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SOAP BOX with Martha Madison & Michael Caruso and Special Guest Michael Fairman Dish Latest Soap Writing Regime Changes & Tony's Geary's Exit!

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Photo Credit: MF Soaps Inc.

On Thursday’s episode of Soap Box on TradioV, host Days of our Lives and Winterthorne star Martha Madison welcomed guest co-host, Winterthorne creator Michael Caruso, and special guest On-Air On-Soaps Michael Fairman to chat on all the latest happenings in the world of daytime soaps.

During the broadcast, the trio discussed the major writing regime change at General Hospital which saw head writer Ron Carlivati being let-go, and being replaced by Shelly Altman and Jean Passanante as the daytime drama’s new co-head scribes.  Plus, the trio touch on how head writer Chuck Pratt Jr. is  giving Y&R some of their best overall total viewer ratings in recent years, and they tease DAYS 50th anniversary story from new head writers Dena Higley and Josh Griffith set to kick-off on-air later this month.

In addition, in one of the most controversial episodes in recent months, Tony Geary’s (Luke Spencer) final General Hospital airshow was bantered about, and how some fans expected one thing and felt disappointed, while Tony and the series delivered another.

Watch Soap Box with Madison, Caruso and Fairman after the jump.  Then let us know what you think about the writing regime changes, Geary’s exit, and more topics that were discussed on this episode!

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Great discussion! I feel the same way about Tony’s interview. I know Michael Logan was really proud of the interview but it was so negative and disrespectful to so many people. It ruined his exit story IMO

I’m just happy that the writers didn’t kill off Luke like Tony Geary wanted them to.

I loved the interview!!
Michael, you are the King, indeed!
I feel your heart in your reporting and love for all the soaps!
{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{{ BIG HUG }}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}}

It was an eyeopener ..

I luv RC and am fearful of the change..
I honestly am not a fan of Jean and Shelly, they are lackluster writers which is obvious from Y&R 2014 ..
Ron just needed a rest and a co-writer to help out with the heavy load ..
(I feel Ron had a hard time with Tony, Tony’s wants and needs, with the writing of Tony’s exit story = stress)

Thanks, Michael!
0oohh and- you gotsa great body! 😉

I’m dying of suspense…and I love it! I love how Martha doesn’t spoil thingsl!! I hope Martha has Thaao Penghlis as a guest on Soapbox because he also knows how to leave people salivating for more info pertaining to DAYS!

Winterthorne is almost here…August 27th!

Yes!!! I also hope Martha has Thaao Penghlis as a guest.

Great interview, Michael. I thought it was very interesting how the Logan interview had such a different tone than any of the other exit interviews. Gee…Wonder why?

I do think that it is wrong to say that “everyone” knows about Tony & Genie’s relationship offscreen. Unless you are big fan and track down BTS info, you’re just a fan of L&L.

The problem with Tony’s exit is that the network once again made the decision to make it about what Tony wanted and not about what the fans wanted.

If anyone would have said, you know what Tony, we’ll let you walk off into the mist and your final scenes can be with Maurice. But you have to have a final scene with Genie it doesn’t have to be sappy, it can just be “thanks for the memories” , and I’m sorry but we’re going to throw in some flashbacks and a montage. Because we have 30 years of show and it was all part of Luke’s journey. And it’s not only about you, it’s about the fans who have been there right along with you.

I, too, listened to the interview–and still find it hard to believe that Tony Geary wielded that much power–that the network would bow to his wishes rather than to the fans who give the network the coveted ratings. Guess they just short-changed the viewers once again–or were simply “asleep at the wheel.”

I agree with you; TG should have paid homage to his fans as his fans paid homage to him all the years he was invested in the character of Lucas Lorenzo Spencer that we came to love. (Don’t know the other “Fluke,” or evil character the embittered actor became. Still so hard to believe that TG had, was given, or simply took that much power. Can’t imagine how very hard it must have been on the other (professional) actors working along side him. Talk about stress!

Not everybody is a Luke and Laura fan..
The ones who were not watching during the Luke and Laura era, could care less .
So, not all the fans were upset..
A great number didn’t care lol

It is what it is .. look at the good and put the bad behind ..
(its done and over 🙂 A new day tomorrow..

MC – If the Powers that be had told Tony they were throw in some flashbacks and a montage he would not have cooperated. Tony might have had Luke say goodbye to friends and family on the phone. He had an incredible amount of power on that show.

So hard to believe that TPTB gave away so much power–to the detriment of the show and to low ratings which are endangering the show’s very existence, isn’t it?

Mc, you are right on about how the network should of handle TG exit, it’s hard to swallow the crap they gave us as an ending. Let’s hope they’ve learned from this, although I doubt it.

Not one of you know for a fact how much writing power Tony had or how much input he had with his exit..
Of course they listen and agree or disagree with him and of course they give leeway after all Tony gave half his life to GH and is a GH legend..

Tony’s exit story has given him his 8th emmy..
I do believe for the black n with 52nd, he will receive his 9th emmy..

hopefully people will someday will also see the good of his exit 🙂
there were many great moments..
Tony and JJ were phenomenal as were bobby and Luke, there were many great heartfelt moments, we felt them and cried…

I have spoken at great length about this subject and no one needs to hear me blabber on anymore.
However, I do have to completely concur with Nancy. Ultimately the producer and head writer hold the power over the actor–or they should. Even if Tony said he did not want a goodbye scene with Laura which paid fidelity to their history while achieving some kind of soapy closure, they should have listened to the fans and given us what we wanted. I did not want Luke and Laura to run off into the sunset together but I did want a graceful bow of farewell.

I enjoyed the “behind the scenes” insights about soaps as Michael discussed with Martha and her guest host. I also appreciate Michael’s comments about being careful about making comments on social media and sites such as this one, taking into consideration the feelings of the actors. That is definitely something to keep in mind.

Having said that, I would also like to offer a little food for thought from the perspective of someone “beyond the fourth wall”. I agree that actors are human and have feelings. They are people who do their jobs and feed their families, etc. as others do in other professions and walks of life. I also am aware that the actors are rarely the ones who write and produce tv shows, including soaps. So the point is well taken that we should be careful when making comments on social media regarding actors. I agree.

However, the writers and producers of tv shows (and network execs) are the ones responsible for putting out the CONTENT of shows. They often do so without regard for the people behind the fourth wall. Before the coming of social media, it was difficult to near impossible for viewers to send timely feedback to the powers the be behind tv shows. Social media has changed all of that.

A year or two ago, one of my followers on Twitter criticized me for making comments that he did not like regarding a plot on my favorite soap opera. (I was not criticizing the acting, just the plot.) I told him my comments were a mild version of what went on in beauty salons I went to as a child. The ladies in the salon had a field day voicing their negative reactions to soap plots. By comparison, their criticism would make mine seem VERY mild. My point is, that the criticism of tv shows that is being expressed now days via social media has always been. Television execs just did not have access to it. So it seems shocking and new….But “there is nothing new under the sun”.

People do not always enjoy what television executives want to put on the air. After being subjected to objectionable material for so long, viewers are taking advantage of the “new voice” that they have through social media. This may be a rude awakening for some in the entertainment industry, especially if they are used to receiving “adoration” from fans. It must be quite sobering and even quite painful to learn that viewers do not think what they do is “all that”. Nevertheless, welcome to the reality that has always existed beyond the fourth wall!

Thank goodness, Tony is no longer with GH.. His exit was boring and Ff throughhis scenes. Good Riddance!!!

Tony will come back for a few weeks now that the hated Ron Carlivati has been fired.

when that happes, im tuning out!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Ron was not ”hated”
I luved Ron, Michael liked Ron, my friends etc..
Tony does not hate Ron..
Why you saying people hate Ron.. he has more fans than not.
hate is very strong word, a destructive dark emotion..

Suoo, I think Kelly was being tongue in cheek.

Loved it also that the actress from Days said she thought TG could have put aside his differences with Genie and should have given the fans what they wanted. She knows the power of fans! Good for her!

What were TG’s differences with Genie? I thought the two of them got along and were friends.

I don’t know–but the speculation on the radio show was that TG did not want a parting scene with Genie nor did he want any “retrospective” scenes to be shown when he left as they often do with other actors’ leaving. I guess that’s why Lulu handed a letter to Genie addressed “Angel” on the day TG left. That must have really hurt Genie. Still, in her video “goodbye” she thanked TG and said, “I love you.” That’s class–and it seemed heartfelt.
And remember the interview where Genie said (when they asked her to return for a “last adventure” before Geary’s departure, she asked, “Are you sure Tony wants me there?” That indicates some sort of “bad blood” between the two. And TG said in a later interview (as did Genie when also asked) that there are bound to be disagreements (he likened it to other pairings like Fred Estaire and Gingers) when a couple works together for 37 years. But, to Genie’s credit, she came on and did her work as a professional, as she has always done, though TG would hardly look at her, touch her, or even give her anything to work off dramatically in their scenes together. It was certainly a marked diffference and coldness as opposed to the way they communicated in earlier years–and evoked so much chemistry. Don’t know what happened–but TG has been very vocal in excluding her from any conversations he has had about his work. Instead, he talks about Jane Elliot being “his great acting partner.” (SAY WHAT??!!) There is also a somewhat conciliatory later interview where TG said of Genie: “Those blue eyes! That porcelain skin! She gave me love. She made me feel like I was someone worthy. I gave her danger. Those were the gifts we gave to each other.” What to make of it, I don’t know. Tony Geary has been all over the place in these so called “exit” interviews (Michael Fairman commented on the contradictions). And one day after saying he was gone for good, TG gave the interview where he said he might come back for “six-week” stints if the story was good enough or had a twist. Geary comes off as angry, petulant, and unprofessional in a lot of his comments–and, as I said, downright hurtful remarks directed at Genie specifically. Maybe he does need a lot of rest and a lot of introspection.

I found it very interesting indeed that Michael Fairman was also disappointed in TG’s last day. And I could sense the personal hurt that Michael felt especially since he had been a supporter and champion of TG all these years.

hi Nancy..
Just because one didn’t like Tony’s last day doesn’t mean all the great accomplishments of Tony is put aside..
Tony is a legend, and him having a not so good last day, eh that’s just show business LOL ..
It is said by a great many that the 52nd black & white episode is indeed iconic.. and noted by reporters as one of the greatest episodes of all time…

It was not all perfect but a good deal of the last 3 weeks were notably phenomenal and awesome 🙂 ..

And, suOOO, I say NOT! to the idea that the 52nd anniversary epi being “one of the greatest episodes of all time.” That, in my opinion–and I’m entitled to it because I have been watching since the inception and development of the character of Lucas Lorenzo Spencer–was the one episode that did the most damage to the show. I’ve said it before and I’ll say it again: that episode totally violated the character of Luke Spencer and made him and the whole Spencer family VICTOMS. I’ll say again: no one wants to watch a VICTIM–and, I should think, no one wants to play a VICTIM. There’s no percentage in it for either the actor nor the viewer. One does not want to BE a victim nor does one want to identify vicariously with a victim. For many years this viewer watched a person (LUKE) rise above his past and his insecurities and become a victor over them, all the while gaining love and insight into himself–all this with humor and grace and the most fun a character ever had. Then the 52nd anniv. show–and all that went down the tube (literally) in one fell swoop.
Tony may be a legend to some; to this viewer he is a very tarnished one.

And the word is VICTIM (sorry for the typo) always and forever, thanks to TG and RC and TPTB. And did you notice, suOOO, as many commentators have also noted, that the steam just went out of TG and out of the character of Luke Spencer after that so-called “greatest” epi? He never recovered and the joie de vivre went out of the character and that’s what I always loved about TG’s depiction of Lucas Lorenzo Spencer (the name ever reflects that!) Too bad, Tony; such a miscalculation on your part. So you went out, in the words of the poet, not with a “bang” but with a “whimper.” That is not the Luke Spencer I loved!

PS Say what??!! I just viewed the letter on line that Lulu gave to Laura from Luke. Looking closely (and I did) it looks like “Angel” is spelled “Angle.” Take a look for yourself–it’s posted on Genie Francis’ twitter account by GH fan or some such.
Is this someone’s sick joke–or just an honest mistake????
You decide!

Yes, other than L&L’s wedding, black and white #52 was Luke’s finest work EVER!

I agree, Nancy. What could have been, what should have been and would might have been is very vexing. What a missed opportunity.
I wonder what that letter said?
Dear Angel:
Have you met Nina, Franco, Madeline, Ava, Denise and Morgan? Cause, they’re just AWESOME!

Nancy got back picked up your book very good and just so you will know my brother in law sits on one of the boards of ABC they are toast unless numbers come way up!

I am not try to be vengeful but the number crunchers are out! Take care

Thanks so much, k/kay! Glad you liked it!
Thanks also for sharing the info about your brother-in-law sitting on an ABC board. I am afraid that GH WILL be cancelled. And it’s so frustrating because as I’ve said often, it didn’t have to be that way. TPTB could have remained true to the Luke character and the Luke and Laura story and the numbers would have soared. We longtime fans have held on so very long with so many hopes only to have them dashed.

I found this interview with Michael very enlightening. Since I only read MF for my soap news realized concerns and questions about GH, Tony/ Laura, Tony, RC firing/or not to fire, new/not so new writers, how ABC daytime has missed the fan mark in big ways over the years, were shared by a lot of others outside this column’s universe.

Was already looking forward to Winterthorne, but I’ve never watched Days. I really liked Martha Madison and have always liked Cassie. So will have to do a bit of catch-up and tune in.

But my main focus is in preserving the integrity of what is GH as the lives and generations in Port Charles move on in this fairly volatile transition period. So much as changed on the tv and viewing landscape, it’s just hard to envision afternoons without GH. Bad enough without OLTL and AMC.

And like most of us have commented…just continue to have good storytelling. It never ages, even when we are in space looking back at Earth.

And…hope maybe ABC, CBS and NBC will invest in soap-writing apprenticeships so we can always have new writers with a firm knowledge of the legacies they are writing for learning the craft of this type of storytelling. Or in baseball terms a…farm team and bullpen system.

Also appreciated Michaels remarks about some opinions. Yes everyone has a right to express their opinions, but sometimes they can get a little nasty and personal towards each other, a character, or actor. Mostly on MF we’re all better than that, with an occasional bad hair day comment. But sometimes when someone rationalizes their remark by saying “it’s about the character, not the actor,” how do you think the actor who is trying to do a professional job with a script given to them feels? And apparently this kind of stuff can show up on other social media like twitter.

There’s enough of it in politics…keep it out of our soaps.

hi Rose-
Some people are just everyday nasty and unpleasant..
They usually are the ones who flood the internet with their own unhappiness by raggin on whatever’s with negative hate stuff, it makes them feel better to complain and rant. (perhaps their therapy lol) LOL 🙂

A negative comment is different than a hate everything venting rant 😉

and- it the fans with their bad attitudes dropping their hate for GH on social media that will assuredly help a soap get canceled.. /fact ..

No Suoo, negative attention is still attention and will not get our soaps canceled. What helps soaps get canceled aside from the Network suits trying to number crunch is collective viewer apathy which causes them to tune out and which causes ratings to plummet.

Really interesting show. I enjoyed all the insights and “food for thought” all three provided. I was happy to hear people I respect and with inside the industry knowledge reiterate that Ron (and Frank) saved GH from cancellation. So many comments on this board have tried to discredit them, so it was nice to have people in the know publicly acknowledge Ron’s (and Frank’s) contribution to GH.

I was never a big fan of TG, was happy for him when he won Emmys only because it was a boast for GH, but he never blew me away with his acting ~ most of the time. I will say that the 52 Anniversary episode acting was an exception. That’s just me. Different strokes for different folks. What TG controlled and what others controlled, we may never know. His last day was a let down. Some of the previous days’ good-byes were touching, not all. IMHO, GH won’t suffer without him. I got used to his yearly months-long vacations from the screen and will think of this as just an extended time away.

Martha, Michael F. and Michael C. were spot on on so many of their assessments; I loved it. Thanks for sharing!

ExcelIent interview with you guys. Good Job. I love GH and started watching when AMC and OLTL were cancelled, as I followed John, Starr and Todd. It will be heartbreaking if GH is cancelled too. The negative comments are dismaying and this interview may help the naysayer viewers realize the harsh criticism impacts GH’s future. Very unhappy Ron C is gone. Here’s hoping the new writer’s succeed.

Really great interview. Thanks, Michael.

I think ABC wants an excuse to cancel GH. t he ratings are down. Why are they down , because TIIC keep trying to destroy it. Too many cooks spoil the broth. They seem to be getting their wish . I will NOT watch the mob take over again. The interview we know Michael F tried, like Tony didn’t to be politically correct. Say the right things. MM knows where her bread is buttered. Fans make the show. Now I wouldn’t cross the street to give TG a glass of water if he was dieing of thirst. He made himself look like an ass. If fans had come back it was because they were L&L fans first. Dark evil Luke who cares. They even went so far as to have JJ and Luke talk and have Luke say he was happiest when he was raising Lucky with Laura ,sorry didn’t buy it. LAURA wasn’t even in the room. This ending was just as bad as the fluke BS . Tony wanted to destroy L&L he did . would I like to ever see him return ,NO Is it his fault yes. He browbeat tiic into giving them his way, and it blew up in his face Was anyone happy ? off into the mist? Only Tony. Now TIIC are making Laura evil keeping secrets. ? M Logan telling the truth was not anything but the truth. Tony may thing he is Guilguld SP but its all in his deluded mind. He was a soap actor ,now hes not. Its not looked down on by the fans to do soaps .We go to movies watch prime time and support them. .he hurt Genie it was written all over her face .WTH does he think he is ? He is willing to maybe return, don’t bother I know I wouldn’t watch if he did.

I enjoyed this interview. Thanks Michael. You were humble, respectful, grateful, honest, insightful and fair.

I liked when the commentators said on the show if Tony wanted it all his way then he should have rented a theater, paid out the money, written the script, paid the actors, directed it etc. I Gould this video clip from 1982 in December when Tony did do that. It was a musical revue and he traveled to several parts of the country to perform. I’m posting a link to the clip with interview. http://youtu.be/f7EcgiLRDI8

Well, after having watched the entire interview, I come away with one overriding thought: I have much more respect and admiration for Michael Fairman. I appreciated his honesty and frankness, mainly with regard to Tony Geary’s comments and attitudes, which many of us as fans found to be deplorable.

Secondly, although I enjoyed the interviewers, the first part of their banter included much profanity. I’m not a fan of profanity. It diminishes a person…

Days Of Our Lives

Days of our Lives wins WGA Award for Daytime Drama Series

Sunday night, April 14th in concurrent ceremonies in Los Angeles and New York City, the Writers Guild of America is handing out their 76th annual WGA Awards in the fields of motion picture, television, news media, and radio/audio.

In the Daytime Drama category, Peacock’s Days of our Lives was the winner, taking home its fourth WGA Award in this category in a row.

The DAYS winning writing team consisted of Head Writer Ron Carlivati Creative Consultant Ryan Quan and Writers Sonja Alar, Jazmen Darnell Brown, Joanna Cohen, Carolyn Culliton, Richard Culliton, Cheryl Davis, Kirk Doering, Christopher Dunn, Jamey Giddens, David Kreizman, Henry Newman, Dave Ryan, and Katherine D. Schock.

Photo: JPI

The team from Days of our Lives bested the only other team in the category from General Hospital, which consisted of former GH head writers: Dan O’Connor, Chris Van Etten Writers Ashley Cook, Emily Culliton, Suzanne Flynn, Charlotte Gibson, Lucky Gold, Kate Hall, Elizabeth Korte, Shannon Peace, Stacey Pulwer, Dave Rupel, Lisa Seidman, and Scott Sickles.

Courtesy/Peacock

As previously reported, a show spokesperson for Days of our Lives shared that the episodes submitted for the competition were #14663, #14678 & #14679, and mostly centered around the death, and the funeral of Victor Kiriakis played by the late John Aniston.

This week, DAYS head scribe, Ron Carlivati, confirmed that, and told Michael Fairman TV on the decision of the scripts the team submitted: “I like to have some humor, but it was also the funeral, and then there was Sarah (Linsey Godfrey) giving birth, and then Vivian’s (Louise Sorel) crashing the reading of the will.”

You can follow along with the live updated list of all the winners from tonight’s WGA ceremonies here.

Michael Fairman TV will have more on DAYS WGA Award win as it becomes available.

So, what do you think of Days of our Lives winning the WGA Award writing award for a Daytime Drama series for the fourth year in a row? Comment below.

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Matthew Ashford and Melissa Reeves Talk Return to DAYS for Doug’s Funeral, Susan Seaforth Hayes, and Their Enduring Friendship

Last week, Days of our Lives celebrated the taping of their 15,000th episode which is tentatively scheduled to air on December 3rd. The story will feature emotional and heart-tugging scenes of Doug Williams funeral and honor his portrayer, the beloved Bill Hayes, who passed away on January 12th at the age of 98.

While the actors, producers, and crew took a lunch time break to pose for some pictures and speak with the press, they knew they would have to get back to taping the funeral, which was going to make it a tough day, but also cathartic for all who loved Bill Hayes.

Several returns have thus far been announced including; Melissa Reeves reprising her signature role of Jennifer Horton (a part she first played in 1985), and Matthew Ashford as Jack Deveraux. Reeves had last appeared on the show back in 2021, and she was replaced by Emmy-winner Cady McClain in her absence when Jennifer was in storylines. In real-life, Melissa had moved full-time to Tennessee along with her husband, Scott Reeves (ex-DAYS, GH, Y&R). Now, and as previously reported, Reeves will first appear back on DAYS for the Thanksgiving episodes with the Hortons.

Photo: JPI

Michael Fairman TV caught up with Matt and Melissa during the 15,000th episode celebration to get their take on: being back for these special episodes, how it has been working with and watching Susan Seaforth Hayes portray Julie’s grief over losing Doug, and how they have supported each other through the years. Check out what they shared below.

Melissa, you are back on the set of Days of our Lives for this very emotional and special moment in the series history. How does it feel?

MELISSA: Oh, my goodness. I am honored. I wouldn’t want to be anywhere else but to be here for Bill. He was like my real-life dance partner. He taught me how to ballroom dance. And to be here for Susan, of course, who’s just been our sweet hero this whole week. We’re just following her lead. She’s just been this incredibly strong example for us in the midst of this trial and season of her life. She is like just lifting us all up with her. It’s been incredible.

I was at Bill Hayes memorial service which was truly incredible and I know at the time you were in Tennessee. It was moving and celebratory of his life, all at the same time.

MELISSA: That’s all I have heard. I have to watch it on You Tube. They said it was just a real celebration of his life and I love that.

Photo: JPI

This must be difficult for Susan Seaforth Hayes depicting the death of Doug, when she is still grieving the loss of her beloved husband. (Susan pictured above with the returning Stephen Schnetzer who plays her on-screen brother, Steve Olson).

MELISSA: I’m sure Susan has those moments at home by herself, but she’s so good at being a leader and leading all of us. We’re following her, you know, and she’s like, “This is how I want to feel today.” And we’re just going along with her, you know? It’s so sweet.

Photo: JPI

How is it to see Matt Ashford again live and in-person?

MELISSA: You know, Matt and I can go years without talking, or seeing each other, and then the minute we see each other we’re chatting away.

MATT: Melissa was out on set doing a scene yesterday on the phone talking to a stage manager; as she was telling some really tough news on the phone. I’m like crying in the background, literally, I’m off-stage crying.

MELISSA: And then we get like back into normal life, and we’re like, okay, “What’s happening? What’s happening with this … or what’s happening with that?”

I had read, Melissa, that you were in touch with Matt about if there night be a possibility for you to reprise your role as Jennifer for these special episodes?

MELISSA: Yes. Well, Matt was like, “Hey! Would you want to come back? “And I was like, “Matt, you know, I would always come back. ”

MATT:  Every time I come here to Days of our Lives, they ask, “Where’s Missy? How’s Missy?” Everybody backstage says, “I miss her.” All of the crew is asking about her and saying, “It would be nice to see Missy. Nothing wrong with you Matt, but …”  They said, “Where is she?” I said, “She wants to come!”

Photo: JPI

There are some beautiful photos of Missy and Bill and Susan thorough the years that I found. It just reminded me of just the deep and entrenched history we all have had with the show, personally and professionally.

MATT: Missy is roughly the age where Francis Reid (ex-Alice Horton) was when she started the show, which is just crazy.

Photo: JPI

I’ve always said Missy was going to be the next generation Alice. Do you feel that Jennifer is the heir apparent matriarch of the Horton family?

MELISSA: Yes. I mean, this has been greatest blessing of my life, and that would be great. I told Ken Corday (executive producer, Days of our Lives) when I was 17 that this show would be my life. Ken always told me, “This is your home,” and I’ve always felt like that.

How have gotten through the scenes watching Susan Seaforth Hayes as Julie go through the loss of Doug?

MATT: Susan is bringing her best performance life for her and Bill. I mean, she’s a showbiz baby. She always has been one hundred percent, and she’s doing it for him, and this is who they’ve always been. So, you’re seeing this amazing performance colored by her life. She has her private life as Susan, but she has enough plugged into Julie that she’s done amazing work. The director, producers and writers are giving her room to live in these moments and it’s quite wonderful.

Photo: JPI

Have you already broken down in tears during the taping?

MELISSA: Yesterday, but today’s taping of the actual funeral I think they want us to try and be just more celebratory.

MATT: I mean, it is a beautiful long life for Bill Hayes and his character of Doug Williams, and so it will be about that. Then, you get a bunch of us together in the church pews, and there’s going to be hijinks.

MELISSA: We all have been through the waves of grief. You have that awful cry and then all of a sudden you feel okay.  There are those family situations we are portraying where you’re like, “What do we do? What do we do now? You know, no one knows what to do. But, it’s so sweet. I’m looking forward to seeing how the scenes all turn out.

So, are you glad that Matt and Melissa are back for the 15K episode and Doug’s funeral? From what we can tell, it’s going to be quite an emotional journey for Days of our Lives fans, and especially the performance of Susan Seaforth Hayes, 

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Ron Carlivati Talks on Decision to Make Days of our Lives 15000th Episode About Doug’s Funeral, and Previews Chances for WGA Award

This week, Days of our Lives celebrated the taping of their 15,000th episode. In of it itself, that is an incredible accomplishment for the long-running soap opera currently streaming on Peacock.

However, this on set gathering was a bit different. Though the show is celebrating their achievement, they are also in the middle of taping scenes surrounding the death and the funeral of Doug Williams, played by the late Bill Hayes, who passed away on January 12th of this year at the age of 98.

As previously revealed many longtime favorites are back to honor Bill and the character of Doug including: Gloria Loring (Liz), Melissa Reeves (Jennifer), Matthew Ashford (Jack), Maree Cheatham (Marie), Victoria Konefal (Ciara) and Stephen Schnetzer (Steve) to name but a few.

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Michael Fairman TV was in attendance and spoke with Days of our Lives head writer, Ron Carlivati to gain some insight into how the 15,000 episode was crafted and the decision to honor the character of Doug Williams and Bill Hayes as its epicenter. In addition, Ron weighed-in on this Sunday’s April 14th WGA (Writers Guild of America) Awards, where he and his writing team are facing off with General Hospital for the daytime drama prize. Here’s what Ron shared below.

Was this your idea to make the 15,000th episode centered around Doug’s funeral and passing?

RON: It was. When you’re looking at it, and laying out the calendar for the whole year and you see 15,000 is coming up, we’re like, “What are we going to do?” And then, we got the news that Bill had passed away and something kind of clicked. I was like, “We should honor Doug on that show.” So then, we started to kind of build around that … when does he pass away? How does he pass away? Who could come back? You know, it’s a lot.  I’m very pleased with the returns that we got as there’s so much that you could do. We wanted everybody we could get. So, we put together a wish list and Janet Drucker (co-executive producer, Days of our Lives) made it happen.

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You have Melissa Reeves back as Jennifer, when the role was last played by Cady McClain. What has it meant to have Missy back for these shows?

RON: It was so nice to see Missy Reeves. I think Cady has done such a good job, but on the 15,000th episode to see Missy as Jennifer, it’s a big deal. So having her was great, and overall, the milestone was a big undertaking, because you want to live up to it. You want the 15,000th episode to be good. Now, it has a lot of real emotion that you’re playing. because for the cast and the crew they’re honoring Bill Hayes just as much as we’re honoring Doug Williams.

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Was it hard for you and the team to write this episode?

RON: Yes. I’ll tell you why it was hard to write.  When I wrote, for example, Asa’s (Phillip Carey) death on One Life to Live or Victor’s (John Aniston) on DAYS, Asa is a different type of character. Like, you could have characters going, “Oh! I’m glad he is dead.” You could have different points of view, but with Doug, you’re not having that. Every person loves this man. No one had a bad relationship with him. So, you’re challenge as a writer is how do you make it that not everybody’s saying the same thing and doing the same thing. And so, we tried to find ways to make the episode about all the familial relationships and yet, how do you make it about Doug and yet broaden the scope.

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I had spoken to Susan Seaforth Hayes (Julie), a week after Bill’s memorial, for an interview. She said that she felt very fortunate that you did include her on discussions of how you would tackle Doug’s passing. How did that conversation go?

RON: First, I attended Bill’s funeral, which was incredible. I said to so many people it was an emotional service, but it was hard to be sad at this. The guy had an incredible life and it was an incredible celebration. And so, you’re sitting there watching this knowing that you now have to write something similar. And how do you write something that lives up to what you just witnessed? I wanted to talk to Susan to get her thoughts about, you know, how much do you want this to be about keeping Bill separate from Doug. How comfortable are you sharing your grief. She was incredible to talk to. It was a great chat.

You’re in the middle of taping these major scenes for the 15,000 episode to air in December. How do you think it’s going? Have you seen any of the scenes?

RON:  I haven’t seeing anything. I mean, we were still making changes to the script up till this morning!

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The Writers Guild Awards are this Sunday, April 14th and once again this year there are two daytime drama nominees, General Hospital and Days of our Lives. How are you feeling about your chances this year?

RON: It is often just GH and us in the category. I’ve won three years in a row, so I’m kind of feeling like it’s their turn.

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What episodes did you submit for contention? If I recall, they had to do with Victor’s memorial.

RON: The episodes we submitted were centered around Victor’s funeral. I think one has story with Vivian (Louise Sorel). We had some fun stuff, we had some emotional stuff at Victor’s death, and I am pretty sure that our submission was three episodes right around that time.

Did you make the decision to go with those episodes because there was a mix of humor and drama?

RON: I like to have some humor, but it was also the funeral, then there’s Sarah (Linsey Godfrey) giving birth, and then Vivian’s crashing the reading of the will. So, we had a lot of fun and it’s hard sometimes to pick three that tell a story, as opposed to submitting for the Daytime Emmys, where the writing team only submits two shows. So, we shall see how it goes on Sunday.

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So, are you looking forward to the emotional 15,000th episode of Days of our Lives? Do you think DAYS will take home the WGA writing award for daytime dramas for the 4th year in a row? Comment below.

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