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The Katherine Kelly Lang and Adam Gregory Interview – The Bold and the Beautiful

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The Bold and the Beautiful once again proved that the BOLD in their official title is just that! And who else would get mixed up in all this trouble, but Brooke Forrester. And this time it’s a doozy.  Here we go: Brooke and her stepson, Thomas, who have had this very “taboo” chemistry playing out on air, head to Australia together for work when suddenly their plane crashed.  Now the duo washed up at sea is dehydrated and starving in a life or death situation, while their loved ones race to find them.

Next, Brooke comes across some polka-dotted berries and eats one, and then encourages Thomas to eat one, too.  Well, after downing a bunch of these delicious and seductive berries the two go on soap’s first fantastical acid trip, or ecstasy trip… take your pick.  Whatever the case, B&B created via special CGI effects an incredible hallucinogenic journey for the duo to play in.  And in the end the question remains, did Thomas and Brooke have sex, or not?

On-Air On-Soaps tries to get to the bottom of this, in this very special and revealing interview with Katherine Kelly Lang (Brooke) and Adam Gregory (Thomas).  After reading this, let us know what you think happened during their berry-induced island adventure.   Here’s our chat with the gorgeous Katherine, and the handsome Adam.

MICHAEL:

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Wow Katherine!  Brad Bell (executive producer and head writer) is certainly finding ways to get Brooke in steamy situations with the younger men of B&B!  Now there is this drug-induced possible sex romp with her stepson, Thomas.  But before that there was the infamous “Party Boink” with Oliver, when Brooke mistook him for Ridge.  During our interview about that storyline, you had mentioned you thought it would have been better if Brooke were perhaps in an altered state in that situation.  Now with this new story, she was!  Do you think that had any bearing on how this new story angle played out?

KATHERINE:

I don’t know at all, but I do remember talking to Brad Bell going, “Wouldn’t it be better if Brooke was a little drunk or tipsy?” And then he said, “No. That wouldn’t be good, because then Brooke would be doing two things wrong.” (Laughs)  She would be with Oliver and also drunk.  So he did not want to do that.  But when this story came about, maybe he liked where it was going, or that original suggestion.

ADAM:

When Brooke ate these berries, it was not like she intentionally took drugs or drank. When I came on the show I was doing some research, because I did not know what role I had yet.  So I am watching the show frantically trying to figure where I would even fit into this place.  And that was happening when I first got here, between Oliver and Brooke.  So I do know the back-story of that.  She was with a younger man, accidently.

MICHAEL:

How did the two of you find out that Brooke and Thomas were going to ingest some fictional hallucinogenic berries that will end up causing long-term controversy?

ADAM:

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I got a text from Ed Scott, our producer, going, “Heads up!  This might be happening.” And I remember having the talk with Brad, and he explained everything.  Then Cindy Popp, who directed us in the episodes, pulled me in her office and said, “Ok.  So here is what is happening.” And it got toned down actually.  I think that worked out better with everything being more of a mystery, and we really don’t even know what happened.

MICHAEL:

Watching the sequences play out on-air, I had to watch it back a couple of times. I’m trying to figure out the symbolism: does the finger touching and the flowers adorning your bodies, represent sex between the two?

KATHERINE:

Well, we are still trying to figure it out, and there were a lot of changes being made through the process.  Brad kept changing different things and in different ways – to the point where we still don’t know what is happening.  It is a very secretive thing!

ADAM:

We are playing that we don’t even know if we had sex, because the characters did blackout.  And Katherine, you are always playing Brooke at this point as, “I don’t know if I did something wrong!”

KATHERINE:

Yes, but we tried to do it childlike and playful during the hallucination scenes. We knew there was some connection going on, but it was the “Berry Connection.”  (All that psychedelic energy coming at us, and what have you.)  It is more about what happened when we blacked out.  Again, Thomas and Brooke are thinking something more happened, but it could have just been a drugged-out black out!

ADAM:

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And Brooke just wants to tell Ridge, because they have this pact in their marriage to be completely honest with one another.  So she feels she has no choice but to tell him, but Thomas is not letting her!

MICHAEL:

Adam, I just wanted to give you some kudos.  I thought you did a really nice job in the scenes where Thomas and Brooke address and see their entire extended families for the first time, and attempt to recount what happened to them from the plane crash to landing on the deserted island.  Of course, omitting their ecstasy-trip via the berries! (Laughs)

KATHERINE:

Adam had been wonderful to work with and has been really good lately.  Aren’t you a bit of a method actor, like with your leg being injured from the plane crash and the island?

ADAM:

I noticed it looked fake when I walked in the scenes, so I wanted someone to punch me!

KATHERINE:

He really gets into the moment, and as a sort of newcomer, we all can be like, “Is he going to be able to pull this off?”  (Laughs)  And he did.  You did a great job!  And there was a point where I remember thinking, “Oh my gosh. He is doing so great.  I have got to up my game now!” (Laughs)  I did not want him to show me up. (Laughs)

MICHAEL:

Adam, is it still hard being the newbie in a cast with such long-standing cast members?  Or, do you feel you have settled in more at this point?

ADAM:

As far as the cast, not at all. Everyone here is so nice, and it has been a very nice fit for me.  As far as being in the soap world, that is very different.  When you work as a cast you are working to build your show.  But when you are building your show in the soap world, there is also that built-in competition with Y&R, DAYS, and GH.  So, I look at other guys my age from other shows and see how they are doing it.

MICHAEL:

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And, are you checking in to see if you have had more shirtless scenes than those dudes?

ADAM:

(Laughs) I guess I might have to, to stay one step ahead of my competition.

KATHERINE:

It comes down to being a good person. We all really respect each other here.  We work really hard and we have each other’s backs.  I think our show is a little more special than the other shows because of that, from the stories I have heard.  But that helps, and then you can sort of branch out and build however you want to portray yourself out there to the world.

MICHAEL:

Tell us about the CGI special effects, which were outstanding.  How did you act with them or around them?  I am assuming you were in front of a Green Screen on the set at B&B?

KATHERINE:

They explained exactly what we had to see, such as: when we walked into this huge room and saw the cave and how it opened up into a huge waterfall.  They said, “Look. It goes way up into the sky.”  So we had to kind of look and go, “Oh,” and they explained what the energy between us would look like, and how we would need to play that.  They said here is where the poppies will grow out of the wall and so we would go, “Ooh-wee,” and giggle and carry on.

ADAM:

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I remember getting into the whole CGI thing, and the first thing we had to do was look at the rainbow.  They go, “You see the rainbow?”  And I go, “Alright.  Let me get into this.  I have got to wrap my head around this.” (Laughs)

MICHAEL:

Did the two of you laugh a lot, though?  I can only imagine!  I know you had to play giddy and drugged, anyway.   But, there had to be a moment where the two of you were like, “What are we doing?”

KATHERINE:

We were so tired and punch-drunk by the end of the day from smiling so much.  My smile muscles in my face and my stomach muscles were so worn out.  When I went home I thought, “Oh my God, I hurt all over.”  And this was just from laughing.  Viewers saw just bit of it on-air, but we had to laugh and giggle, and do that whole thing all day long.

ADAM:

It was exhausting!  And after a certain point, Kelly is Miss Giggles.  You don’t even have to get her going, she just laughs. (Laughs)

MICHAEL:

OK.  Let’s get to this.  Do you admit there is a ton of sexual chemistry going on between Thomas and Brooke?

KATHERINE:

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I think everyone is out of their minds! (Laughs)  But Brooke loves him as her stepson, who she raised.  Of course, there is a natural bond there.  What are you looking at, Adam? (Laughs)

MICHAEL:

Katherine, let’s take this one step further.  Could you ever see the ultimate soap opera portrayal, that Brooke would leave Ridge for his son, Thomas?

KATHERINE:

No.  Are you serious?  I think the age difference is huge.

MICHAEL:

You never know on B&B, these days! They do a great job at pushing the envelope.

ADAM:

Well there is an older woman/younger man coupling on this show with Jackie and Owen, and there is even a bigger age difference between Owen and Thomas.  I am much younger, and I think sometimes my age is confusing on the show.  I don’t even know sometimes what age Thomas is supposed to be.  But I do know that he is at least over 21. I am only 23 in real life, so I try to keep him around my own age.  I feel that leaves a lot of room for Brad to play with, like bringing Thomas’s friends from college on to the show for instance, because right now, Thomas has no friends! (Laughs)

MICHAEL:

Adam, what does Thomas feel towards Brooke?

ADAM:

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I have always played it that Thomas has this deep appreciation for Brooke and everything she had done for Thomas with the Taboo line, and getting him started at Forrester Creations.  He was kind of a nobody and a schmuck in the company for a while, and no one took him seriously until he started this whole campaign.  And if it wasn’t for Brooke jumping on the bandwagon with him, nothing would have happened.  Thomas would not have been this overnight sensation with Forrester Creations, and on his way to the CEO chair without Brooke.

MICHAEL:

Thomas has been manipulating Brooke, too!

ADAM:

That is true… I am that good.

KATHERINE:

What?  I did not know this.

ADAM:

Yes! In my character’s eye, I am being very ambitious and taking advantage of your sweetness. And she is my step-mom, and so that is my business ambition coming out, and it is bad!

MICHAEL:

Can you see Thomas showing a softer or more vulnerable side to him after this whole plane crash incident?  Perhaps he has taken a harder look at his life and the direction he had taken it.

ADAM:

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Absolutely not!  Thomas is going to go through a dash of depression, but other than that, I am making him really stone cold.

MICHAEL:

I thought it was very clever that Brooke and Thomas were heading to Australia when the plane went down, and that there could be some really fun berries on some neighboring island down under.

KATHERINE:

Isn’t that hysterical?  They were going to Australia to launch a new line for women, and then the plane went down!

MICHAEL:

In my speculating, I am worried that Brooke will become pregnant…again!   And that will finally be the plot point that will reveal that during their drug-induced berry party, Brooke and Adam did indeed have sex.

ADAM:

Every time I speak over the boom, (I try not to anymore) I end up speculating on storyline, that is how Dayzee and I happened.  During the Christmas episode, Kristolyn Lloyd (Dayzee) and I were sitting on set, and we were talking to Texas Battle (Marcus).  He was telling us that he was sure that Dayzee was for him in his new storyline, and I said, “I am telling you, she is for Thomas.”  And look what happened!

KATHERINE:

I know!  It is true that in between scenes we all talk while the booms are open.  And you are talking about possible story, and going, “Ooh, wouldn’t this be fun,” and then you see it in the script!

ADAM:

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Or, maybe that is what they think the actors are expecting!  So they say, “Let’s go the opposite way.”  And then they throw you for a loop.

MICHAEL:

Coming up, what can we look forward to coming up with Thomas and Brooke in the next month… dealing with the aftermath from the crash with their loved ones, families, and each other?

KATHERINE:

It’s more of them questioning for a while, and they are just going crazy thinking about if something happened between the two characters.  And, we are addressing and playing out all the emotions that come with that.

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I didn’t like the berry mess at all. All it will do is cause Taylor and Whip to break up and Stephanie family hating her and Brooke was the one who had Thomas eating the berries but it will be Taylor who eat one that will lose everything as usual. Brooke is a career slut who if she screw Thomas in front of Ridge, he will forgive, even thought when he found out that Taylor screwed James when she thought they were dying, he dump her for the Forrester slut. Him and Brooke deserve each other!

BROOKE HAS A ADDICTED SEX DECEASE. ITS A PHYSICAL FEELINGS SICKNESS. BROOKE ATE BERRIES IN HUNGER AND BY THE TIME THOMAS CAME TO ASK FOOD, SHES ALREADY DRUGED. BETWEEN THOMAS AND HER RELATIONSHIP IA AN INNOCENT, COMPARE TO OTHERS CRICIS.

Come on guys, Brooke is horrified even thinking she slept with her step-son. She loves Ridge and she thinks of Thomas as her son nothing else. I like this interview because I least it answers my questions…Brooke does not have any romantic feelings for her step son. She is a devoted wife and I just hope they have James Warwick come on to help Brooke to hyponitze her and she will see that nothing happen….when they woke up from the deep sleep they had on their clothes and that’s all I needed to see…to me and other’s that watch the show feel nothing happened…We just need Dr. Warwick to come in and show Brooke she did nothing wrong!!!! Brooke is no more of a sex addict than any of the women on the show even Taylor, Jackie, Donna and Katie and Steffy…they are all the same. What Brooke has done Taylor has done…Taylor’s indescretion’s are always swept under the rug…and Brooke’s trouble’s are always out there for people to judge her and hurt her!!!

A devoted wife? Come on! Brooke has done nothing but time & time again making her little “mistakes” and keeping “secrets” from Ridge every chance she gets! And now, she is keeping “BerryGate” a secret from Ridge, a/k/a “Gelding” again. I have always said that Bridge is a toxic mess & they need to implode – once & for all.

I agree with what you said. Your right all the women on that show has done the same.

First I would like to say Great job to all of the cast I love you all!!
As for Katherine LOL I LOVE to LOVE YOU and LOVE to hate you, you are so amazing you cant ever stay out of trouble but then when you cry about it I cant help but to cry with you. To Adam Great Job!! But I hae been watching since Im in kindergarden and Im now 28 and I LOVE LOVE LOVE this show and I LOVE YOU ALL Keep up the Great work!!! Best of Wishes ans Love to you ALL

Wherever this storyline is going, AG and KKL both shine as actors, especially when they’re together. I watch this show primarily for the two of them. They portrayed Thomas and Brooke’s desperation, fear, and hunger, brilliantly. The berry trip was entertaining, but I wish their story hadn’t been turned into another sex scandal. It was so powerful and captivating before the berries struck! TPTB could have DONE Brooke/Thomas from a psychologically complex angle…Thomas reaching for the stars, succeeding in the fashion world with Brooke as his business partner and having every young woman out there, but wanting the one woman he can’t have. It seemed like it was going that way at first. Or Brooke sees the young Ridge in Thomas, without all of the pain and sadness that the real Ridge has caused her. AG and KKL could have made real magic with that kind of material. Maybe there’s still hope! They’re ALWAYS a joy to watch.

Michael,
Another GREAT insight and article. Felt like I was right there in the room with you all. Great questions!
Love the soap, hate the story line! Enough already with Brooke accidentally falling onto another Forrester man (and the whole Taboo thing–blech!) So predictable. Great fun with Oliver but enough is enough!!!! If she gets pregnant I might be done (and I love this show).
Michael, you rock the heck out of these pieces. Keep up the great work! xoox

I don’t think that KKL or the guy who plays Thomas now, can act their way out of a paper bag. And that dress they had Dayzee wearing was beyond tacky. If Brooke would have slap Thomas face at the first tacky fashion show when he kissed her, none of the rest of this stupid storyline would have happen. That’s like when Brooke hiked her skirt like a two bit hooker in the open thinking it was Ridge and it was her daughter’s graduation at her MIL’s house, she brag about how good the sex was to Katie until she realized it was Oliver. Ridge deserve this career slut and for those that are talking about Steffie, she learn how to go after a married man from the best, Brooke Whoregon, watching her go after Ridge when he was married to her Mom.

I agree with your post. Brooke is put out there as this hero, when she has slept through every Forrester male & her daughters’ husbands/boyfriends. She has destroyed the Forrester family, as well as her children and Ridge’s children. The girl needs psychological help to find out why she feels a need to sleep with almost any man on the block

I just have to say that Brooke and Thomas doing the deed is just a shade to incestuous for my liking!! I know soaps are there for great drama but come on!! I refuse to believe that a young man would even feel the slightest desire for his father’s wife!!! What, when their are all these hot young female bodies floating around in his vicinity!!! Plus I keep thinking Brooke must have changed his diapers or cleaned his bottom once in a while while he was growing up!! Should’nt that put a damper on their libido??? But have to say that no mattter who she plays against, young or old she has great chemistry!!!

I agree with you Nellifer. It is one thing if Ridge just met Brooke and they got married and Thomas fell in love with his new step-mom. But it is something completely different when you raise a child and all of a sudden he has romantic feelings for you and you have romantic feelings for him. You wiped his a$$ and his nose for goodness sake. That is just twisted.

I think all the actors are pushed too far ,the show need some stable times to improve the Forester Company and bring the others to the front line like the granchildren ,brothers and sisters. We bairly know anything about them, or where they are. I know they might be side characters, but they deserve some screen time to flesh them out.

I would love to see Throne with a new lover. We can barely recognize who Bridget is.

I can,t belief what everybody says if brooke,but she and thomas hade not sex,taylor can go out serien now and stephanie also,they make brooke and ridge very badly.

I don’t want to hear that Thomas and Brooke ever stepped over the line.come on, how many times will Ridge be able to forgive her/i like Brooke and Ridge together if for nothing else than to keep that miserable Taylor away from Ridge.i’m not liking Taylor much any more, Tawny is a joke, and Steffy is a spoiled brat.I love Oliver, poor Thorne is part of the background,and i don’t want to see Hope end up with Liam.How did she forgive her Mother and not Oliver who she supposedly loved so much! Leave Brooke and Ridge alone , bring back bridget and the baby and lets have some action between Owen, Jackie and bridget.i like KKL so much but give someone else air time and make someone else the villian.Also, love AG new look.Now he really looks like his Fathers’ son!

KKL took the money all the way to the bank playing a career slut from the valley. Now they are trying to dress her as Suesie homemaker and have her be a at home Mother. Her and Ridge have spent no time with their son RJ until the other day. No, I never want Ridge with Taylor again because nasty as Brooke and Ridge have been to other people about them belonging together, they deserve each other.

I don’t agree with some of the fans. KKL is not as great an actress as everyone thinks. She got lucky playing this role which repeats and repeats the same old story in different forms. Constantly throwing Brooke and Thomas together in different settings, will always be suspicious. The same goes for Taylor who has lied to Whit so many times about her feelings for Ridge. Same old…same old….and so on…..

Stop picking on the actors because you’re basically saying you’re instable and immoral like most of the wannabe “characters.”

with all the things that brooke did i know for a fact that she did sleep with thomas and this will come out and they will do it again ahe already told thomas that she looked so much like his father i know she sill leave ridge for thomas that slut has no morals anyway she always uses sex before her barain…..

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Stephen Schnetzer Talks On His Return to Days of our Lives and Working with Susan Seaforth Hayes In Emotional Episodes

Who says you can’t go home again? In the case of Another World favorite, Stephen Schnetzer (ex-Cass Winthrop), he has proven that it is true, and you can go back to your soap roots and where it all started for you.

Last week on April 11th, Schnetzer, along with several other key returns were on set at Days of our Lives taping all-new episodes of the Peacock streaming soap opera, centering on the funeral of Doug Williams (the late Bill Hayes), and as part of the iconic soap opera’s 15,000th episode.

Stephen is reprising his first daytime role as Steve Olson, the brother of Julie Williams (Susan Seaforth Hayes). The last time Schnetzer appeared on a DAYS set was during his one and only run on the show from 1978 to 1980. Clearly, viewers will be in for some very emotional scenes when Steve returns to Salem to be there for his sister, Julie in her time of need. In real-life, Susan has been going through her own grief, having just lost Bill back on January 12th at the age of 98.

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Michael Fairman TV caught up with Stephen during the 15K episode celebration ceremony, and during a break from taping the gut-wrenching funeral scenes, to get his thoughts on being part of these highly-anticipated moments that will air later this year in December. Here’s what he shared with us below.

What has this been like for you to work with Susan Seaforth Hayes after all of these years?

STEPHEN: She’s a dream and she’s so bright. We ran lines yesterday and we ended up just visiting for about 45 minutes and just catching up and telling tales about each other’s career. She even dropped off the autobiography that she and Bill did. And being back here at DAYS, every time I turn a corner, there’s another familiar face. When I was on the show 40 more years ago, a bunch of the guys, played softball on a team together. This is really a trip down memory lane as I knew it would be.

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Taping Doug’s funeral must be a hard day for Susan. Are you checking in with her to help hold her up through this?

STEPHEN: I am and I’m checking in with Amy Shaughnessy (Susan’s assistant), and she’s holding her up more than anybody. We’re there for each other.

There will obviously be some major hankie-inducing moments when Steve comes back to Salem to console his sister.

STEPHEN: Oh, wait till you see it in December. It’s going to be great.

Were you surprised you got this call to come back to the show decades later?

STEPHEN: It was out of the blue! I was completely surprised. They should have called me decades ago! That’s what surprised me. When Another World went down, I thought I’d land somewhere else and it never happened. That was more of a surprise.

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Cass is such an identifiable character for you. As well, you and Linda Dano (ex-Felicia Gallant) are so synonymous together as best friends Cass and Felicia from Another World. When fans heard you were reprising your role as Steve Olson on DAYS, they are now hoping there will be more of you on the show to come.

STEPHEN: Steven Olson is a real “Cassian “character. I cut my teeth on Steve Olson and that’s how Cass was introduced. He was kind of a roguish charmer. And then when the character stuck for Another World, they rehabilitated me, and turned me into one of the shows heroes. And that’s what would’ve happened if I stayed as Steve Olson probably. So, Steve is the ‘pre-Cass’, Cass.

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As the story goes, you originally decided to leave Days of our Lives?

STEPHEN: I was never on contract. I was doing a day and a half a week and I got a Broadway play directed by Franco Zeffirelli starring Joan Plowright and Frank Finlay. I was able to it as I didn’t have to break a contract or anything. I cut loose and went back to New York for that.

How well did you get to know Bill Hayes during your first time around on DAYS?

STEPHEN: My first episode was with Bill and Susan, as her long lost brother coming into Salem. They were so good to me. They were so kind. I had been doing eight years of classical repertory theater, never been in front of a camera. I tell everybody, it took me longer than any other actor I’ve ever seen to get comfortable in front of a camera. And they were very supportive at that time in my career. Coming back to honor Bill now in 2024, and to be see Susan, I am just so happy to be here.

Looking forward to seeing the scenes between Stephen and Susan Seaforth Hayes come December and Doug’s funeral and surrounding episodes? Do you hope that DAYS might bring the character of Steve Olson back for a longer stay? Comment below.

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Matthew Ashford and Melissa Reeves Talk Return to DAYS for Doug’s Funeral, Susan Seaforth Hayes, and Their Enduring Friendship

Last week, Days of our Lives celebrated the taping of their 15,000th episode which is tentatively scheduled to air on December 3rd. The story will feature emotional and heart-tugging scenes of Doug Williams funeral and honor his portrayer, the beloved Bill Hayes, who passed away on January 12th at the age of 98.

While the actors, producers, and crew took a lunch time break to pose for some pictures and speak with the press, they knew they would have to get back to taping the funeral, which was going to make it a tough day, but also cathartic for all who loved Bill Hayes.

Several returns have thus far been announced including; Melissa Reeves reprising her signature role of Jennifer Horton (a part she first played in 1985), and Matthew Ashford as Jack Deveraux. Reeves had last appeared on the show back in 2021, and she was replaced by Emmy-winner Cady McClain in her absence when Jennifer was in storylines. In real-life, Melissa had moved full-time to Tennessee along with her husband, Scott Reeves (ex-DAYS, GH, Y&R). Now, and as previously reported, Reeves will first appear back on DAYS for the Thanksgiving episodes with the Hortons.

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Michael Fairman TV caught up with Matt and Melissa during the 15,000th episode celebration to get their take on: being back for these special episodes, how it has been working with and watching Susan Seaforth Hayes portray Julie’s grief over losing Doug, and how they have supported each other through the years. Check out what they shared below.

Melissa, you are back on the set of Days of our Lives for this very emotional and special moment in the series history. How does it feel?

MELISSA: Oh, my goodness. I am honored. I wouldn’t want to be anywhere else but to be here for Bill. He was like my real-life dance partner. He taught me how to ballroom dance. And to be here for Susan, of course, who’s just been our sweet hero this whole week. We’re just following her lead. She’s just been this incredibly strong example for us in the midst of this trial and season of her life. She is like just lifting us all up with her. It’s been incredible.

I was at Bill Hayes memorial service which was truly incredible and I know at the time you were in Tennessee. It was moving and celebratory of his life, all at the same time.

MELISSA: That’s all I have heard. I have to watch it on You Tube. They said it was just a real celebration of his life and I love that.

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This must be difficult for Susan Seaforth Hayes depicting the death of Doug, when she is still grieving the loss of her beloved husband. (Susan pictured above with the returning Stephen Schnetzer who plays her on-screen brother, Steve Olson).

MELISSA: I’m sure Susan has those moments at home by herself, but she’s so good at being a leader and leading all of us. We’re following her, you know, and she’s like, “This is how I want to feel today.” And we’re just going along with her, you know? It’s so sweet.

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How is it to see Matt Ashford again live and in-person?

MELISSA: You know, Matt and I can go years without talking, or seeing each other, and then the minute we see each other we’re chatting away.

MATT: Melissa was out on set doing a scene yesterday on the phone talking to a stage manager; as she was telling some really tough news on the phone. I’m like crying in the background, literally, I’m off-stage crying.

MELISSA: And then we get like back into normal life, and we’re like, okay, “What’s happening? What’s happening with this … or what’s happening with that?”

I had read, Melissa, that you were in touch with Matt about if there night be a possibility for you to reprise your role as Jennifer for these special episodes?

MELISSA: Yes. Well, Matt was like, “Hey! Would you want to come back? “And I was like, “Matt, you know, I would always come back. ”

MATT:  Every time I come here to Days of our Lives, they ask, “Where’s Missy? How’s Missy?” Everybody backstage says, “I miss her.” All of the crew is asking about her and saying, “It would be nice to see Missy. Nothing wrong with you Matt, but …”  They said, “Where is she?” I said, “She wants to come!”

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There are some beautiful photos of Missy and Bill and Susan thorough the years that I found. It just reminded me of just the deep and entrenched history we all have had with the show, personally and professionally.

MATT: Missy is roughly the age where Francis Reid (ex-Alice Horton) was when she started the show, which is just crazy.

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I’ve always said Missy was going to be the next generation Alice. Do you feel that Jennifer is the heir apparent matriarch of the Horton family?

MELISSA: Yes. I mean, this has been greatest blessing of my life, and that would be great. I told Ken Corday (executive producer, Days of our Lives) when I was 17 that this show would be my life. Ken always told me, “This is your home,” and I’ve always felt like that.

How have gotten through the scenes watching Susan Seaforth Hayes as Julie go through the loss of Doug?

MATT: Susan is bringing her best performance life for her and Bill. I mean, she’s a showbiz baby. She always has been one hundred percent, and she’s doing it for him, and this is who they’ve always been. So, you’re seeing this amazing performance colored by her life. She has her private life as Susan, but she has enough plugged into Julie that she’s done amazing work. The director, producers and writers are giving her room to live in these moments and it’s quite wonderful.

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Have you already broken down in tears during the taping?

MELISSA: Yesterday, but today’s taping of the actual funeral I think they want us to try and be just more celebratory.

MATT: I mean, it is a beautiful long life for Bill Hayes and his character of Doug Williams, and so it will be about that. Then, you get a bunch of us together in the church pews, and there’s going to be hijinks.

MELISSA: We all have been through the waves of grief. You have that awful cry and then all of a sudden you feel okay.  There are those family situations we are portraying where you’re like, “What do we do? What do we do now? You know, no one knows what to do. But, it’s so sweet. I’m looking forward to seeing how the scenes all turn out.

So, are you glad that Matt and Melissa are back for the 15K episode and Doug’s funeral? From what we can tell, it’s going to be quite an emotional journey for Days of our Lives fans, and especially the performance of Susan Seaforth Hayes, 

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Ron Carlivati Talks on Decision to Make Days of our Lives 15000th Episode About Doug’s Funeral, and Previews Chances for WGA Award

This week, Days of our Lives celebrated the taping of their 15,000th episode. In of it itself, that is an incredible accomplishment for the long-running soap opera currently streaming on Peacock.

However, this on set gathering was a bit different. Though the show is celebrating their achievement, they are also in the middle of taping scenes surrounding the death and the funeral of Doug Williams, played by the late Bill Hayes, who passed away on January 12th of this year at the age of 98.

As previously revealed many longtime favorites are back to honor Bill and the character of Doug including: Gloria Loring (Liz), Melissa Reeves (Jennifer), Matthew Ashford (Jack), Maree Cheatham (Marie), Victoria Konefal (Ciara) and Stephen Schnetzer (Steve) to name but a few.

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Michael Fairman TV was in attendance and spoke with Days of our Lives head writer, Ron Carlivati to gain some insight into how the 15,000 episode was crafted and the decision to honor the character of Doug Williams and Bill Hayes as its epicenter. In addition, Ron weighed-in on this Sunday’s April 14th WGA (Writers Guild of America) Awards, where he and his writing team are facing off with General Hospital for the daytime drama prize. Here’s what Ron shared below.

Was this your idea to make the 15,000th episode centered around Doug’s funeral and passing?

RON: It was. When you’re looking at it, and laying out the calendar for the whole year and you see 15,000 is coming up, we’re like, “What are we going to do?” And then, we got the news that Bill had passed away and something kind of clicked. I was like, “We should honor Doug on that show.” So then, we started to kind of build around that … when does he pass away? How does he pass away? Who could come back? You know, it’s a lot.  I’m very pleased with the returns that we got as there’s so much that you could do. We wanted everybody we could get. So, we put together a wish list and Janet Drucker (co-executive producer, Days of our Lives) made it happen.

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You have Melissa Reeves back as Jennifer, when the role was last played by Cady McClain. What has it meant to have Missy back for these shows?

RON: It was so nice to see Missy Reeves. I think Cady has done such a good job, but on the 15,000th episode to see Missy as Jennifer, it’s a big deal. So having her was great, and overall, the milestone was a big undertaking, because you want to live up to it. You want the 15,000th episode to be good. Now, it has a lot of real emotion that you’re playing. because for the cast and the crew they’re honoring Bill Hayes just as much as we’re honoring Doug Williams.

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Was it hard for you and the team to write this episode?

RON: Yes. I’ll tell you why it was hard to write.  When I wrote, for example, Asa’s (Phillip Carey) death on One Life to Live or Victor’s (John Aniston) on DAYS, Asa is a different type of character. Like, you could have characters going, “Oh! I’m glad he is dead.” You could have different points of view, but with Doug, you’re not having that. Every person loves this man. No one had a bad relationship with him. So, you’re challenge as a writer is how do you make it that not everybody’s saying the same thing and doing the same thing. And so, we tried to find ways to make the episode about all the familial relationships and yet, how do you make it about Doug and yet broaden the scope.

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I had spoken to Susan Seaforth Hayes (Julie), a week after Bill’s memorial, for an interview. She said that she felt very fortunate that you did include her on discussions of how you would tackle Doug’s passing. How did that conversation go?

RON: First, I attended Bill’s funeral, which was incredible. I said to so many people it was an emotional service, but it was hard to be sad at this. The guy had an incredible life and it was an incredible celebration. And so, you’re sitting there watching this knowing that you now have to write something similar. And how do you write something that lives up to what you just witnessed? I wanted to talk to Susan to get her thoughts about, you know, how much do you want this to be about keeping Bill separate from Doug. How comfortable are you sharing your grief. She was incredible to talk to. It was a great chat.

You’re in the middle of taping these major scenes for the 15,000 episode to air in December. How do you think it’s going? Have you seen any of the scenes?

RON:  I haven’t seeing anything. I mean, we were still making changes to the script up till this morning!

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The Writers Guild Awards are this Sunday, April 14th and once again this year there are two daytime drama nominees, General Hospital and Days of our Lives. How are you feeling about your chances this year?

RON: It is often just GH and us in the category. I’ve won three years in a row, so I’m kind of feeling like it’s their turn.

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What episodes did you submit for contention? If I recall, they had to do with Victor’s memorial.

RON: The episodes we submitted were centered around Victor’s funeral. I think one has story with Vivian (Louise Sorel). We had some fun stuff, we had some emotional stuff at Victor’s death, and I am pretty sure that our submission was three episodes right around that time.

Did you make the decision to go with those episodes because there was a mix of humor and drama?

RON: I like to have some humor, but it was also the funeral, then there’s Sarah (Linsey Godfrey) giving birth, and then Vivian’s crashing the reading of the will. So, we had a lot of fun and it’s hard sometimes to pick three that tell a story, as opposed to submitting for the Daytime Emmys, where the writing team only submits two shows. So, we shall see how it goes on Sunday.

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So, are you looking forward to the emotional 15,000th episode of Days of our Lives? Do you think DAYS will take home the WGA writing award for daytime dramas for the 4th year in a row? Comment below.

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