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THE THAAO PENGHLIS INTERVIEW- DAYS OF OUR LIVES

thaao_black.jpgIn this exclusive On-Air On-Soaps interview, Days of our Lives actor Thaao Penghlis, who has played Tony Dimera on and off for over several decades, talks openly and honestly about being one of the actors and characters let-go by executive producer, Ken Corday, as part of the show’s final budget cuts and cast trimming.

As many “DAYS” and soap fans know, a few weeks ago came word that Thaao was being written off the show in an upcoming murder mystery whodunit. Thaao explains that he feels ageism was part of the decision making process, including what happened with other soap veterans, Deidre Hall, Drake Hogestyn, Stephen Nichols and Mary Beth Evans. Next, we learn what’s going to precipitate Tony’s exit and storyline, and Thaao talks about his feelings on departing the show and embarking on a new career path. We do touch on his thoughts on head writer,
Dena Higley, former head writer, James
Reilly, and former co-executive producer,
Ed Scott.

In this revealing interview, Thaao says goodbye to his fans and talks about his new projects. Always the world traveler, he talks about his upcoming travel plans and gives an in-depth look, and his sentiments, into the daytime soap machine.

MICHAEL:

How did you find out you were being let-go from “DAYS”?

THAAO:

I was overseas in Cuba doing some mission work. I don’t think that Ken Corday knew, but he left me a message to call him. I kind of knew, or had a sense, because you did not get many calls from Ken unless they are ominous in some way. They used to call you once when you did good work, but those things don’t happen anymore.

MICHAEL:

Every actor I spoke with in recent months has told me when you get called in to the office it’s usually not a good sign.

THAAO:

Yes, it never used to be that way. I do not know why it happens this way, and I don’t know what’s happened to the heart of things.

MICHAEL:

How did you feel hearing, once again, that the show was going to “kill” off Tony Dimera? You have been “killed” off “DAYS” numerous times in the past!

thaao_sunglasses.jpgTHAAO:

It stayed with me for about half a day. You think to yourself, “How many times can you kill me? And how many times do they always have the same feel about it?” And then you go, “Wait a minute? Do I take this personally? Why does this character have to be killed?” I don’t know what that is.

MICHAEL:

So, what did Ken say to you?

THAAO:

Ken told me the character is going to be “killed” in a “whodunit.” He said, “You’ve been killed before and you’ve always come back,” but not this time. I think this is it for me. I am looking elsewhere, and it wasn’t that I did not anticipate this.

MICHAEL:

We had talked previously that they were not even using you and Leann Hunley (Anna) on-screen.

THAAO:

Yeah, and this head writer looked me right in the eye and said at the Emmys, “There is nothing she couldn’t write for me,” and the fact of the matter is she was going to bring me into an autism story. Then all these stories were developing with the Dimeras and John, and EJ and Tony, and the estate, and Stefano was dying. Then a new producer came in.

MICHAEL:

Yes, Gary Tomlin replaced Ed Scott as the new co-executive producer at “DAYS”. How did you feel about seeing Ed go?

THAAO:

I was sorry to see Ed Scott go. He was more hands-on and appreciative of actors. He would come out and really let you know how he felt, but he is a different kind of human being, I think.

MICHAEL:

What did Leann say when you told her the news of your upcoming departure from Salem?

THAAO:

She was sad, because we did not have anything really to play. Even the writer thaao_leann.jpgsaid to us, “You two have chemistry you can’t buy.” So, I am not taking it personally. It’s their choices. They are entitled to the expression they want to play. I can’t turn around and say to them, “You’re not being fair, it’s terrible.” They’re not really, it’s just someone coming in and creating a different recipe with the ingredients they need for the recipe. I have been around and survived as an actor my entire lifetime, so it’s not like Gary Tomlin is an ogre or the head writer is terrible, its not. They are just who they are, and they want to tell other stories. You just have to know when its time to move. It’s just not pleasant, finishing the character and dying again. I don’t like those kinds of things… death and coffins. James Reilly, ex head writer “DAYS”, put me in a coffin for three days, and Gary was a friend of James Reilly, and they are the two people that have killed me.

MICHAEL:

When you look at “DAYS” now, with the departure of so many long time veterans and icons of the genre, what do you think?

THAAO:

“DAYS” is not “DAYS” anymore. It’s an extension of what it was; it’s not the body or the heart of what it was. We were all part of that, especially those that just left and I think we were the best of daytime. I think, hands down, the James Reilly’s of the world have destroyed daytime. They took the thing that people watched, which was great reality and passions, and made it into somewhat of a joke and cartoons. However, I must say, the fact that “DAYS” has remained on so long is a credit to the show. It has such a wonderful history and I will miss it.

MICHAEL:

Will Leann be leaving or spending time in the murder mystery?

THAAO:

I am sure she will be visiting my grave.

MICHAEL:

Do you think she might be a suspect then, to facilitate her exiting the canvas?

THAAO:

She needs to have some kind of mourning period, and then Anna will probably decide she needs to go to a nunnery. (He laughs)

MICHAEL:

Will Tony be stirring up a lot of trouble in his last month and half in Salem?

thaao_joe.jpgTHAAO:

Yes, and I am enjoying that! I like to disturb! It’s all coming out that it’s not Nicole’s child and Tony finds out. I am having hassles with everybody. Suddenly, I am having arguments with everybody, so it’s one of those, “Who do I disturb the most?” I know how I go, but it will be something that will set up the battle between the Kiriakis and the Dimeras families.

MICHAEL:

Will it be a bloody death? You know, bullets through you kind of thing?

THAAO:

Are you asking me if am I dying with dignity? It’s not going to be as bad as that, I don’t think.

MICHAEL:

So, who will you be mixing it up with to precipitate this murder?

THAAO:

I have got some interesting stuff with some of the females on the show. I know Joe Mascolo (Stefano), is very upset that I will soon be exiting the show.

MICHAEL:

So, for “DAYS” and Tony fans when can we say you will be on-air till?

THAAO:

I will be shooting about 16 shows, and those will all be airing through the end of March.

marybeth_stephen.jpgMICHAEL:

Have you spoken to Mary Beth Evans (Kayla) and Stephen Nichols (Patch) since they have also been given the pink slip from the series? In a recent issue of Soap Opera Digest, Ken Corday was quoted as saying, “We are done.” (with the cast cutting) I’m going to let the cast know that this is the week we start our new contract with NBC and the difficult, onerous, painful bloodletting of this transition is over.”

THAAO:

I have not spoken to them, but they knew. Mary Beth had come to me after they had spoken to the producer and were told, “There were too many actors on the show over 40, and they had to let some go.” The interesting thing is Ken said, “It had nothing to do with ageism.” And yet, every one of us who was let go was over 40. To me, it is about ageism,
because these are all wonderful characters
on the show.

MICHAEL:

Did you feel at some point that “DAYS” head writer, Dena Higley, was not going to write for you?

THAAO:

She did give me a clue one day. She said when she first came to the show, “I noticed you were playing two characters and I thought to myself, who wants to go there”? And I thought, “Well, that does not sound encouraging.” It only got me an Emmy nomination. I do not have complaints about it. They gave me many wonderful years of employment. I used that employment to have my own education to travel the world. In the big picture, “Am I upset about it?” No. I just wish they did not dangle me around for the last year.

MICHAEL:

How is Deidre Hall (Ex- Marlena) doing?

deidre_hall.jpgTHAAO:

She is doing great, and it’s the first time in years she felt she didn’t have to run anywhere. She was really upset when she called me and found out I was “let-go”. We had a good laugh, and we are going to meet and have lunch together. She is not bitter.

MICHAEL:

There are some rumblings that you have a new show on the Sci-fi Channel?

THAAO:

This thing, “Emissary”, I was excited about because I was getting to work again with Phil Morris, who I worked with on “Mission Impossible”. It’s a series being developed for an Internet series on the Sci-Fi Channel website, and beyond that, they are trying to get it sold to television. So, it could be very intriguing.

MICHAEL:

What would you like to say to your fans?

THAAO:

I must say fans can be fleeting, but I have had a core of fans. I know the actors that have gone before me have, too. You can’t have lasted this long and be able to come back this many times without having a base to support you, and the fans are terrific. It’s something you do that makes them feel that you have changed the way they have looked at things, or you have amused them in some way, or scared them, and they have stayed around to support you. They have been amazing, and so supportive. And it’s almost like you become an extension of them. Their responses have been interesting. I have had great stories and gotten the chance to play challenging things. I have no animosity. I go to work and I see wonderful faces and people who I appreciate, and through their reflection, you see how much you have grown. In the 80’s people would day, “Thaao’s on set!” thaao_outdoors.jpgThis was back in the 80’s. I could be a bit difficult in the way I would approach getting to things, but as I have matured, I have been able to be very quiet in my approach to work, so I do not upset those around me. In other words, when I come into the room, I like when people get excited. I don’t want to waste time, and I know my lines and I am going to surprise them. In many ways you support the fans that way. For them to keep guessing, you have to be able to keep that mystery going. I have certainly hooked enough people through the years to feel embraced ,and I have really appreciated it. Also, I really appreciate Ken Corday. It does not matter what people will say about him. My whole thing is when I step away from Ken, I just say, “Thank you for letting me be the best of it!” He and I have always clicked well.

MICHAEL:

So, will there be no on-set ceremony commonly known around “DAYS”, as “The Cake of Death?”

THAAO:

The way I am going to do it is do my work, give my embraces to a few, and go home and go on to the next thing.

MICHAEL:

As you are set to exit, and “DAYS” fans prepare for the next month of storytelling, what can we do to tease to the fans?

THAAO:

I would say, there is going to be a tinge of Andre in the work, and this mischievous side of Tony that likes disturbing happy people.

MICHAEL:

What gets Tony so riled up?

thaao_james.jpgTHAAO:

I think, in many ways, he talked about not being appreciated, because EJ is the “Golden Boy”. Even though Tony knows Stefano loves him more than anyone, suddenly the storyline went from EJ and me being friendly against daddy, to where he goes with daddy and I am left alone. It’s hard because the through line has not been clear. What I am left with are all the ingredients of what is going to be passionate, disturbing and volatile. The trouble is that there won’t be romance or any love. I don’t know where my poor wife is! It’s strange. The fans will get some of the old Tony and Andre. I have not seen the death script yet, but I think I am just being used as a ploy to bring up the war between the Dimera’s and Kiriakis’s

MICHAEL:

Since the soap industry has fallen on some very hard times recently, due in part to our nations economic struggles, do you think “DAYS” will survive and be on the air for sometime to come?

THAAO:

I will put it this way: My astrologist last November said, (and he is really terrific), I will be finished by May of 2009 and that the show will not be on past January 2010.

thaao_in_syria.jpgMICHAEL:

Where will your travels take you next?

THAAO:

I am going to Iran next. I have not worked that out yet. I would like to see Iran and Lebanon. I also want to go to Sicily and China.

MICHAEL:

Really, you want to go to Iran? Don’t you worry about safety when traveling with so much conflict in the world
territories?

THAAO:

I am not stupid when I travel, and you learn what to trust and what not to trust. As I said to a Turkish Rug dealer in Istanbul, “I have been through the crooks in Hollywood!” (He laughs)

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Wisdom excelleth folly, as far as light excelleth darkness: The wise man’s eyes are in his
head; yet he goe’s the way of
the fool in the dark.

Brave Thaao of the Penghlis, may your many journeys be filled with joy and excitement,
hope you find many golden fleeces along the way. Watch out for Apate’ she can be
tricky, but I’m sure Athena will give you all the protection you need.

Bye

The darkest part of the night is just before dawn.

May GOD be with you in all you do.

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Days of our Lives wins WGA Award for Daytime Drama Series

Sunday night, April 14th in concurrent ceremonies in Los Angeles and New York City, the Writers Guild of America is handing out their 76th annual WGA Awards in the fields of motion picture, television, news media, and radio/audio.

In the Daytime Drama category, Peacock’s Days of our Lives was the winner, taking home its fourth WGA Award in this category in a row.

The DAYS winning writing team consisted of Head Writer Ron Carlivati Creative Consultant Ryan Quan and Writers Sonja Alar, Jazmen Darnell Brown, Joanna Cohen, Carolyn Culliton, Richard Culliton, Cheryl Davis, Kirk Doering, Christopher Dunn, Jamey Giddens, David Kreizman, Henry Newman, Dave Ryan, and Katherine D. Schock.

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The team from Days of our Lives bested the only other team in the category from General Hospital, which consisted of former GH head writers: Dan O’Connor, Chris Van Etten Writers Ashley Cook, Emily Culliton, Suzanne Flynn, Charlotte Gibson, Lucky Gold, Kate Hall, Elizabeth Korte, Shannon Peace, Stacey Pulwer, Dave Rupel, Lisa Seidman, and Scott Sickles.

Courtesy/Peacock

As previously reported, a show spokesperson for Days of our Lives shared that the episodes submitted for the competition were #14663, #14678 & #14679, and mostly centered around the death, and the funeral of Victor Kiriakis played by the late John Aniston.

This week, DAYS head scribe, Ron Carlivati, confirmed that, and told Michael Fairman TV on the decision of the scripts the team submitted: “I like to have some humor, but it was also the funeral, and then there was Sarah (Linsey Godfrey) giving birth, and then Vivian’s (Louise Sorel) crashing the reading of the will.”

You can follow along with the live updated list of all the winners from tonight’s WGA ceremonies here.

Michael Fairman TV will have more on DAYS WGA Award win as it becomes available.

So, what do you think of Days of our Lives winning the WGA Award writing award for a Daytime Drama series for the fourth year in a row? Comment below.

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Matthew Ashford and Melissa Reeves Talk Return to DAYS for Doug’s Funeral, Susan Seaforth Hayes, and Their Enduring Friendship

Last week, Days of our Lives celebrated the taping of their 15,000th episode which is tentatively scheduled to air on December 3rd. The story will feature emotional and heart-tugging scenes of Doug Williams funeral and honor his portrayer, the beloved Bill Hayes, who passed away on January 12th at the age of 98.

While the actors, producers, and crew took a lunch time break to pose for some pictures and speak with the press, they knew they would have to get back to taping the funeral, which was going to make it a tough day, but also cathartic for all who loved Bill Hayes.

Several returns have thus far been announced including; Melissa Reeves reprising her signature role of Jennifer Horton (a part she first played in 1985), and Matthew Ashford as Jack Deveraux. Reeves had last appeared on the show back in 2021, and she was replaced by Emmy-winner Cady McClain in her absence when Jennifer was in storylines. In real-life, Melissa had moved full-time to Tennessee along with her husband, Scott Reeves (ex-DAYS, GH, Y&R). Now, and as previously reported, Reeves will first appear back on DAYS for the Thanksgiving episodes with the Hortons.

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Michael Fairman TV caught up with Matt and Melissa during the 15,000th episode celebration to get their take on: being back for these special episodes, how it has been working with and watching Susan Seaforth Hayes portray Julie’s grief over losing Doug, and how they have supported each other through the years. Check out what they shared below.

Melissa, you are back on the set of Days of our Lives for this very emotional and special moment in the series history. How does it feel?

MELISSA: Oh, my goodness. I am honored. I wouldn’t want to be anywhere else but to be here for Bill. He was like my real-life dance partner. He taught me how to ballroom dance. And to be here for Susan, of course, who’s just been our sweet hero this whole week. We’re just following her lead. She’s just been this incredibly strong example for us in the midst of this trial and season of her life. She is like just lifting us all up with her. It’s been incredible.

I was at Bill Hayes memorial service which was truly incredible and I know at the time you were in Tennessee. It was moving and celebratory of his life, all at the same time.

MELISSA: That’s all I have heard. I have to watch it on You Tube. They said it was just a real celebration of his life and I love that.

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This must be difficult for Susan Seaforth Hayes depicting the death of Doug, when she is still grieving the loss of her beloved husband. (Susan pictured above with the returning Stephen Schnetzer who plays her on-screen brother, Steve Olson).

MELISSA: I’m sure Susan has those moments at home by herself, but she’s so good at being a leader and leading all of us. We’re following her, you know, and she’s like, “This is how I want to feel today.” And we’re just going along with her, you know? It’s so sweet.

Photo: JPI

How is it to see Matt Ashford again live and in-person?

MELISSA: You know, Matt and I can go years without talking, or seeing each other, and then the minute we see each other we’re chatting away.

MATT: Melissa was out on set doing a scene yesterday on the phone talking to a stage manager; as she was telling some really tough news on the phone. I’m like crying in the background, literally, I’m off-stage crying.

MELISSA: And then we get like back into normal life, and we’re like, okay, “What’s happening? What’s happening with this … or what’s happening with that?”

I had read, Melissa, that you were in touch with Matt about if there night be a possibility for you to reprise your role as Jennifer for these special episodes?

MELISSA: Yes. Well, Matt was like, “Hey! Would you want to come back? “And I was like, “Matt, you know, I would always come back. ”

MATT:  Every time I come here to Days of our Lives, they ask, “Where’s Missy? How’s Missy?” Everybody backstage says, “I miss her.” All of the crew is asking about her and saying, “It would be nice to see Missy. Nothing wrong with you Matt, but …”  They said, “Where is she?” I said, “She wants to come!”

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There are some beautiful photos of Missy and Bill and Susan thorough the years that I found. It just reminded me of just the deep and entrenched history we all have had with the show, personally and professionally.

MATT: Missy is roughly the age where Francis Reid (ex-Alice Horton) was when she started the show, which is just crazy.

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I’ve always said Missy was going to be the next generation Alice. Do you feel that Jennifer is the heir apparent matriarch of the Horton family?

MELISSA: Yes. I mean, this has been greatest blessing of my life, and that would be great. I told Ken Corday (executive producer, Days of our Lives) when I was 17 that this show would be my life. Ken always told me, “This is your home,” and I’ve always felt like that.

How have gotten through the scenes watching Susan Seaforth Hayes as Julie go through the loss of Doug?

MATT: Susan is bringing her best performance life for her and Bill. I mean, she’s a showbiz baby. She always has been one hundred percent, and she’s doing it for him, and this is who they’ve always been. So, you’re seeing this amazing performance colored by her life. She has her private life as Susan, but she has enough plugged into Julie that she’s done amazing work. The director, producers and writers are giving her room to live in these moments and it’s quite wonderful.

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Have you already broken down in tears during the taping?

MELISSA: Yesterday, but today’s taping of the actual funeral I think they want us to try and be just more celebratory.

MATT: I mean, it is a beautiful long life for Bill Hayes and his character of Doug Williams, and so it will be about that. Then, you get a bunch of us together in the church pews, and there’s going to be hijinks.

MELISSA: We all have been through the waves of grief. You have that awful cry and then all of a sudden you feel okay.  There are those family situations we are portraying where you’re like, “What do we do? What do we do now? You know, no one knows what to do. But, it’s so sweet. I’m looking forward to seeing how the scenes all turn out.

So, are you glad that Matt and Melissa are back for the 15K episode and Doug’s funeral? From what we can tell, it’s going to be quite an emotional journey for Days of our Lives fans, and especially the performance of Susan Seaforth Hayes, 

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Ron Carlivati Talks on Decision to Make Days of our Lives 15000th Episode About Doug’s Funeral, and Previews Chances for WGA Award

This week, Days of our Lives celebrated the taping of their 15,000th episode. In of it itself, that is an incredible accomplishment for the long-running soap opera currently streaming on Peacock.

However, this on set gathering was a bit different. Though the show is celebrating their achievement, they are also in the middle of taping scenes surrounding the death and the funeral of Doug Williams, played by the late Bill Hayes, who passed away on January 12th of this year at the age of 98.

As previously revealed many longtime favorites are back to honor Bill and the character of Doug including: Gloria Loring (Liz), Melissa Reeves (Jennifer), Matthew Ashford (Jack), Maree Cheatham (Marie), Victoria Konefal (Ciara) and Stephen Schnetzer (Steve) to name but a few.

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Michael Fairman TV was in attendance and spoke with Days of our Lives head writer, Ron Carlivati to gain some insight into how the 15,000 episode was crafted and the decision to honor the character of Doug Williams and Bill Hayes as its epicenter. In addition, Ron weighed-in on this Sunday’s April 14th WGA (Writers Guild of America) Awards, where he and his writing team are facing off with General Hospital for the daytime drama prize. Here’s what Ron shared below.

Was this your idea to make the 15,000th episode centered around Doug’s funeral and passing?

RON: It was. When you’re looking at it, and laying out the calendar for the whole year and you see 15,000 is coming up, we’re like, “What are we going to do?” And then, we got the news that Bill had passed away and something kind of clicked. I was like, “We should honor Doug on that show.” So then, we started to kind of build around that … when does he pass away? How does he pass away? Who could come back? You know, it’s a lot.  I’m very pleased with the returns that we got as there’s so much that you could do. We wanted everybody we could get. So, we put together a wish list and Janet Drucker (co-executive producer, Days of our Lives) made it happen.

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You have Melissa Reeves back as Jennifer, when the role was last played by Cady McClain. What has it meant to have Missy back for these shows?

RON: It was so nice to see Missy Reeves. I think Cady has done such a good job, but on the 15,000th episode to see Missy as Jennifer, it’s a big deal. So having her was great, and overall, the milestone was a big undertaking, because you want to live up to it. You want the 15,000th episode to be good. Now, it has a lot of real emotion that you’re playing. because for the cast and the crew they’re honoring Bill Hayes just as much as we’re honoring Doug Williams.

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Was it hard for you and the team to write this episode?

RON: Yes. I’ll tell you why it was hard to write.  When I wrote, for example, Asa’s (Phillip Carey) death on One Life to Live or Victor’s (John Aniston) on DAYS, Asa is a different type of character. Like, you could have characters going, “Oh! I’m glad he is dead.” You could have different points of view, but with Doug, you’re not having that. Every person loves this man. No one had a bad relationship with him. So, you’re challenge as a writer is how do you make it that not everybody’s saying the same thing and doing the same thing. And so, we tried to find ways to make the episode about all the familial relationships and yet, how do you make it about Doug and yet broaden the scope.

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I had spoken to Susan Seaforth Hayes (Julie), a week after Bill’s memorial, for an interview. She said that she felt very fortunate that you did include her on discussions of how you would tackle Doug’s passing. How did that conversation go?

RON: First, I attended Bill’s funeral, which was incredible. I said to so many people it was an emotional service, but it was hard to be sad at this. The guy had an incredible life and it was an incredible celebration. And so, you’re sitting there watching this knowing that you now have to write something similar. And how do you write something that lives up to what you just witnessed? I wanted to talk to Susan to get her thoughts about, you know, how much do you want this to be about keeping Bill separate from Doug. How comfortable are you sharing your grief. She was incredible to talk to. It was a great chat.

You’re in the middle of taping these major scenes for the 15,000 episode to air in December. How do you think it’s going? Have you seen any of the scenes?

RON:  I haven’t seeing anything. I mean, we were still making changes to the script up till this morning!

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The Writers Guild Awards are this Sunday, April 14th and once again this year there are two daytime drama nominees, General Hospital and Days of our Lives. How are you feeling about your chances this year?

RON: It is often just GH and us in the category. I’ve won three years in a row, so I’m kind of feeling like it’s their turn.

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What episodes did you submit for contention? If I recall, they had to do with Victor’s memorial.

RON: The episodes we submitted were centered around Victor’s funeral. I think one has story with Vivian (Louise Sorel). We had some fun stuff, we had some emotional stuff at Victor’s death, and I am pretty sure that our submission was three episodes right around that time.

Did you make the decision to go with those episodes because there was a mix of humor and drama?

RON: I like to have some humor, but it was also the funeral, then there’s Sarah (Linsey Godfrey) giving birth, and then Vivian’s crashing the reading of the will. So, we had a lot of fun and it’s hard sometimes to pick three that tell a story, as opposed to submitting for the Daytime Emmys, where the writing team only submits two shows. So, we shall see how it goes on Sunday.

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So, are you looking forward to the emotional 15,000th episode of Days of our Lives? Do you think DAYS will take home the WGA writing award for daytime dramas for the 4th year in a row? Comment below.

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