Oh really Sage and Chelsea slept with two men in one month Ben slept with three women in about three months. Nick has his zipper open twenty four hours a day! Knock it off about Sharon the only reason they are pushing Dylan with her is because she has twenty one years on this soap and they are trying like hell to get people to accept Steve Burton. Sharon Case has done nothing but step up to the plate for this show after. The last three writing teams have tried to destroy her character!

You’re right, Substitute.
Everybody has slept with everyone else on all soaps. It is a very alien concept for me. I only dated my husband…so, I can’t even relate.
I did mention a few days ago that there will be pandemonium when Chelsea and Sage realize that they are both pregnant with Gabe’s baby.

CeeCee, hi 🙂
nope lol
everybody has slept with everybody on Y&R because that is what they do on that soap..
It recycles the same couples over and over again year after year….
They make the rounds sleeping with the same list and then work their way back to whom they started with..
Same cast for decades sleeping with each other..

Bad thing with Y&R- most all the younger cast are related to each other..
If they started hooking up it would be one big pile of insest..

GH has little of exchanging partners/making the rounds..
they usually move on because GH brings in new charaters,,
Carly and Sonny are the main, they will always be,,

Oh and let us not forgetAbby she slept with Austin off camera brilliant Pratt at work again and then Ben. Oh and Victoria who never saw a hairbrush she did not like the two Daddy storyline. Oh and Phyllis in the days of rolling on a desk and screwing in a dumpster. Oh and then Victoria and Nikki sharing Deacon and Cole. Both of Victoria’s pregnancy’s that she carried to term it was whose the Daddy and let’s not forget who is raising Reed. You wAnt to go there with Sharon bring it on. Oh and Miss Cupcake Avery sleeping with Nick her sisters husband but that was ok that Nick slept with two sisters and his Daddy’s ex Dianne. Tired of the crap people lay on Sharon maybe people go for her because she has a better figure then the people half her age on this show. Oh yes and the spawn Summer who mourned her husband’s death for two weeks before she was on the couch with Kyle !

You read my mind CeeCee, I was just thinking wouldnt it be nice to have Sharon and Dylan fall in love this summer and do some romantic, playful things on screen. Maybe even a location shoot somewhere? NO couples have a perfect marriage or dating history but with all the BS it would be nice to see two characters have fun for once!

I hope Sharon and Adam get together. I think Chuck Pratt doesn’t know the history of the intense love cant keep hands off the body lust love climb the highest moutain for each other “SHADAM: 🙂 love

Lol, Timmm. Nick and Dylan share the same DNA….they wallow in mud themselves; and fizzle.
This makes me think how Nick’s life keeps using the same revolving door which leads to nowhereland.
Again, Nick is embroiled in another who’s-the-daddy ‘mystery’ ….déjà-vu, much? Brings back memories of Summer’s two daddies…..Nick and Jack. Who’s the daddy?

Fire Fire Fire Chuck Pratt. Sharon does not need to waste her time with Dylan. He is mentally unstable. Let angry Avery have him and they move away. Take Summer who we know is really jacks. Jack should be getting a test as soon as the worst fake Jack story is over.
Why is CBS allowing Chuck to write the worst stories in soap history! The Austin Murder is so ridiculous and the fake Jack. I have been now only following the posts on FB I stopped watching Y&R after 25 years . SAD

Eileen Hargis, hi..
I have never heard/read of a Y&R cast member saying they are playing scenes they don’t believe in..
I could have missed them saying that about Pratt/his scenes but I highly doubt that I have..

Did I say they said it for publication? No, I did not.

And Chuck Pratt can’t be fired because he has an iron clad contract. He’s also Co-Executive Producer, so he can write that a bomb blows up Genoa City and that will happen.

So agree with your ‘take’ on this topic too, Rose. Decent women, like many characters on YR, both male and female have been most often romantic with partners, (as you said above) and certainly weren’t the female sluts as it seems the women now (Abby, Ashley, Sage, Chelsea, Sharon, even Summer just after Austin had been killed) are being portrayed. And the men being turned into that horrible term, ‘dogs’ when previously ‘quickies’ to mend their broken? (doubt it as they are seemingly totally insensitive clods now) hearts with another body, usually the nearest one – e.g.. Sharon, Sage, Abby, etc. Seems any body as long as not a sister or brother is now okay – look at the serial generational screwing that is going on now – Victoria, Ashely and Abby all Stitches ‘conquests.’ And he’s even crowing proud to Ashley. Making me want to puke! Nick, with his custody of his daughter is thawing the boss’s caution to the wind and ‘taking’ Sage in the storage room of the pub with not even a door locked; so that Sharon walking in following the tryst is made to feel she’s in the wrong by Nick for being there! There are more examples too. Am actually surprised that Hilary isn’t pregnant (seeing as she is in real life due in August) as she’d not have even known ‘Who’s The Daddy?” Maybe there would have been back lash from the Afro-American community of fans who watch the show.

Maybe we who object to this objectifying of the characters sexually on this show need to somehow get our voices heard other than on discussion boards such as this great one by Michael Faiirman. There needs to be some article in one of the Daytime Soap magazines about how unhappy fans are these days with the depiction of casual, not even safe sexual encounters on YR these past months. It really is despicable.

Whoops, a few spelling checks to errors.
“with precocious ‘quickies’ to mend…” and
“custody of his daughter is THROWING caution to …”
Hope the above makes sense now…

Oh you are so right with your observations, Laurie. Appreciate your great slant on the weddings issue as it backs up most of the other comments here about the lack of continuity to the ‘old’ YR characters, build up of romance, all the nuances of the male/female characters – remember the old storyline of Sharon and Adam years ago ending up in Paris, such angst during those months. But that is what used to ‘make’ the show. Yes, the planning of a wedding months ahead was really fun to watch. We all remember the Nick Sharon weddings, even Victor Nikki weddings and so many others where there was a build up with lots of challenges against the couple, etc.
Turning YR into a mock CSI show with the murders mystery (honestly think the writers just didn’t know what to do with these young actors); or a most silly pseudo copy of the recent flick, Shades of Grey with Kelly & Jack, is more than a 360 degree turn around for every character. It would have been better if the group of young actors were to develop a business – say a new computer company with a security branch, that way Kevin could have a top management position; seeing as he’s unemployed a lot of the time (and who pays for his rent and groceries?) Not Michael, given all his problems with cancer, Tracy & Fenn now. Kids of the rich would be having better jobs than either no job or working as a bartender as Noah is under dad’s scrutiny. What’s with that, his dad is either working under Victor’s patriarchal Newman enterprises or has his own business but his son can only BE a bartender?
I sit and shake my head at all of this as it’s rather like a skein of wool all tangled up and no way of sorting it out. That’s how all these story lines are going – more tangles and not much sense to any of them.

Laurie and Wendy, Your posts gave me hope. You both made some excellent points about how women are being portrayed through the quickies and the completely unrealistic insta-weddings. I was disgusted with Billy’s slut-shaming of Chelsea at the altar. All the language coming out of the mouths of characters is so uncharacteristic but Billy’s continual references to Chelsea as a “slut” were utterly disgusting, especially since he cheated as well! What is WORSE is that they wrote Chelsea all demure and ashamed!!! Since WHEN??? She saw them Billy and Victoria with their tongues down each other’s throats. She has been witnessing them getting closer. She did not defend herself ONCE. I have to agree – it makes you think that all of this is a result of a man’s perspective, or a writer who has an antiquated view of a woman’s role on soaps. Also, the yelling match between Avery and Sharon when Avery returned from Chicago and asked Sharon how Dylan’s wallet would have ended up in her hands unless she was on top of him or something along those lines. It struck me as highly out of character for Avery. If Avery were to yell at Sharon, it wouldn’t be with such raunchy language. Maybe for another character, but not Avery. Similarly, the helpless way Abby has been fluttering into the arms of Stitch lately is unlike her. Also, her strong and mostly normal relationship with her mother (if you forget the whole Tucker McCall fiasco) has been completely sullied by the fact that they have no both slept with the same man. When Stitch told Abby about the shower sex with her mom and then Abby confronted Ashley about it in a really sassy way, it was clearly written by someone who doesn’t appreciate the history of their mother-daughter relationship and just sees women as having catty relationships with one another. It seemed highly out of character for Abby to talk to her mom like that since she has always respected her. And Stitch is NOT A PRIZE. Ugh. With Kay gone, Nikki has no strong female friend. And where are the female friendships on this show? There are ZERO. Am I right? Even before this horrible writing regime took over, there were few. We lost Chloe-Chelsea, Kay-Nikki….and you would have thought they would have given Lily a stronger relationship with Sharon given that we were supposed to believe that Sharon and Drucilla were besties. And finally, with Kay gone, the corporate world in GC is once again run by the men. Or one man, that is. The writers may want us to believe that Victoria is a powerhouse but all she does lately is the limbo under Victor’s thumb and she gets her glute workouts by standing up and sitting down in what used to be Ashley’s chair. And where the heck is JILL? And Gloria? Why can’t Ashley be CEO? Why do women with successful careers always have to lose their babies? (Avery, Christine, and… Read more »

Laurie…about the insta-weddings. Good observation, especially with all of the hoop-la over Luke and Laura recently, which included reference to their incredible wedding. It was huge at the time. But even GH has digressed with Franco humiliating Carly at their wedding, and now potentially Rick and Nina…and don’t let me get started on this convoluted storyline.

I might be off here because I’m not an expert on past soap writers/originators, but I seem to have heard the successful ones from the past were women, when it was more romantic and there was more romance, and stronger female characters. Before Pratt and Ron C. That may also be part of the difference and problem.

Lol, Marsha…..I don’t know HOW to take that remark…you’re funny with your puns. Well, unless it’s my dirty mind. Lol.

What mystery, we all know fake Jack killed them because Austin got it on tape that there was two Jack’s in the park that night, and then Courtney saw the same thing. We don’t know who fake Jack is right now, but obviously he will be someone really dangerous, acting without Victor say so, if he thought he was discovered. If it isn’t fake Jack I would really be surprised that they actually could have me fall for a red herring, but unless something else turns up, my money is on fake Jack.

Agree. Seems like the sentiment here is really so accurate that the storyline of these 2 murders, aka like the old Hardy Boys only with girls too, is just beyond any intelligent reasoning of plot. Anyway who cheats on an exam doesn’t end up being involved in a crime syndicate and fears for his life without doing their bidding. Come on! That’s like someone in the writing group is living in another world or at least never attended a college or university! It’s at the point now that no one gives a damn about this happening: the deaths, the mystery computer information, Ryan’s stupid behaviour with Summer, Stitches concern for Abby when all he was interested in was ‘well we all know given his now track record with women and not to mention Fenn’s new silliness. It needs to stop yesterday.

Yeah, I think it’s Marco AKA Jack. The whole tale is so convoluted. Fen was on the straight and narrow. For him to change a grade (suddenly he became a computer genius?) does not jive with how he is now.

As new Jack would say, Ay Carumba! Es muy mal.

LOL, Mary, that is so apropos….deliciously funny . I love it…!!!!

Absolutely agree.

Sex, just for sex sake has its place in soaps, but not when you are trying to build a couple. I enjoyed Adam and Sage’s romp because they were both desperate. I even enjoyed Adam and Chelsea’s romp because she was hurt and well, he is Adam and this is supposedly the woman he adores so it makes sense.

But I am glad you and others agree that this is not romance. Sometimes I fear I have become too old in my thinking. 🙂 And I wholeheartedly agree about Abby and Ben — just awful.

Well, Mary…I guess I’m a little slow…LOL. What can I say.
It just dawned on me that Fake Jack is Marco. I still think this storyline is as stupid as the Fluke’s storyline. I don’t know if I can handle it. I always had a dislike of Jack as it is, now, even more. I loathe him as much as Victor. Jack’s past is not so pristine.

Will Victor finally go to jail? He brought Marco back, so , he is just as guilty of the murders. He may not have pulled the trigger….buuuut…..

Now that Paul has a clue…Duh….he just had to tell Dylan, right? Hmmm…..Well, it goes without saying that Woody (as suggested by Marsha, LOL) , will be the hero. He will corral Marco…yeayyyyy! NOT!
How convenient that there are no pictures of this guy. C’mon.!!

Yes– for example: Sharon was working for Chelsea– is she going back? Or how about finding her another career? Show the struggles and successes of people who can actually reinvent themselves. When she was introduced as a character in college, I don’t recall if she graduated with a degree. Make her a successful woman!

Whoops, last sentence, meant to read “for the characters known so well to them.”

I’ll chime in as well on the Bill Bell vision– Sharon was always someone we rooted for, a strong woman. I can’t even envision how to turn things around… maybe a political story? What I do know is Y and R NEEDS REFRESHING STORIES. You’d think they’d have the brains to tackle issues like random violence and senseless police brutality in this country, or gun control legislation? How about stories on education– like STEM classes at the high school level or collegiate level? Or excessive state and national testing? Or children and vaccinations and whether or not they cause autism? DO THE WRITERS READ NEWSPAPERS FOR STORYLINE IDEAS THAT CAN AFFECT EVERYDAY AMERICANS (and hence, their viewers?) THIS IS MIDWEST AMERICA– and the topics I just mentioned are very real issues now only in the Chicagoland area, but throughout our country. These can be very riveting stories if they are well-researched and tastefully outlined.

Ron, excellent points. Goodness knows those issues you outlined are central to the US today. Even the issue of health care, mental health care where so many folks fall through the cracks or else don’t continue with the care they require. Even focus on addictive behaviours such a attention seeking, sex addictions with the never emerging STD’s and on YR only whoops pregnancies. The obvious alcohol addiction is the only one, aside from gambling addiction of Billy’s years back, are the only two seeming to make it into a storyline. There are quite a few characters on YR who were truly not wanted children and even that topic could be explored with the now adult children and have good influence on their behaviours.
It also seems that Victor’s most psychopathic type behaviour is all okay for long story lines and never does he seem to be made accountable and his behaviour then is escalating which is power tripping at no expense as another addictive behaviour.
Just maybe the writers and Pratt & Phelps never watch the news or read newspapers, which would explain the truly asinine, out of the world plots on the show today and recently.
Do wish there was a way for all these very insightful comments here to be sent to Phelps or Pratt or even a few of the writers. Maybe it would make them sit up and notice they could be doing a much better job and more in line with the long term vision of Bill Bell which did continue for many years. Sadly not now and unless there is a huge shake-up, doubt it will change in the near future.

Wendy, hi..

it is a soap, it is entertainment, it is all based on fantasy/make believe..
Soaps are not medical journals nor documentaries..
They are not real life, they are mostly BS .. LOL

Soaps are not PSA’s .. they are simply campy entertainment..
I do not expect too much from a soap outside of soap world entertainment and I would not care to watch soap writers attempting to be Physiatrists, Doctors, Lawyers, and science engineers, they would never get right lol they are best at doing what they do- write make believe stories to entertain.. 🙂

It’s great to see the varied opinions on this comment page. I have to wonder suOOOO how long you’ve been watching YR. This daytime drama for those of us who’ve watched for decades, the essence of YR has completely changed as other have commented very astutely. Of course, it’s entertainment BUT years ago, the story lines were continuous in dealing with various emotional issues. An example would be with Cassie’s death due to drinking and then her driving a car (without a licence) due to Daniel being drunk and the result was she died. The show also explored so well the resultant grief, as was done with Colleen’s death too. The characters of Sharon, Nick and Tracy were allowed as the characters being parents to flounder, to express the myriad of emotionality of losing a child.
Recently, on YR there were two deaths, a few scenes of grief, a bit of anger and that was it. Goodness, Summer was getting so cosy with Ryan within a week or so after her husband was murdered. Her finding out about his infidelity, his resentment toward her family could have been explored more fully, and would have been IF this storyline had happened before this new format of choppy scenes, quickly moving plots, no depth to the essence of emotions.
Thankfully even those this is the situation at YR now with the writers, the better actors are able to add there excellence as character actors to infuse scenes with the emotionality we have grown to expect and miss dearly on this rapid fire story lines with extras added in that make so little sense.
This show has been great due to the great writers of the past, great progression of the character’s base and sensible story lines. Unfortunately, in many cases this is missing on YR in so many scenes, as others have stated here.

Ron, you make such great points! It seems that the writers are writing for a reality TV audience that watches Real Housewives or the Bachelor where the storyline/script just flatlines at the very basic: catfights, casual sex, lotsa lip gloss!

Chelsea was a con artist turned fashion designer. What have they done with Sharon? Nothing. She should be touring the country speaking in high schools about the dangers of driving drunk given how Cassie died. She could be doing so much more.

And I’ve said this before, I’ll say it again: why is Faith constantly being plyed with giant cookies and milkshakes? Or she is always at a sleepover? How hard is it to write a different line every now and then: “Faith is at THE LIBRARY”. Or Faith is working on her SCIENCE FAIR PROJECT: how to keep women away from her father. Or, Faith is eating carrots with hummus. Or Faith is learning Chinese. See? Was that so frigging hard????

We really are pretty well on the same page about this topic. I love the comments as it brings up some great ideas for better writing than we, the viewers, are getting currently on the show. With Sharon’s experiences as both a mom of a young adult, Noah, and Faith, she indeed could be a great spokesperson for school appearances and maybe could even team up with Nikki, as she doesn’t have much of a role these days. It could be a new duo, where in the past, Nikki has been so full of vitriol for Sharon, often without real cause. To see these two women even maybe create a a foundation against drinking and driving (seeing as sober Nikki & drunk Neil injured Christine and caused her miscarriage) even the three of them could join forces. Even a more realistic and sensible pair could be Sharon & Neil, seeing as he’s not exactly one day away from an engagement like Dylan was last week before bedding Sharon. And as far as Phyllis goes, what the heck is she doing these days for a purpose in life? Following fake Jack around bolstering him every which way possible. I keep thinking that the intimacy of the manipulated fake Jack with Phyllis is actually criminal rape as it’s a person who isn’t even someone she knows! Whatever will happen with Phyllis when that truth comes out! She could team up with Chelsea, currently an adversary due to Billy & her at the wedding, but maybe they could open up a fashion school and then give Summer, Abby a purpose too on the show instead of just running around with scared looks on their faces and asinine script.
It really needs a total revamping.
I think those of us here given a chance could turn around these plots that really are so silly, insulting to long-time viewers.
If I didn’t have so much respect for the actors themselves, plus invested years watching the show, I’d easily stop watching for awhile as I find it tedious to tolerate the Hardy Boys/Girls story and the Jack SL too. All so very ridiculous.