Not to make this a “Revenge” thread, but it is awfully difficult to keep a scorecard as to whom is good or bad on that show! Everyone is pretty suspect, although I do consider Nolan to be a sweetheart (albeit a devious one!) and the jury is still out on Patrick….I think there is much more to him than meets the eye, and who he is really playing has yet to be determined. That being said, I do believe that there is a sincere bond between those two, but their various loyalties tend to keep both on their toes, clever boys that they are!!!! All I was implying was that I find them to be quite an attractive, intelligent and intriguing duo…not the usual stereotypes, which makes for an interesting and enjoyable viewing experience. As for the GHers, well, they have been played for laughs…and displayed some truly deplorable behavior, too. Brad was a sleazy creep from Day One, and Felix is most annoying and often downright rude in his non-stop worship and defense of the babymama, not to mention his less than compassionate attitude toward Robin, which is totally disgusting. Many of us find neither Mr. Cooper nor Mr. DuBois to be very endearing, and that is not based simply upon their less than stunning appearances, but their really rotten actions. Warm and fuzzy they are not, so let’s stop pretending that they are really great guys!!!!! I wouldn’t wish either one of them on Lucas, no matter how he is portrayed!!!!

@rebecca1….Who can really say why one viewer takes to a character and another finds them instantly insufferable? It’s certainly not as simplistic as saying you like someone based upon whether they are good or bad in nature. There are “good” characters that I adore and cheer (Anna and Mrs. Hughes on “Downton Abbey,” the late Lila Quartermaine, Alice and Spinelli on GH, plus other examples too numerous to mention) and there are bad characters in which I revel and love (such as Port Charles’ Dr. O. and Heather, plus “Revenge’s” Victoria, etc.) All I know is that this “Sobby” situation is one that has truly ignited very vociferous responses on both the pro and con sides. I have never loathed a role/storyline on a soap as much as hers….and that does extend to others in her orbit, so yes, that also offers a clue as to some of my antipathy toward Felix. Both annoy me to no end, and not until I started reading a lot of other soap comment sites did I realize that I was in such crowded company!!!! I have tried (apparently in vain….) many times to verbalize the hows and whys of my objections to diehard fans of this actress, character, plot, et al…all I can say is that some seemed to have truly bought into this highly improbable and from my viewpoint, ridiculous fairytale, and are enchanted by the whole idea of this silly girl who would be more at home on a Disney sitcom than an adult soap opera. I’ve never witnessed a more immature, out-of-place and predictable year of pablum in my life than where the “Putrina” pairing was concerned, and after finally achieving the much-desired Scorpio-Drake reunion, to arbitrarily throw in a completely unnecessary, insulting and ludicrous pregnancy just took the cake for a lot of us….to even have to witness this latest travesty is enough to make me want to hurl or at the very least, shut off the show! (I’ve skipped it twice in the past week because of this absurd content….) So, yeah, maybe it is inexplicable to those such as yourself who passionately defend this particular part of the GH saga which has sent normally mild-mannered people into such a sarcastic and snarky snit, but it just is what it is….a visceral, honest and at least for me, isolated but perfectly reasonable reaction!!! As for the original premise of pinning the “clown” label on Felix and Brad, I again say it is more a matter of their actions and attitudes, not appearance or level of attractiveness, but for those who do find these two goofy guys to be endearing, I suppose that elucidation will not suffice. All I can add is that I just hope that the return of Lucas shows a different facet of the subculture to which he belongs…one more dignified, gracious, professional and serious, that’s all. Having said that, it has been an enjoyable experience debating with you, since we seem to have quite a few programming choices, albeit not a plethora of opinions, in common! I look forward to further discussions ( if not regarding this subject, then others) with you, as you’re such a worthy and well-spoken sparring partner!

Haha! I love how the definition of who’s a “clown” and who’s “worthy” comes down to looks. Shay, if you’re using Patrick as a standup example of who’s worthy I think you need to take another look at the show.

Yes, I LOVE LOOKING at him; he’s gorgeous! And I LOVE Nolan…in every regard. The two of them together are quite the eye candy. But “classy?” Patrick is a murderer who’s betrayed Nolan more than once. So, yes, while I need my fix…and I love seeing what’s going to happen next…and also secretly hope that Patrick turns out to be a good guy…at this point I’d find it a tad of a stretch to put any accolades on him other than beautiful.

“Mr. DuBois” is Sabrina’s Nolan…and while he’s not the “looker” (in my opinion) that Nolan is…he’s no clown. He’s less slick on the outside (although he’d beg to differ!) but he’s a quality “character.”

Truth be told? I wouldn’t mind seeing some new “hottie” come to town to pair up with Lucas…who doesn’t want to see gorgeousness multiplied? But I resent the clown reference to these two other characters…yeah, they’re fun and silly…but they’ve got depth, heart and quite a bit of intelligence.

But then again I like Sabrina. And some others don’t…

I always find it funny when someone categorizes one character as bad, evil, unscrupulous, or as you put it Shay…having “rotten actions.” How many times on GH has Tracy, Carly, Sonny judged AJ? A manipulatiavve bitch, a woman who slept with her mother’s husband, and a murderer…judge AJ…and there are fans who agree with them!

In the same vein…back to REVENGE…almost all the characters, with the exception of Jack and his new girlfriend…ar devious. I LOVE Nolan…I think he’s the best! But Patrick? He killed a man for him mom…and just bashed Nolan in the head for her. So…yeah, he’s gorgeous…talented…more than great to look at…but in terms of character I’d still say Felix on GH is a “better man.”

Yes, Felix has been played to some degree for comic effect…but I think he’s evolved. When they first introduced him he was so “back-in-the-day” stereotypical…but he’s shown how caring he is…toward Sabrina and his sister…I don’t find him to be intrusive…I find him to be Sabrina’s rock. Even his attitude toward Brad…he loathed him for his “dastardly deeds” but had empathy when he realized there was more to the guy.

So, let’s call it what it is. Those who want to see Lucas with someone else are talking strictly about looks. And that’s fine. Just own it.