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ATWT's head scribe, Passanante on why the decision to kill Reid and the end of Luke's story!

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Photo Credit: JPI Studios

The one person (sans Chris Goutman) everyone was hoping to hear from since the ending of As the World Turns, head writer, Jean Passanante has surfaced for a doozy of an interview with the LGBT Entertainment News site, AfterElton.com. In it, she opened up about the decision to “kill-off ” Reid, leave Luke bereft and alone, and assorted other questions that have been maddening, and frustrating  for most LuRE, Nuke, straight and gay viewers,  in one way or another.  Here we go with some stunner excerpts below!

Passanante if she is aware of the huge fan backlash from killing Reid: “I am aware of it. I was at the Paley Center doing a panel and a couple of people kind of accosted me – this is before it even aired. … The fact that it happened to be a gay guy that died is completely arbitrary and coincidental. I’m a little stunned that there’s this attitude that, you know, we can’t interrupt a gay romance, as if we haven’t done exactly that with straight romances.”

Passanante on if she understood how upsetting it was to kill one of the gay characters off the show who were in love: “We have three gay characters on the show, and one of them died, so I don’t think we can be blamed for killing off the gay characters because we don’t know what to do with them. We certainly have the sense that Luke will go on and he’s proudly gay and openly out and everything else, and that Noah is as well, and that their lives will continue and perhaps intersect.  Never ever ever crossing anyone’s mind was ‘Oh thank God, let’s get rid of the gay guy before he can have a really great relationship with Luke.’ It just couldn’t be further from the truth. We had a great couple there and we knew it. We were killing ourselves that the show was coming to an end because let me tell you, I would have loved to have written the hell out of that thing for you. Really.  So it wasn’t something we set out to do to annihilate the gay guy, and people must know that. If it did add to a media stereotype, of course that’s horrible and I do feel terrible about that, but that was certainly never the intention. I do think we got a great story out of him and he became kind of a heroic character.”

Passanante on what she may have done differently looking back now, regarding the end of Reid: “Emotionally, watching the goodbye scenes with Reid, I thought ‘oh God, we could have had another week out of them.’ So believe me, I understand. I’m crying thinking about it. But you do make a lot of sacrifices for story and I do think we would have done the same thing if it’d been a straight guy and a straight woman, you know, in a similar kind of a romance. We probably would have played it exactly the same way. That’s all I can say, and yes, it’s easy for me to say from the perspective of not being gay.”

Make sure to read the full feature with Jean on more of her thoughts on the decision making process of the final story involving, Luke, Reid and Noah.   Then, let us know if you are satisified with the explanation, or not.

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mmc

Some of her comments are ridiculous.How many gay storylines are on tv?And not only were luke and reid so loved as a couple to kill reid was really sad.These writers and TPTB weren’t listening to whst the fans wanted. if they had listened or cared Reid would still be alive.I think when they wrote this Luke and Reid story they wrote a “nice’ love story for two gay men who fall in love.But the chemistry between Luke and Reid was so strong and the screen actually sizzled when they looked at each other, smiled at each other, and when they… Read more »

JenA
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JenA

I think you are right on. And the thing that Passanante and her ilk won’t admit is that they treat the gay storylines completely differently from straight ones. She can cite other examples of them killing off straights and not giving them happy endings, but at least those characters first got to have some fulfilling times together. Examples: Katie and Brad were lovers and married before he was brutally killed off. Luke and Reid got months of drawn out stumbling blocks to their relationship starting and did not get to have sex before Reid was killed off. BIG disappointment for… Read more »

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thesaneone

It sounds more like you have closed your minds to anything Passnante has to say that isn’t what you want to hear. The ending of the entire story is bigger than just one storyline. Reid’s death played into the storylines of most of the final actors, i.e. Chris’ living, Bob’s eventual successor, the improtance of John’s return. Also it was in keeping with honoring Reid’s emerging caring for others, that he would be heroic in his determination that his heart would go to Chris. I have never been a fan of Reid, and the relationship between him and Luke never… Read more »

JenA
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JenA

thesaneone-you said it all as to YOUR agenda when you stated that you did not like Reid nor believe his relationship with Luke- that is why you were not bothered when they stupidly transformed Reid’s character from a fleshed out one who was just looking for a loving relationship to basically a red-shirt who was going to be killed off for a stupid larger story arc. I and many others on the other hand loved Reid to pieces, and hated seeing such a pointless and unnecessary warping of his character and his SL. And if the writers had really wanted… Read more »

traciamc
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traciamc

I don’t believe one word this woman says. You’re going to tell me that she’s worked on this gay storyline for years and is unaware of the stigma of leaving this show with all of the gay characters unhappy…when every other straight person has a happy ending? Saying that if Reid had lived, she wanted to continue to “write the hell out of it”. There is absolutely no explanation that makes any sense as to why they HAD to kill Reid off to save worthless Chris Hughes. I call bullshit.

Mary P
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Mary P

Are we really supposed to believe that JP didn’t have a clue to how the fans would react to them killing off 1/3 of the gay characters and give all three miserable ending (Reid dead, Luke grieving the love of his life, Noah still in love with Luke and not being able to move on) and then give happy endings to all the straight characters? I can’t believe that she was that ignorant. For if she truly was ignorant about how it would go over, then she either did not know the audience that was watching or just did not… Read more »

Raj
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Raj

Words fail me, never read such rubbish in my life. Oh boy is my blood boiling.
Thanks Michael as always.

Karina
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Karina

+1

Anything that woman says now just leaves me cold. Utter rubbish.

Karen (limeybird2)
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Karen (limeybird2)

JP is so out of touch with the fans of soap operas. I can’t believe she honestly thought she was doing a great job with this story. If she wanted to tell a great story she should of done something different & had Luke & Reid together & happy & building their lives together instead of killing off his neurosurgeon boyfriend who he just fell in love with after an emotionally abusive relationship he just got out from. She’s been nurturing this story of Luke’s for years now & she had to of known what kind of backlash she would… Read more »

thesaneone
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thesaneone

What backlash! the show is OVER. A couple of fans confronting JP on one occassion, does not a backlash make. Listen cry babies, it’s time to grow up and pull your thumbs out of your mouths. I think that all the fighting between you Lure people and the NUKE people (one of whom, I am), played a role in the choice to leave Luke without either man. But I must say, they left the door open for NUKE…YEAH! YEAH! YEAH!

Karen (limeybird2)
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Karen (limeybird2)

if it makes you feel better to think Luke would go back to Noah, go right ahead. unfortunately we both got screwed & the only people on the show that didn’t get a happy ending is the 3 gay guys.
JP & CG screwed the storyline up & didn’t want to admit it. JP was blaming everyone else for her not doing her job of head writer. first blaming the “gay” writers on her staff for not telling her this was wrong, then blaming it on Lucky Gold who was 2nd in charge for writing the story.

Craig
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Craig

Missing the mark , And looking completely ignorant.

mmc
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mmc

Thats why you don’t see anything wrong with Reid dying( because you’re a nuke fan).Luke and Noah became boring and they didn’t bring out the best in each other like Luke and Reid did.There was no reason to sacrifice Reid and Lukes love story.And that’s what it was , a mature love story between two men who brought out the best in each other.and the chemistry between them was beautiful to see.And Noah and Luke would never get together again except as friends.Luke learned from Reid what real love and respect was.And it’s not a couple of fans that are… Read more »

Lexii314
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Lexii314

If you ask me Noah is the only character that made out like a bandit. Get’s to go to LA and live out his dream. Too bad I’ve just never ever cared for him.

Mark
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Mark

This woman is as dumb as a box of hair. I never believed she was intentionally homophobic, but she is incredibly ignorant; the quote about her being stunned that people think they can’t ruin gay romances when they do it to straight ones all the time, is a perfect example. She’s assuming a level playing field when there isn’t one, and that is supremely disingenuous. Actually, that’s probably giving her too much credit. Jean, do us a favor and stick to writing straight characters. When it comes to gay ones, you clearly have no idea what you’re doing.

tina
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tina

I’ve said it before, Luke and Reid were the most beautiful and captivating love story I have had the pleasure of watching. To me and many viewers I did not see a gay love story, just a story of 2 people falling in love and becoming better because of it. Luke matured so much having Reid a part of his life. They were the perfect compliment to one another. Watching the character of Reid open up and become vulnerable and be willing to fight against everything he was afraid of to be able start a life with Luke was beautiful.… Read more »

thesaneone
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thesaneone

I love how you over use the word MATURE, we get it. You are so typical of the fans who see what they want. Luke and Reid hadn’t been together long enough for us to see Luke display this more matured self, you speak of. Wouldn’t he have matured on his own as he lived his life. It’s a real stretch to declare that Saint Reid saved poor, sinner boy Luke from permanent childhood. It’s the things we go through and learn from that really bring us the gift of maturity. And if Reid help Luke grow up at all… Read more »

mmc
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mmc

You talk about some of us only seeing what we want….look at you…you only wanted Luke to end up with Noah no matter what.That would never have happened.Noah never really appreciated Luke and Luke outgrew Noah.It didn’t matter that Reid and Lukes relationship was just starting, when it’s right ,it’s right! Love just happens and it happened.It made them both better people.and the show was ending…everybody should have had a happy endingThe fans have spoken….Luke and Reid had the love story of a lifetime and they broke the gay stereotype. I think that you should let go of your delusions… Read more »

Lexii314
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Lexii314

So true! They where the best thing to ever happen to ATWT in the 40 years I’ve been watching. Luke and Reid where the only reason my sister and I where even paying any attention to the show. Killing Reid off in this disgusting way made me hate everything that came after. This women is dispensable.

Mary
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Mary

Wow! I would have expected an apology for bad planning, horrible cruelty in killing a character, and thoughtlessness. But of course not, just more evidence of why this show was canceled. First of all, I can’t imagine a scenario where the writers would have left Carly standing in a hospital, just having found out that Jack was going to die, with John Dixon complaining there would be no heart for Chris Hughes, then having Tom badger her to sign papers to give up Jack’s heart to Chris, and then everyone proceed to abandon her while they go about taking care… Read more »

skye
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skye

of course i’m not satisfied with the explanations! (1) can’t believe she tried to dodge behind the fact that gay writers on staff didn’t object to the s/l. what were they supposed to do – tell their bosses they’re committing the biggest blunder ever? (2) she said “readers can’t be so naive to think we can do whatever we want” and then refused to say more about exactly what limits were put on them. (3) it’s hypocritical to insist “if it were a straight couple we’d make the same decisions.” no you wouldn’t. i’d like to know which straight couples… Read more »

Teri
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Teri

Not sure what is worse the ‘we didn’t know we were feeding into a cultural bias’ (bad ending for gay characters) or the constant ‘if the show wasn’t ending Reid would be their for a long long time.’ Makes it seem like it was just don’t for shock value. The other thing that irritates me was ‘we didn’t set out to hurt anyone’. Seriously what did they thing would happen? We would jump for joy when they heaped unnecessary tragedy on top of the pain of Nancy’s death and the loss of the show? Very short sighted and out of… Read more »

Kellie
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Kellie

I think one of the reasons why this is so hard to take is because it’s almost like Passanante and the other writers were saying that Luke and Reid’s relationship, and Reid’s life, were not as important as Chris and Katie’s relationship, or Chris’ life. They even had Luke utter a few lines that seemed to support this point. Instead of focusing Reid’s last few moments on Luke, he was worried about Chris. In the weeks leading up to the accident, Reid was more focused on Chris and Katie, than he was on his own life. He shot down Luke’s… Read more »

elphau
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elphau

OMG !!! your last section about how unworthy was scumbag chris was so so so right !!! a big AMEN to that sister!!! BULLS EYE.

JenA
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JenA

Couldn’t have stated it better myself!!!!

sarah
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sarah

THIS!! Very well said , couldn’t agree more !!

traciamc
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traciamc

Absolutely! That’s one of the things that pisses me off the most – how undeserving self-serving Chris is!

Tom
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Tom

Shattering comment, it ought to sting like hell if the writers read it. Of course the ungrateful Chris now no longer wants the job he competed with Reid for! Even after Reid gave him life – his wretched lack of concern is horrifying and just about what you would expect them to do – throw that back in Luke’s face after he championed this loser to the people making the selection of Chief of Staff. Feels like salt on the wound to me!

Robinegg
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Robinegg

Wonderfully stated, Kellie. And all so very sad and true. We lost a fleshed-out genuine interesting character for Chris There is nothing in there that is right.

Elena
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Elena

omg i didn’t even see that! now i hate chris more than i thought possible! what a disgusting ending! i really hated chris, he was such an asshole, selfish and uncaring. Reid was the opposite. *cries*

thesaneone
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thesaneone

WOW You really have thought this out! I agree there is the presumption that somehow Christ and Katie are more important than Luke and Reid and on that premise, I greatly protest. I’m still not sure as many seem to be, that JP was making a gay verses straight relationship choice. For years the writers have had no problem writing Luke and Noah as a true couple. Not only so but that were given the support of family and friends. I believe that JP was loyal to her first creation, LUKE and NOAH. And that she was never truly invested… Read more »

mmc
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mmc

To the sane one, you are still delusional if you think Luke would ever have gotten back with Noah.Luke and Reid were like two pieces in a puzzle, they fit together so perfectly.Luke had out grown Noah…he fell in love with a man and he became a man because of it.Sure Luke would always have a place in his heart for Noah, a memory of the past, while with Reid, he shared the present and should have shared the future! Theirs was a true love story and i will never forgive the writers for being so insensitve to the fans.We… Read more »

cara
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cara

First the comment about only killing off one of the gay characters so that doesn’t count. Wow! I guess Luke & Noah can count themselves lucky her poison pen didn’t do them in. JP seems absolutely clueless that when you start off with an unlevel playing field for the gay players (intimacy blocks, propping Chris/Katie instead of allowing the LuRe romance, no sex, no airtime & more) & then you pile on death by train, Luke left by himself in the hospital with people fighting over organs & in the end you have Luke still grieving, it looks a little… Read more »

Fran
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Fran

Oh, the train thing really gets my goat. How contrived and stupid is that? And it’s clear they did no research at all on heart transplants. No LVAD, no heart. If they can’t risk doing the surgery for an LVAD, they sure couldn’t do a transplant. All they had to do was go to the Mayo Clinic’s site or any other transplant center’s site to see protocol, not to mention protocol concerning the donor registry. It took me all of two hours at most to go to those sites and find the info, but I guess they think we are… Read more »

Lexii314
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Lexii314

It’s disgusting how little they did in the way of research. It would have made more sense if *aliens* came and took Reid away.

Michelle
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Michelle

Why beat around the bush. You TPTB knew exactly what you were doing and honestly didn’t give a damn about either one of the fan bases. You have ruined the only soap that I even watched since GL. Now I have no soaps to watch because I don’t like any of the other network soaps. I honestly feel sorry for the people at OLTL. It’s only a matter of time. I honestly don’t beleive that anyone tried to save this show. Remember it was Les Moonves that said ATWT wasn’t special enough to be saved. We’ll see how special that… Read more »

traciamc
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traciamc

I couldn’t agree with you more! I also have watched this show for many, many years, and it was Eric who came on and made this show better. Even Van’s acting had seemed more like he was going through the motions, but when Eric showed up, that changed. Not only did Eric and Van’s chemistry sizzle on the screen, but really it seemed like everyone Eric worked with was better when working with him! Defnite Emmy material!

Lynne
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Lynne

I agree totally, Tina, Michelle and so many others who have written in. I am sick at heart, and I cannot seem to lose those bereft feelings. I’m finding myself in tears frequently when thoughts of Reid and Luke come to me. The storyline connected with so many people, straight and gay. The sexiest scene was when Reid looked up at Luke at Metro and said, “I’m changing, that’s for sure. Cuz I’ve you to thank for that.” The look they shared was certainly a defining moment of intimacy. Too bad the writers wouldn’t let the two act upon it.… Read more »

mariophilippo
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mariophilippo

WELL SAID BUT IT SHOULD BE TAKEN TO THE GAY RIGHTS COMETTE IN BRUSSELS THESE CASE IF WE DONT ALL DEMAND A REWRITE AND AN ALTERNATIVE ENDING,LETS PLAY HARDBALL AND SEE WHAT THEY HAVE TO SAY ABOUT IT!

Doe
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Doe

She can say anything now, it’s all hindsight. We will believe what what we will!

Sandra
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Sandra

The more comments I read from the producers and writers of this show, the more it is apparent that they do not know their audience or their product. The ending for Luke and Reid was sadistic and pointless and only served to alienate long time viewers like me. The writers completely botched a wonderful and potentially groundbreaking story and despite the outcry from fans they are still clueless about what they did wrong or how to “fix” it. At this point I think the best thing the writers and producers can do since they all seem completely unable to even… Read more »

elphau
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elphau

this is the replies to the fan? who does she think we are? 3 year old? she expects the fan to buy this explanation? who are she kidding with? really? she didn’t say anything about why she had to kill Reid off. which is what the fans are asking. why was it necessary that someone had to die? i don’t get it. from the way i look at it, no one needed to die. don’t tell me it’s meant to be a dramatic impact for the ending of the show. cause you can see how lame & how rush they… Read more »

mmc
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mmc

Look ar my post at the top of this page.As i said they wrote a “nice’ gay storyline, but as soon as the chemistry started with these two the writers or TPTB put the brakes on.isn’t that sad?for once there was a lovely gay storyline and not a stereotype and once they went from generic to sizzling ,they killed Reid.they can talk from now unti doomsday and i don’t care what they say, they did such a disservice to all the loyal fans and a wonderful love story that was like no other!

elphau
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elphau

i’m afraid you are totally right. a decent gay love story and 2 amazing talented actors who were like no others were just too much for them to handle.
now we can stop asking why did the show end….. incompetence and incapability of the writers.

tina
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tina

Mature..are you kidding me? We have watched Luke mature before our eyes in the last 4 months. He went from feeling guilty over Noah’s accident and begging for Noah’s love and forgiveness and trying to mold himsef into whatever Noah needed. He was emotionally put through the ringer trying to decide between his relationship with Noah and what he was feeling for Reid. We saw him in turmoil over not wanting to leave something he thought would last forever to realizing he could move on with Reid. We saw him mature by finally forgiving himself that it was an accident… Read more »

mmc
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mmc

I agree, the worst ending ever ! And i never want to look at a baby rattle ever again!

Lexii314
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Lexii314

That baby rattle had to be the worst, most contrived and stupid thing ever! I’m an artist and My husband and I have landed in paint! That never made us stop. So freaking stupid.

MC Solano
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MC Solano

Love your explanations on Luke’s growth – so true. And notice how Luke starts out by questioning his decisions – like talking to the little girl’s dad, telling Chris he knows about the heart problem, etc… He’s worried that Reid will turn away (like N frequently did) – but Reid lets him be himself, and this allows Luke to be more selfconfident. They encouraged each other’s growth – true sign of mature love!

Rene
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Rene

Wow, I did not think I could be more angry, but, yeah, I am. I just cannot believe someone who has been writing soaps for this long does not understand the stereotypes that are out there regarding killing off gays to prop up heterosexuals. The fact also that she knew how much Reid was loved by the fans also bewilders me. How they could be so ruthless to the viewers at the end of this long-running soap and not only kill a beloved character but in such a brutal way infuriates me beyond belief and continues two weeks later to… Read more »

Lexii314
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Lexii314

My anger increases everyday. When ever I wake up and remember that Reid is dead. When I think about his body being gutted. The way they so absolutely and finitely killed him . How they shamelessly slaughtered him and dare to lie to us about what they did and why. When I think about Luke grieving. When I imagine all the things that Lure could and would be. I am very bitter. 40 years with this show and I am left with nothing but a anger and resentment.

George
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George

JP, you are lying through your teeth. You have the nerve to say, that killing of Reid was coincidental and you feel the pain of the viewers. No, killing off Reid was intentional, and you definitely have 0% empathy for the viewers and fans. You want to know how badly your pathetic plot has stung LURE fans world-wide. Here it is: Imagine an innocent puppy being mercillessly stoned to death, and now imagine something that is 10 times worse. That is how much your writing has hurt and pained the loyal and faithful fans of Luke, Noah, and Reid who… Read more »

Elena
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Elena

wow George that was beautifully said. except the part about the puppy, hurt to think about it. but yeah it’s 10 times worse with Reid! 🙁 i tried to watch the ending but i physically couldn’t. i would have to be sedated and have my teddybear. lol.

Luke *was* matured, Reid’s death made him just devastated. pointlessly.

George
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George

Elena: Sorry about the puppy analogy. My GF and me are really, really mad at CG, JP, and TPTB for mercilessly destroying LURE and not giving a damn to their loyal fanbase over the years.

George
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George

Oh! I forgot to mention that CG, JP, and whoever was producing, writing, and sponsoring ATWT are 100% homphobic. They may say whatever they want. Their actions have spoken louder than words. They would never have treated any straight couple on ATWT like they did for LURE and NUKE. Every straight couple got a happily ever after. All the three charcaters were given horrible endings.

Amber
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Amber

Said everything I needed on AfterElton so I’ll just repost that: That’s gotta to be the most self-serving, defensive piece of crap I’ve ever read. Gotta love when she called us naive for thinking she had control over her own storylines. I’m finding it really hard to believe she wasn’t aware of the gay cliche, because she executed it to a T, better than recent homophobic efforts. The trifecta: one dead, one alone, one second choice. If she truly didn’t know, she’s the most ignorant woman who ever walked this earth. It’s very clear the show regarded Reid as a… Read more »

Elena
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Elena

funny you mention red shirt since star trek doesn’t have gay characters, unless they’re women and from an evil universe where everything’s twisted. Jean, Christopher and Berman should hit it off! maybe they can write something homophobic together.

Berman, like Passanante and Goutman went against the wishes/advice of the wise old experienced person who cared about the fans and the show. Roddenberry wanted gay characters on the show, considering it was a utopia of civil liberties, and Berman said no, and hijacked the show after Roddenberry’s death. he wouldn’t let a single gay character enter.

Amber
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Amber

Yeah, I remember reading that Roddenberry wanted gay characters in Trek. It would have made perfect sense too, since it’s set in the future. Instead, I had to divine subtext from the Janeway/Seven relationship on Voyager. They were pretty gay, if looked at from a lesbian perspective. Someone on AfterElton called Reid a red shirt, and I just ran with it. Though Trek had no gays, I still think the comparison is pretty apt. TPTB clearly viewed Reid as disposable. What burns me up about so much is up until the train thing, they created this amazingly awesome gay character,… Read more »

Elena
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Elena

yeah red shirt is perfect analogy. except Reid was so much more than a red shirt.

i’m sure she wasn’t ignorant. she’s lying through her teeth.

btw i didn’t notice Janeway and Seven being together cuz i was so into Paris/Kim! they were more blatant than Miles/Julian. it was frustrating! you remember that prison episode?

Violet
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Violet

I didn’t think I could possibly be *more* pissed off than I was after Reid’s death aired, but I was wrong. Amazing work, Jean. If the show hadn’t been cancelled, she would have “written the hell out” of this story? So explain why the last two months of LuRe’s story were about Chris and Katie, and why they were on two days a week (in a good week) right through to the end. She didn’t even write for them when she had them. As for her proud ignorance of gay storytelling, she should be embarrassed by it, not trumpeting it.… Read more »

playingwithcake
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playingwithcake

IF, and that’s a big big IF… If the gay story lines had been treated the exact same was as the straight story lines… I think I could have been ok with Reid being killed off. I would have still been sad, because I really loved the character and despite horrendous writing, this character has been well written and well developed throughout the few months he was on air. And I would have been sad that Luke would be left alone at the end of the show. But the thing is – the gay story lines were not treated the… Read more »

sarah
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sarah

I actually don’t buy any of her crap!!This woman just seriously pisses me off. She seems like she’s trying really hard to convince everyone of something we all know it’s not.And I’m finding it really hard to believe she wasn’t aware of the gay cliche,she is the most ignorant person ever.All I have to say is they had gold with ESS and Van, and completely blew it.

Garnett77
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Garnett77

I don’t even know where to start with this. I can’t even . . . This woman claims to be a writer and involved in the entertainment business? But she has NO CLUE about the homophobic cliche of leaving the gay characters dead or miserable? I’m sorry but playing dumb isn’t an excuse at this point, it just makes you dumb. Intended or not, it doesn’t make it any less of a cliche. She doesn’t “get” why fans are unhappy? She honestly wants to pretend that they would have done the same thing to a straight couple? That gay couples… Read more »

nancygrew
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nancygrew

You have so many great points. Your last paragraph pointing out the differences beween Chris/Katie and Reid/Luke really nails that even w/o the homophobia, it would have been a horrible story. Chris willfully ignored his health issues and was responsible for his needing a new heart but he’s not the one suffering the consequences. I think Katie’s been married about five times now and after dating a few weeks, she’s ready to marry Chris? That right there isn’t exactly indicative of true love. If TPTB a death, a birth, a wedding, a funeral and a retirement why didn’t they have… Read more »

Violet
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Violet

“the life of a sexually harassing, medical records altering, cheating, medically incompetent straight moron like Chris Hughes is worth more than that of a brilliant gay surgeon. And the happiness of a straight man-eater like Katie who finds “the love of her life” once a year is worth more than that of a sweet guy like Luke.”

EXACTLY. THANK YOU.

Fran
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Fran

I’m not buying it for one second. They didn’t know what to do with Reid because “they” didn’t create him – David did. Too bad he went to AMC before the end of ATWT. I’d love to hear David’s thoughts on killing off one of the best characters that has come along in daytime, especially ATWT. Gabriel and Blackie were useless characters who only infuriated most viewers because they took up too much airtime. Don’t even get me started on the Ciccones. TPTB didn’t even bring back JJ for his parents’ wedding, but mangaged to bring back Iris, another waste… Read more »

traciamc
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traciamc

DWB is at $19,400!

Michelle
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Michelle

Fran I agree with you 100%. You are so right because David Kreizman did create Dr. Reid Oliver. I have also read somewhere that JP is even trying to take the credit for that. For her to say that Reid was killed in order for Luke to grow up is just plain nonsense. We all saw for ourselves that with Reid’s help Luke grew up and became a man and with Luke’s help Reid became a better man. They really did complete each other. They also excepted each other for who they were faults and all. That’s what makes this… Read more »

George
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George

JP says, I’m a little stunned that there’s this attitude that, you know, we can’t interrupt a gay romance, as if we haven’t done exactly that with straight romances.” Okay lets see: ATWT couples – Luke and Reid, Kim and Bob, Katie and Chris, Carly and Jack, Janet and Dusty, Lucinda and John, Lily and Holden, Barbara and Henry, Margo and Tom, Allison and Casey, Emily and Paul, Gwen and Will, Rosanna and Craig LURE is the only gay couple (they already split NUKE about six months ago), all the other couples are straight. Interrupt is not the word, whom… Read more »

sarah
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sarah

That’s clearly what happened !! HOMOPHOBIA and STUPIDITY at their best!!

mmc
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mmc

Everybody else was playing musical beds and yet luke and reid were NEVER able to fully express their love!I will never get over the fact that they gave everybody else a happy ending but luke and reid.Their love story was wonderful to watch unfold.Jean P. and TPTB, you should be ashamed!

KateD
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KateD

Most of my disagreement with this interview has already been articulated by previous posters, so I won’t go over that well-trod ground again. However, something that absolutely angers me is the use of straw arguments by Ms. Passanante to avoid answering the actual question. In all the anger, heartache, and pain I’ve seen on the internet since the rumor of Reid’s demise first broke, not once have I seen someone argue that Reid was killed off because “they didn’t know what to do with the gay characters”. People have complained that the ending was an attempt to avoid choosing between… Read more »

Karen (limeybird2)
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Karen (limeybird2)

that was one of my biggest complaints about the storyline. they did it too soon to Nancy’s death & memorial on the show & it got completely overshadowed by the Chris & Katie show. even the memorial, Chris & Katie got almost as much screentime as the tribute to Nancy. it should of been all Nancy with the other characters remembering her. then you have an ungrateful character who received Reid’s heart who’s not shown remorse for his actions & wasn’t sure he wanted the COS position now that he’s alive. Chris’s character was poorly fleshed out & was never… Read more »

jc1706
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jc1706

Scenario 1: You’re in a crosswalk when a driver intentionally hits and kills you. Scenario 2: You’re in a crosswalk when a driver accidentally hits and kills you. Question: Are you any less dead either way? I’m so sick of listening to these people defend themselves by saying “it wasn’t intentional. We didn’t know.” First of all – bull. Secondly, if they didn’t know, then they’re just beyond stupid and should never have been allowed to write these characters and these stories in the first place. I happen to think she’s lying to cover her ass. It was deliberate cruelty… Read more »

Beth
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Beth

I’m just going to repeat the comment I left on the After Elton site: I don’t believe a word she says. Because it’s not just the fact that they killed Reid that was so very insulting, but the way they did it. They keep on claiming it was a “heroic” death, but that’s a load of crap. Reid offered to run an errand… a very important errand, to be sure, but still an errand. That’s generous, thoughtful, and considerate, but NOT heroic. The fact that the writers then turned Reid into a complete moron who first tried to beat a… Read more »

stephanie
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stephanie

I agree with everything that you have said.
As a straight married person this show and particularly the scene where Reid looks at all of the heterosexual couples just before he goes to Bay City, made me feel dirty and ashamed of who I am.
The fact that TPTB, JP and CG decided to destroy a beautiful love story in favour of HATE upsets me more that I can say.
“They are not at all sorry that their story was homophobic, but they’re very upset to have people call them on it.” This.

Teri
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Teri

Something else that has been bugging me. JP is ‘amazed’ at the attitude that we can’t interrupt the gay couple. Um, this was the end of a show I had watched for 25 years I didn’t want anyone interrupting ANY of the couples gay or straight. Everyone should have gotten, or at least been on their way towards, their HEA. I am all for tragic love stories and angst but the end of the show was NOT the time to tell this story. We are left with no time to grieve, and we don’t get to grieve with Luke. When… Read more »

Lynne
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Lynne

Teri, you are so right — and I’ve watched for the entire 54 years! We get nothing!

mmc
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mmc

I agree,I watched since i was 13 in 1956.Bad enough this beloved show was ending but to have Reid die and to have Luke grieve was so cruel and insensitive.They started with a great storyline and didn’t have the guts to follow through!

hilda
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hilda

I dont want to read anything that woman and Chris Goutman write I wont watch anything that they write ever again.

MCK
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MCK

It’s about building up the best romantic couple ATWT has had in a long time and then not having the guts to folllow through!
Why bother with excellent actors, who had chemistry like a house on fire, why take us on their journey just so tptb could get their dramatic/horrific ending?
This was a love story, gay or straight, Reids death broke my heart!
Come on: either you do things right or why bother?!
The public, ATWT, Luke and Reid deserved better!!!

Fran
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Fran

I have to make another comment after reading the full interview (I didn’t want to get any angrier, but decided to read the whole thing, anyway). Besides be completely ignorant of the fans’ (both gay and straight) perceptions and reaction, she decides to pass the buck when it comes to blame. I know P&G and CBS are guilty of a lot of decisions when it comes to situations such as showing two men or women kissing or more, but THEY did not write this drivel. She can only hide behind them so much. Ultimately, she and CG made the decision… Read more »

elphau
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elphau

hell, i consider myself naive and sometimes stupid, but even i could cut through her BS and see what was really going on.

Diana
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Diana

The bottom line for me is this… There was no need to write a ‘death’ into the end, the show ending was enough of a death for all the fans. Then to have Nancy die, unexpectedly, that just added to the sadness, and that’s all the death that was needed. This ending has left a LOT of fans with this empty feeling for this beautiful couple. Every scene, after Reid’s death, I felt his abscense….the show didn’t feel the same, and I couldn’t really enjoy the last week without being sad. I believe Eric’s character, with the way he portrayed… Read more »

Lexii314
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Lexii314

40 years! I’ve watched that show for 40 years and I have never loved a character on a daytime soap opera as much as I loved Reid Oliver. The closest I’ve ever come was Luke Spencer on general Hospital. The way they ripped him away from us disgusts me to no end. I have not watched one day after his death. I hate JP and CG more then I can ever express in words. I will never, ever watch anything that they are associated with. I feel greatly for anyone watching OLTL.

mmc
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mmc

Does anyone know how i can get videos, Dvds, any clips of scenes between Luke and Reid?They’re on You Tube now, but I think P&G is pulling then in mid October so ATWT and Luke and Reid will be gone forever.It’s another slap in the face to the fans.I’d appreciate any help…It’s bad enough Luke and Reid didn’t have a happy ending , but not to be able to see them any more would be too much.

Lexii314
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Lexii314

I would like to know this myself.

Karen (limeybird2)
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Karen (limeybird2)

the channels made by fans are still gonna be up & won’t be pulled. it’s just telenext that’s doing it.
happyinchintz72, smuchshypush & anthonydlangford’s channels will still be available to watch. i’ve started rewatching them again because i miss them on my tv

reidstheman
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reidstheman

The lovestory between Luke & Reid was just special beyond words and the way they were able to grab a piece of our hearts where no one else had tread says volumes about the talent of these two actors and the magic that happened whenever they were together. I am certain Passante knew how hard the fans had fallen because I read an interview in May where she admitted it. NOah was gone from the show for months and NO ONE missed him. We were just glad he was gone so LuRe could have a relationship. When Luke told NOah… Read more »

mmc
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mmc

Please don’t hold your breath for these things to happen.The death of Reid was a giant slap in the face to all the fans. In my mind i gave Luke and Reid a happily ever after…the writers just had no guts to finish what they startrd with this wonderful love story that got too hot for them to handle!And believe me i know about husbands…mine thinks i should be put in a home because of all the ranting and crying and I’m starting to agree with him!!!!

Elena
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Elena

i would only demand she write a new ending if she was going to reshoot it. if it’s just in writing you better read the amazing amazing slash that is posted in the livejournal LURE community. it’s much better than passanantecrap.

that said i’d like to see her admit her unhonorable intentions in this whole mess!

i like the idea of having them appear on OLTL but i think she’s just gonna mess up that show! what we need is LURE on OLTL WITHOUT that woman writing anything on there!

Lexii314
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Lexii314

I wish David would put them in his Soap. AMC could use a great gay love story. Lure would be perfect. JP would just mess them up. She did not invent the Reid character and she dose not understand him well enough to write him the way he should be written. I would love to see them again. Any soap that has them on would get new viewers by the millions. Lure attracted so many people.

Elena
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Elena

passanante is full of it! and so’s goutman. and so’s the person who let them ruin ATWT’s ending!!! who did let them do this? Reid lives on in our slash community but it still hurts to see Canon go down the tubes cuz of the IIC. do you KNOW how much it hurt passanante? do you? cuz it really fucking hurt. we all fell for Reid, but no you wouldn’t know about love would you? cuz you couldn’t have killed Reid if you did. i still am unable to watch the train scene, now watching any ATWT hurts so much… Read more »

mmc
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mmc

Elena ,the address you gave me was forLluke and Noah.I want Luke and Reid.Do you know of any place i can get them?it’s been posted on some message boards they won’t be on you tube any more after Oct.21I’m not 100% sure of the date.Isn’t that sad?I never dreamed as a long time fan i’d be treated like a total nothing.The writers didn’t care and neither did P7G.Thanks for any help you can give me!

Elena
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Elena

Luke and Reid are on there. even before the links say Luke Noah and Reid, i’m still figuring out where it starts. but start downloading them and see where the beginning is. Reid is there!!! 🙂

Lexii314
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Lexii314

Would you mind please sending me this address also? I am lexii314 on yahoo. Thanks so very much.

Karen (limeybird2)
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Karen (limeybird2)

you can go to happyinchintz72’s channel or smuchshypush’s channel or anthonydlangford’s channel for Luke & Reid’s story. they’ve also done smaller clips like kisses. the only clips being pulled is by telenext, the ones by these are not being pulled.

mmc
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mmc

Karen, are you sure…i heard all clips on you tube are being pulled.So many people have been so upset by this.I do go on all these sites, but according to some …All you tube clips,etc. are going.I wish this could be checked out for sure.Let me know if you hear and thanks…..

Karen (limeybird2)
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Karen (limeybird2)

they’ll still stay up. Megan said she’ll keep her channel up as long as people stlll want to watch the videos.

mmc
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mmc

Thanks karen, I’ll watch these clips as long as i can see.The computer and I have become one!

Elena
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Elena

P and G should be sued for pain and suffering! the shows always belong to the fans, not the IIC. it’s like that biblical baby, belongs to the one who cares about it the most. the fans. i can’t rant about this enough! its such an injustice! you should be dragged to court for this!!! and made to rewrite and reshoot the ending of ATWT!!! and using your own money!!!

you guys can we sue them? somekinda civil suit? Casey help!

reidstheman
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reidstheman

I was saying that myself!!!!! I believe we should launch a civil case against Passante and Goutman for mental abuse UNLESS she writes one more scene and ressurects Reid for the fans AND puts them on OLTL continuing the LuRe love story. They were just getting started and there is so much more to tell. The fans are absolutely mad for them and cant’ get enough. OLTL would certainly soar in the ratings with them on the show. I am also going to contact All My Children to suggest they get LuRe. After all, I hear Kreitzman (who created Reid)… Read more »

Elena
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Elena

omg really? the creator of Reid should do this!

Lexii314
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Lexii314

AGREED!!!!

taradiane
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taradiane

Hell no I’m not satisfied. There were RIDICULOUS issues with timing of other storylines. We had Barbara in a glorified closet for two weeks! Janet on screen 24/7! Katie involved in every single storyline. There were things they could have paced better, things they could have flat out cut, to give one of the best loved characters in the show’s history – Reid – more airtime. He was fiercely loved, despite his short tenure on the show, and when they got word the show was being cancelled, they should have paid more attention to the fans and given us faithful… Read more »

mmc
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mmc

How i would love to see Luke and Reid live happily ever after.To me it wasn’t just a love story but a story of two men who fell in love and became better people because of it.Also then i could sleep peacefully and not be on this damn computer at 2:10 A.M.!!!!

Kim
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Kim

She’s either lying or totally stupid, or both (which is most likely anyway).

Michela
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Michela

This sums it up perfectly.

Lexii314
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Lexii314

I vote for BOTH.

fubar
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fubar

It seems for a professional story teller Ms. Passanante had a remarkably hard time seeing the ending through somebody else’s eyes. Let’s put on the pink glasses and help her, shall we? Reid was killed by the biggest thing a single civilian can be killed by – a train (that was a passenger train btw but since in Oakdale viral infections can be treated with antibiotics, I’m sure nobody else was injured). I’m thinking “overkill” but that would be giving in to a really bad pun so I’m not going there. Then he was gutted, flayed, burnt and THEN his… Read more »

Elena
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Elena

well said!!! well freaking said!!! we are begging for crumbs in 2010!!! stardate 2010 as Noah would say. i mean this is the future!!! wtf1!! we’re still licking up the crumbs like starved dogs. why? why indeed. why is love still misunderstood? maybe Jean and Christopher should experience what it’s like to be on our side of the table. i don’t think they get it. i don’t think they know what it’s like to be someone who identifies with or appreciates a gay character, and never sees their people represented the right way. it’s not just a TV show, just… Read more »

George
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George

Fubar: My GF and me agree 100% with what you have said. It is the hypocrisy of CG, JP, and TPTB we can’t stand. We are straight but we never saw LURE as a gay couple. We simply adored them (and still do) as two individuals who were genuinely in love. LURE was a celebration of pristine, pure, beautiful, wonderful, and everlasting love. CG, JP, and TPTB are the most heartless, cruel, ruthless, and merciless people on this earth. They definitely do not know what true, real, and genuine love is. The worst part is they took pleasure and joy… Read more »

mariophilippo
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mariophilippo

i couldnt agree with you more very well intepreted and i never thought that the usa would ever embrasse writers that deliver these hipocratic and homophobic messages to the world.Well said i only hope she is taking the time to read what we are trying to say here.shame and disgust!YOU HAVE DEFINATELY TAKEN THE WRONG TURN HERE MRS JP AND LG

fourleafjane
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fourleafjane

Hey friend, You said it girl. Well done. A little birdie told me this was you. I was searching. We are all grieving this ending-truly grieving. These actors were so good that we loved them and their characters. We believed this story and we wanted a happy ending. It did not have to end this way. They may be excited about the buzz it caused-but it is not a good buzz. People are angry and disappointed that this is what they chose to end this. Our boys better get a nomination for this and one of them better win. We… Read more »

mariophilippo
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mariophilippo

my god mrs passanante to you think you are talking to 10 years old fans or just the usa fans cause we come from other countries where these attitude and poor excuses dont even justify to what you have doen with these gaystoryline.Whats the scoop here that gays are left in misery and every other straight couple lives haappily ever after?I dont know if you are thinking straight but certainly you have have doen a great job of killing the pride and dignity of gays around the world.You should have consulted experts on the matter cause when you have a… Read more »

MARIOPHILIPPPOMARIOPHILIPPOmariophilippo
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MARIOPHILIPPPOMARIOPHILIPPOmariophilippo

WE DEMAND A REWRITE AND ALTERNATIVE ENDING CAUSE TO RESTORE GAY RIGHTS AROUND THE WORLD OR AM TAKING THESE CASE TO GAY RIGHT COMETEE IN BRUSSELS,LETS PLAY HARDBALL USA.

mmc
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mmc

To Jean P. and TPTB…you didn’t care at all about this storyline.When you took Reids heart ,you shattered Lukes, and you broke mine.(and this is what i get for being a loyal fan from 1956 when i was 13 years old!!!!)

reidstheman
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reidstheman

I really hope Ms. Passante AND Chris Goutman are reading these comments. I don’t think you realize HOW invested, HOW MUCH IN LOVE the fans are with LuRe!!! If you wanted your drama why didn’t you kill Margo, Katie, or any other countless character? Why did you have to pick the ONE couple who was unique, magical and had all the makings of a super couple of all time? And, you DID know you teased us for MONTHS making us believe Luke and Reid would finally make love. To kill Reid without even allowing him to be fulfilled with the… Read more »

mmc
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mmc

They didn’t care.And i still say as long as Reid and Luke stayed”nice’ it was ok.But the chemistry between them was like nothing I had ever seen.I loved them looking at each other, smiling at each other ,and when they kissed i thought the TV would explode.I loved Luke and Reid.I love how they brought out the best in each other .TPTB couldn’t deal with them.How very sad.they took away the gay stereotype and i fell so in love with them as a couple.FYI, I’m not gay and my children are not gay so i have no agenda.It was the… Read more »

mariophilippo
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mariophilippo

dont beckmy friend cause ill take my own actions with our media power in europe and the gay rights ascosiation in brussels.Let the americans be known for their homophobic hipocritic vulgar tv networks.Its all they need to round up the perfect image they potray against the rest of the world.

Elena
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Elena

yes! please everyone in america write david kreitzman!!! and oltl! *squirms*

Lexii314
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Lexii314

PLEASE PEOPLE! Please write David. Beg AMC to put Lure on.

mmc
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mmc

where do we write?I’d love to .

fubar
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fubar

I find that I’m not done ranting, so here it goes. Everybody wants to see characters on TV or in the movies they can relate to. For minorities that is of course even more true because there are so few representations. But for some reason it always seems to be necessary to kill that character. It used to be the same way for black people. That has changed now and that is a good thing. For gay people it is still the same. In the full length interview with Ms. Passanante on afterElton.com the fact that it seems that it… Read more »

George
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George

Don’t we (LURE fans world-wide) wish that CG, JP, and TPTB should die the most tragic and horrible deaths in RL. And, there would be absolutely no remorse at the good riddance of bad rubbish. Infact that event should call for celebration with champagne and wine that this earth is rid of those scum bags who mercilessly and ruthlessly destroyed the most beautiful love story to ever grace the soap scene. They shattered and broke millions of hearts around the globe. The horrific end of those monsters is the only fitting punishment for them. Everytime, my GF and me think… Read more »

MC Solano
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MC Solano

There is no arguing with the fact that the death made a great dramatic ending to the story of Reid and Luke. But it is disingenuous to say that it’s not any different than a decision to kill off a straight character. She has to be completely ignorant not to realize that due to the scarcity of gay characters on soaps the situation had to be treated with much more sensitivity. I cannot believe no one on ATWT realized that this ending would create an uproar and cries of homophobia – particularly as they had not allowed the characters to… Read more »

Bambishootsback
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Bambishootsback

Wrote this in FB and transfering it here. Lets call it like it is shall we. This is the very first complete and total character massacre ever to happen in all of daytime history. They made absolutely sure that Reid was good and dead and let us know it by having Luke list off all the parts of him that where taken out of his body. It was ridiculous. They didn’t even try to make it look credible. I still imagine that they where laughing while writing it. Even the memorial was a disgrace. No one was there for him… Read more »

mmc
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mmc

I fell in love with Luke and Reid as a couple.In all my years of watching this soap I have never been so touched by a love story.And that’s what it was ,pure and simple a beautiful love story between two beautiful people.They became so much better because of and for each other.Their chemistry was so hot and that’s why the brakes were put on theitr story.What a shame and a disgrace…i blame all the people responsible for this disgusting ending.reid and luke should have had a happy ending like everybody else.Actually, they deserved it more than anybody else.I feel… Read more »

Phyl
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Phyl

It’s crazy but even moreso, very sad that two of the most wonderful love stories on ATWT, Luke/Reid’s and Henry/Barbara’s, came to us at the bitter end….

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As the World Turns Cast To Perform Virtual Reading Of Final Episode

In a once-in-a soap-lifetime event during the Covid-19 pandemic, the cast of As the World Turns will reunite for one night online for a virtual reading of the CBS daytime drama’s final episode that aired back 10 years ago this past September,

This livestream event is for a good cause and is brought to you by former ATWT cast member, Trent Dawson’s (Ex-Henry) theatre group The Katonah Classic Stage.  Dawson is the artistic director there.

Over 26 veteran cast members from ATWT, including Larry Bryggman, Don Hastings, Kathryn Hays, Elizabeth Hubbard, Michael Park and more are set to participate in the reading plus some surprise guests.

The show will be streamed  n The Locher Room YouTube channel, 0n Wednesday night, October 28th at 8 p.m. EST/5 p.m. PST, where fans will also  have the opportunity to comment and ask questions of the cast,

The event is asking for a $15 donation to be able to see it and you can click here for more info!

Working with Katonah Classic Stage (KCS), a professional, nonprofit theatre group an hour north from New York City, Dawson is hoping this event will help those in need.  KCS has access to outdoor performance space that can provide a safer, more  socially-distant experience for the artists and the audience. The fundraiser not only  applies to salaries, but to health care as well; without employment most artists are ineligible for health coverage during a time when such insurance is critically important.

So what do you think of getting these beloved stars from ATWT together for a good cause to relive and read the script of the final episode from Oakdale? Comment below.

 

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ATWT Alum and Two-Time Daytime Emmy Winner, Michael Park in Virtual ‘STOMP Out Bullying’ Chat

This Thursday, October 8th, to support National Bullying Prevention Month, Alan Locher and his Locher Room You Tube Channel will be holding a special conversation.

That is when As the World Turns fan favorite, and two-time Lead Actor Daytime Emmy winner, Michael Park (Ex-Jack) along with the CEO and Founder of STOMP Out Bullying, Ross Ellis and former New York Jets legend Tony Richardson will join Alan at 2 p. m. EST.]

STOMP Out Bullying is the leading national nonprofit dedicated to changing the culture for all students, calls on the nation to support their mission by raising awareness around the need to develop a society focused on kindness and inclusivity.

You can watch the livestream here.

So, will you be checking out Michael and company for this special chat? Comment below.

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ATWT and GL Casting Directors To Talk Casting Some Of Your Favorites In Upcoming Virtual Chat

Here’s an intriguing virtual reunion from Alan Locher, and his Locher Room channel.  Coming up next week on Thursday, September 3rd at 2 p. m. EST/11 a. m. PST, the former casting directors of As the World Turns and Guiding Light will chat it up about their time casting some of your favorites from Oakdale and Spingfield.

Look for Mary Clay Boland, who was with As the World Turns till its conclusion in 2010 and Rob Decina who was with Guiding Light till it ended in 2009, to talk about the casting process, what they are up to today and so much more.

You can check it out next week live by clicking here.

So when you look at the last ten years or so of As the World Turns and Guiding Light, which characters and actors would you love to know about … and hear some back-story as to why they got their parts from Rob and Mary?  Let us know via the comment section below.

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