It’s true–it was nice to hear.

But saying it doesn’t make it so. And the fact is, Sonny and the mob are still the heart and center of the show–not the hospital.

So here we are . . . still. I’d like to believe the speech marks the beginning of something different. And Altman and Passanante might even be in favor of a change like that, one that returns some recognizable moral and ethical framework to the show. I just don’t think the ABC execs will ever let it happen.

Absolutely agree with both Rose and Tristan.
I liked him. Interestingly enough, I had forgotten about the cast announcement so when he started speaking to Sonny about AIDS in the hospital chapel, I thought for a minute he was related to Stone. The actor looks like a grown up Stone.
I hope he is paired up with Lizzy.

Tristan

From your pen to Jean and Shelly’s eyes, I hope.

CeeCee…it was weird that the writers chose Sonny to be the one to state the raison d’être for General Hospital. But then they also have him in the chapel praying, and at the same time plotting the downfall of Julian, Eva and the gunrunners!

Of course, you’re right, Rose. I would assume that La raison d’être for Sonny takes a completely different meaning, as far as I’m concerned. This philosophical state of being goes back Socrates, Plato, Pliny, the Elder, and the more modern, Sartre. I find it almost sacrilegious to insert such a parallel between its connotation to whatever moral code Sonny lives by. Yes, it’s a soap, but I would beg TPTB not use this supreme model of the ideal human being so shabbily by equating it to the lifestyle and whatever deep thoughts go through this mobster’s head. My ideals are certainly not en par with Sonny’s.
Beautifully concise post, Rose. It’s great to see another fellow poster analyzing the symbolism ( or the representation of it) and how misused it is in this context. Bah!! I think the writers should do a little reading before they choose someone such as Sonny to make a point. To me, this could have been a cleansing, but, Sonny still has revenge and destruction on his mind. Quite a collision, going directly against the principle of la raison d’être. Night, Rose.

it just reeks of prop… the damage has been done… if you will… with Sonny in the wheel chair… praising pining… and plaudits of his offspring trials… in the arena of ??? what makes the world go round ?

his philosophical appendage stifled for now….

his eyes and hand motion bigger than life itself

speaking in a downward spiral at any and all

just you wait… how full the hour gets

Sonny horizon tremble

Hi Maurice Benard… like your new scripts

Amen to that Timmm!

Exactly my point, Timmm. Of all people, Sonny?? The symbolism would only work if he got on his knees and promised God to never lift a hand on another human being again. I thought for sure the chapel’s floor would open up, like a chasm and swallow Sonny up.
Yes, the medical profession is a blessing and a gift to the world. My husband and all his siblings, his parents and grandfather are all doctors. The hours are brutal for some, but the rewards immeasurable….they fo it because they love humanity. Each and every person should visit a children’s hospital….specifically Boston Children. Said visitor would come out in different state of mind. What these children go through is indescribable and heartbreaking. They are the heroes. Much love.

is this all a cathartic for just how BIG Sonny going to tune IN

take no prisoners… Carly will actually buckle under

realize the err or her ways

Sonny command of the mob scenario… more bullets than aim

I want it be known… that the character he “Plays” behind… a mob boss… with underlings and henchman who do his bidding

what power is that?

what everlasting trigger is he ?

he’s a mobster who has a family… that took advantage and wreaked havoc on all the denizen of port Charles… who is … per the writers… trying to

??? what !

give him a conscience ?
give him a heart?

Sonny … is nothing
he’s worse than Victor and Stefano…

Sonny underground working… in the underworld… trying to mesh and figure himself prominent in the reality of disdaine… scum as it were

all this is burgeoning in that wheelchair

Carlos / Julian / ANY OF his opposing ??? mobsters could have easily taken him out…

if only that had happened

Oh, I hear you, Buddy. What’s the use. Don’t waste your time, breath or energy on such bigoted drivel.

Carol, careful, your slip is showing.
Listen, Lucas is handsome, charismatic and he’s a good man. I remember his real father, his spirit guide, Tony Jones, telling Lucas to not settle and to always remember he is worthy of love and to never sell himself short.
My issue with Brad was he was not worthy of Lucas. I do want an interesting gay story line if it’s done right.
I thought Lucas and this new doctor shared some good chemistry. If not, that is fine.
I just want Lucas to be paired up with someone who is worthy of him. To me, Brad the mouthbreather is not that guy.
To see a gay story done right on a drama series, check out Six Feet Under. Keith and David were fleshed out, they had chemistry, they were complex and you cared about both of them.
I do not understand why daytime drama cannot get this right.

really well read… ie: about Six Feet Under.

ie: Keith and David

whenever they interacted

you were holding your breath
measuring your release
exhaling ; with relief angst forbidden lust heart imploding leaping

marvel

Indeed, Patrick! What worked about Six Feet Under’s Keith and David was that ALL couples could relate to their marital issues.
Their marriage counseling sessions were so well written and whether you are gay or straight, you could relate to their issues. And it was interesting.

Exactly who Lucas needs… a caring individual with a kind & giving
soul, Griffin seems to fit the bill. Brad was never worthy of Lucas,
that relationship had no heart.

I agree. I think it would be wonderful to bring on a really hot new doctor and then pair him immediately with Lucas. Could make for a great love triangle with Brad. Or maybe the new doctor can be bisexual and be fought over by Liz and Lucas!

I agree, I think he may end up with Lucas. First impression is that he will be a great addition.
Patrick was also a nice guy.

The real waste would be putting him with Liz who is obviously not over her lifelong obsession with Jason and who clearly needs to stop chasing any man so she can focus on her children. You can’t set your kids up for the kind of pain Liz does by never teaching them that THEY are the family. She passes up every opportunity to teach them to be self contained and focused on their core unit as the family and the resulting damage of trying to “make” a family with men she has just barely dated like Jake/Jason is so obvious in her older boys. Liz repeatedly and loudly blaming Sam for “taking” Jason from them has had dire consequences. She has an opportunity to learn from her mistakes this time if she doesn’t just form a loser club with Nicholas and Spencer and continue the cycle.
In any event, give the good doctor someone with a lot less baggage. He’s a beautiful addition to the GH family.

Are you referring to the actor, or to yourself?

To: davlestev1. Well, I agree with you for throwing “shade” on the bigots. But it was in the wrong place and, thus, was confusing. Another of the boards I read is, shall we call it, “Homophobe Central,” if you follow my cryptic clue. The first day Parker arrived, there was something akin to hysteria on that board. Now there are numerous, “Please put Kristina with…[insert male character].” There were no Kristina threads until this, so you know where this “please put her with a guy” hysteria is coming from. Just unbelievable!!!! Some threads were clever, like why do people get more upset with interracial stories on soaps than “gay” stories? Well, they don’t get more upset. It is just that the poster wanted to really know why we weren’t MORE upset with a sexuality storyline, so used interracial romances as a straw man to start an argument. I guess I am more than stunned by the level of bigotry.

HaHa….wish I could join you, dav…do you have any Baileys’?

Fangirlies are so ridiculously selfish when it comes to this endeavor. How many heterosexual romances do you need to swoon over? You’ve got several sexy, hot, straight male characters on the show already to swoon about in their passionless relationships with the man-eaters they cavort with. Lucas deserves a cute and seemingly decent man in his life and that ain’t Brad, or even Felix for that matter.

LOL Style, I am not finding ANY of the GH so-called romances “swoon worthy” right now. LOL at most of the men cavorting with “man-eaters”. ITA

The thing that gets me is, this has gone way beyond tolerance, now we are expected to enjoy watching gay love scenes just as much as heterosexual love scenes. That is ridiculous! And hypocritical, because I have seen several people declaring that they will not watch DAYS or GH until their favorites, Wilson and Brucas, are back on! What, they don’t enjoy the other couples just as much?! 😉

“….you will be personally attacked down to the very fiber of your being ”

you have no idea … what that’s like

in this day and age.. and yes… I’m aghast that it still has to be said

this is … throwing salt…. in my, any and all, wounds of shared trial

” a gay story”

facts

Point taken, I suppose (and I’m not comfortable with the more vicious sorts of attack that sometimes go on, less here than elsewhere, but there’s some of it on here too; I think even strong outrage can be expressed in a civil way), but if you’re not giving tolerance, why would you expect it in return? I’m not sure it’s plausible to expect tolerance in exchange for intolerance. That seems to me contradictory on the face of it.

That said, though I don’t know Carol, I suspect what she meant was more along the lines of what maddiehayes said and was just phrased in an unfortunate way. There was a character on another soap who was a priest and played by a very handsome actor; on another board, he was sometimes referred to as “Father What-a-Waste.” I did not find that offensive (though Catholics on the board may have; I don’t know), and I don’t see any reason immediately to jump to the conclusion that Carol’s comment necessarily is, either—though I do see what people are saying and why it has pushed some buttons; it certainly gave me pause when I first read it, and then after a few uncomfortable moments it dawned on me that it had multiple possibilities. I’d love to see Carol come back on here and clarify what she meant, but I couldn’t blame her if she decided not to do so.

I absolutely follow what you are saying, Dylan. I always respect your views because they have meaning for me. You are among many who hit the spot for me. As Maddie has indicated, carol’s words did not come out as she meant them, I think. She has posted before, and I enjoy her vies, generally. But, you must see how callous some of these comments are toward gays. Tolerance is a two-way street. Later, my friend.

Thanks Rose. Ya; I’d actually love it if it were true. Could be interesting….As for Robin, she’ll probably pop in anyway for Anna, Mac, Maxie, etc. But I’m sure she’d love to meet this long lost brother of her one-time great love if that’s who he turns out to be.

If not, fun to speculate!

Hey, Rose.
I had to scramble the Internet looking for Stone. Wow!!!! So much history!!

Hi Tristan…

I don’t agree that anything Stone-related needs Robin in the story. Between his incredible good looks, his filling the void where Patrick stood, this new character can probably draw us in all on his own. Besides, as I suggested, he’d have an incredible link to Sonny on some level as well.

There have been many great soap couples where eventually only one remained. And this character wouldn’t be Stone obviously…so I see no problem…only an interesting connection if my idea should actually be who he is.

I disagree. We all need to get over Robin. The fact that we couldn’t is in part what sunk Patrick’s character. Neither the writers nor many of the fans would let him move on from that relationship. Kimberly has a wonderful new career now as a director. They need to leave Robin off the canvas, happy and healthy in CA, with sporadic visits from Emma to grandma Anna. I was a viewer during the Stone era and remember the deep connection Sonny had to Stone, so it would totally work to have Griffin be connected to Stone somehow as a way of cementing his relationship with Sonny.

LOL, Jagger. They had parents at some point, right? 🙂 We may just find out that this younger brother…Stone would be 39 today…Matt Cohen is around 34…had been whisked away…thought dead…who knows…

It’s just an inkling….but that would tie this new Dr. in with GH history, one that hasn’t been addressed in a while. Could be an ironic twist for him to help Sonny back to recovery…after all Sonny did for Stone.

There is someone else he reminds me of, also a dearly departed character, but more recently departed. And, unlike Stone, remembered by more than just one character. I’ll let you all mull it over. Ultimately I am convinced he is not related to Stone. This is just a red herring, but one that has us all talking!! Everyone is buzzing about his character, but more red herrings will be sprinkled into the story, before we know.

Tristan–hmmmmm.. could you mean Duke? And why does the good doctor’s last name of Monroe ring some kind of bell? Sonny did tell Carly that Dr Monroe felt like a friend.
PS And no, I was not thinking of Marilyn.

Aye, Harry me lad. The fella reminds me of a young Ian Buchanan. Re: Stone? The character is supposed to have ties to someone surprising who is IN Port Charles, not to someone who died in Port Charles over twenty years ago. The only people now in PC who would remember Stone would be Sonny, Mac, and Felicia. So, is the story supposed to be just a week-long Stone memory fest? How does that generate riveting long-term, consequential story? It doesn’t. Not to mention that if you weren’t watching 20 years ago Stone means absolutely nothing. Big deal.

They are throwing out red herrings by the barrel full, including looks between Munro and Lucas that suggest a relationship. When Lucas gets a contract maybe, but this guy will not have a long-term relationship with a recurring player, male or female. Although he COULD have had one.

So, yes, he reminds me of Duke, who WAS a friend of Sonny’s and who still has at least one very major tie in PC: Duke’s bereft lady-love.

The other thing no one is really mentioning is his resemblance to John J. York, Mac. Hmmmm, on that too! Does Mac have a kid he never knew about? We sure need more Scorpios!!!!!!

The writers are giving us a mystery with clues and red-herrings. The obvious things people are picking up on were thrown out the first day — Lucas and Stone. I think we are being well played. Guessing his connection will not be that simple. But I think we will get a real story out of it, one that is more than a sentimental nod to twenty-year-old history.

Name ONE friend Sonny has ever had. Brain damaged murderers don’t count. GO!!

Harry 1 and Tristan… Good call on possibility of the new Dr. Griffen possibly being connected to Duke. I recently viewed the original Twin Peaks in which Ian/Duke has a role. “Yes,” the new Doc and Duke do resemble each other…especially the hair.

Although I still believe he’s Stone’s younger brother, I agree that he does bare a great resemblance to both Mac and Duke…though neither bare a resemblance to each other! As said, I’m still going with my Stone theory. We shall see. Looking forward to his story.

I agree with you. There is just something about him that reminds me of Stone.

Sonny really does not need any more kids Let him be related to someone else, like Mac, maybe.

Too funny, Aria.

I know I brought up the idea of our new doctor bringing Robin back if there was a Stone connection. It was more to give some legitimacy to a Robin return if Kim wants to come back again for a couple weeks…again. Like you I’m really over Robin, and for me, Luke as well.

There was an immediate connection between Sonny and the new doctor in the Chapel. It almost reminded me in a weird way of Jacob/werewolf “imprinting” Bella’s baby in Twilight. It’s done.

Love me some Robin, Rose. But come on, all these comings and goings are obnoxious. Sometimes it seems like a call for attention.

Can I join that club—the Recalcitrant Sonny Objectors? It sounds like a club I REALLY need to belong to.

Maybe we can offer group therapy for getting over how icky we feel after spending time in Port Charles’s world of warped morality? Special hazmat suits with extra ethical reinforcement that we can wear while we watch? A support group, with sponsors we can call when we feel particularly unsettled by an episode filled with Sonny worship?

Count me in.

Hello, my love.
Snowy morning….Anyway….pathetic, is it not ? You may have read my feelings about Sonny and his philosophy, in the abstract, LOL. There is no other way to describe it. We all aspire to that eternal peace and well-being….the existential part of us reaching for an answer as to our being and essence. As Rose puts it: la raison d’être.
That’s fine and well that the TPTB would tackle such a profound inner ‘pang’/feeling. My problem is Sonny. The wrong person altogether to use as an example.
At the risk of sounding repetitious, looking deeply into one’s heart and soul…..seeing one’s life flash before one’s eyes, should be a deterrent from continuing or thinking about revenge and doing more harm, no? Well, not Sonny. Never have I seen more hypocrisy within one character….well, perhaps Victor Newman; Stefano DiMera and Victor Kiriakis. Ciao, bella.

Hi Shay, remember one thing, connecting a new character with a legacy character usually helps him or her ease their way onto the scene. Remember on Y&R when Dylan came to town. He was a bust and they switched his background up to be connected to Nicki and Paul.

Griffin Monro, I bought shocks off him last week! No, wasnt he a character on “Gomer Pyler?” Wait, maybe he used to work on that farm with Sharon’s old squeeze, Sam? OMG, remember how bad that story was? Later.

@Timmm…..I’m all for the “legacy connection,” but if it will be yet another Sonny-centric one, then that’s where I’m less than enthused. That is no slam to MB, the actor….by all accounts, he’s a perfectly lovely guy….it’s just that his character has no redeeming values, despites the gargantuan efforts to make it seem otherwise. There are already far too many people with links to “Planet Sonny”…..there are plenty of other families to whom newbies can be enjoined…Hardy, Webber, Jones, Quartermaine, and yes, even Cassadine. Furthermore, this doc dude could easily be a brother to Nathan based upon his looks. Who says Dr. O. didn’t have twins or another child out of wedlock in addition to Britt and Detective West? As for “Griffin Munro,” the name does have a bit of a “good ol’ country boy” flavor to it….hence the NASCAR reference! Needless to say, he’s gonna be revving up someone’s engine, that’s for sure…..it’s just a matter of ascertaining exactly to whom said machinery shall belong!

Hey, CeeCeeGirl….Snow day! I love them….LOL! Oh yes, I hear you about the gross hypocrisy of Sonny as a man having some magnificent religious epiphany….especially when one knows it won’t last any longer than a New York minute once he wheels beyond the doors of that chapel!!!! It will simply be back to usual business…and I don’t mean “coffee importing!” Sadly, this tortured, tedious path which Sonny chose decades ago is so “set in stone”—no pun intended there—-that no reinvention, religious or otherwise, shall ever be credible, even if sincerely meant. It’s just this never-ending vicious circle of violence ….been there, done there, over and over and over again. After so many years, the plot device of a redemptive Sonny has worn mighty thin, so excuse my skepticism. This oft-used hackneyed notion has completely turned me into a “Doubting Thomas.” Later, mia amica!

Correction for Harry! We dont know Griffin YET!

I love ELVIS, my Timmmy, albeit he colored his hair. I am the opposite of Shay, she lives the Nordic look; such ad my brothers. HaHa! Luv-ya.

Hey, my guy:
This is from memory: Elvis died in August of ’77 of a ( seemingly) heart attack. He loved gospel music…cut a 45 and ran with it in, I think, 1956. He loved his mother to pieces. Was in the army; stationed in Germany, where he met Priscilla Beaulieu….she was only fourteen. ….Took her back to the States and moved her in Graceland. Married in ’68 and Lisa Marie was born 9 months later.
Is that somewhat accurate? I have every ‘record’ he ever cut, and I know all his songs by heart.
I also saw all his movies. He had affairs left and right and that’s why Priscilla divorced him.
His voice was/is haunting.
I told you my grandmother has a vast collection of opractically all genre of music. But, she is a true rocker at heart. You should see her platform shoes, fringed suede minis and vests. She kept everything ….in trunks. She also tells me all about the defunct soaps and how they were such an important part of her life. And, she was at Woodstock!!
Say, do you love me more now? LOL. Night, love.

Timmmy, my love.
I am a wheat-colored blonde….so light, in fact that I tone it down to ash-blonde.
Elvis just may have been, as you say, the first metrosexual. His backside ( before the weight gain) was the subject of wonder, admiration and adoration.
But, speaking of music, that is exactly what is missing from soaps today. I remember when almost every soap had a singer in the house. My Gran says that on Days, Patty Weaver and Gloria Loring made her day whenever they sang on the show. Then there’s Michael Damian; Y&R… Kassie DePaiva, OLTL…Rick Springfield and Jack Wagner, GH, to name a couple.
What happened? I suppose budget cuts come into play.
Later, my love.

hi CeeCee,, i was being sarcastic.. lol luv my bad boy 🙂
J-S should be slapped for what they’ve done to my bad boy Sonny, its disgraceful and shameful!
Soon Sonny will be wearing sandals and walking around with an iridescent gold light around him..

@su0000
I know, my little SuzieQ. I was going right along with your sarcasm. Look at me: now I have two hunks to worship…Nathan and Doc Munro…gotta run, babes.

Sonny is the Oprah Winfrey of daytime

Su? What exactly have they done to him that you feel is so unforgivable? He is still mean, arrogant, vile, greasy, narcissistic, disgusting, hypocritical, self-centered, emotionally abusive, still issuing death threats for no reason whatsoever…in other words, he’s Sonny! Regimes change…Sonny doesn’t. What I want to know is why you still claim you’re female.

which could go a long way in explaining… Kristina’ feelings

the nastier and or withholding of ; feelings stuck; repressing your own and lashing out ?!?!

either way.. it’s just nice to see Kristina’ return… with a REEL that’s got every one wagging and LOL festering to see the outcome

kudos to Lexie Ainsworth for her return REEL

Fanny, people comment about Kristina’s sexuality and her past boyfriends BUT she has been away at college and she is young. Those years away by yourself sometimes take you down different paths. Sometimes you regret it, sometimes you embrace it! I think she possibly experimented with a woman OR wants to and this is where she is at. She could be bi but we dont know yet. She is fixated on Parker, for sure. I like the story because it involves a lot of the cast.

I agree, Fanny. I don’t like the ‘tigress’ in Kristina, or her rebellion toward Molly. She continually bares her teeth at her…the old cliche’…..”The lady doth protest too much”….But, after reading Timmm’s comment below, and agreeing with him, as well; it is very evident that the girl has huge issues; unsettled issues which have her going everywhichway. She is struggling with herself…confused as heck. This story could be so compelling if handled the right way.
Later, my sweet lady.

was Franco… telling Nina… he doesn’t want a child… a sign that all is not right in their orbit? that things are going to crash

I mean really… even Franco , realm of possibility … of overdrive and patience… that Nina isn’t

who hasn’t experienced “know when its over… when it’s time to call it quits… ”

yikes !

they are both in a good spot… able to mend and move

inasmuch as I LOVE Franco and Nina… I could see them trying other outlets.. and .. perhaps down the road apiece… they will solidify for themselves just how much share their loving each other complete

Hey, Ces.
I do not really like the prospect of Franco and Nina splitting up, but, I, too sense something going awry in that relationship. So, if that were to happen, I think Franco, the more ‘stable’ Franco would be ok with Liz, in my opinion. Later.