@Shay.
Why, thank you, my lovely. If Nathan ever leaves I will go on a hunger strike for an entire meal. Ha!
Yeah, Dante, the loverboy, is reverting back to his teen years, along with Sam and Liz. I only wish for him to come to a rude awakening when his hot blood simmers down; but, it’ll be too late.
Say, Shay, lol….were Lulu and Johnny ever an item? What are the chances they will hook up? I don’t normally condone such payback behavior….but, just this once, I want Dante to get his. Ohhh, that would be grand.
And, I will go into the wine cellar ( where no one can hear me) and scream next time I see “Valerie is beautiful”, in print. She has a great derrière; smokin’ in that cop uniform….. that’s about it! I look at the face first! Bye, bella.

@CeeCee…Sweets,,.Who wants to be in a relationship with a
Manipulating, habitual liar… Whether he’s been with her short/
planned too be with Elizabeth long term she LIED BIG TIME.
What he can remember is all the lies that led too this major
coverup. She cajoled him repeatedly into leaving the past
behind, that it was of NO importance it held no weight in the
life they were building together in the here & now….Lies all
Lies….Little Jake can attest to it…Laura held on to it out of
love and loyalty….regretfully it has come to a head for
Elizabeth, who committed a bigger crime than Nick in all of
this nastiness. Robin is coming to town…she’ll bring with her
the ability to help Jason put the pieces back together…….

@Fanny.
Exactly, my sweet Fanny. We are in sync. I have been saying what you just said verbatim; and so have you. I could never continue living or trusting anyone where the relationship was built on a lie. I do not know women like that, but I’m sure they’re out there. And my experience with men is limited (just my husband), so, perhaps I am not the right person to speak on this. But, I know what’s right and what’s wrong. And, what Liz is doing is WRONG!! So, I do hope that the writers are able to make this point, when all is said and done, whether Jason remembers or not. There should be a moral to every story; a lesson learned. Perhaps I’m thinking as a teacher right now, but, soap or not, we should always derive a sense of satisfaction from every storyline. Luv-ya.

I really don’t follow your reasoning, with all due respect, elm51. In my opinion, it makes a life or death difference. I’m not sure to whom you are directing your comment, but if it is to myself, you have completely misinterpreted my message. Just because Jason does not remember his past, does not mean or imply to leave things status quo. If anyone, such as Liz, Nik, and now Laura and Hayden know something as crucial as Jason’s identity, then each has a moral obligation to tell him the truth. This part has nothing to do with Jason’s memory. It is a matter of honesty and not subterfuge. These people have no right playing God with someone else’s life, for selfish, personal gain. It goes against everything that’s good in nature. Perhaps any truths from his past that Liz herself, or anyone else who knew him personally and intimately could have related to him may have ‘awakened’ some distant thought or memory, opening the door a crack to his dormant memory. However, you are entitled to express your feelings on the subject. I just wanted to clear up any misunderstanding of my words.

I really want nu-Jason/Jake to stick around. I was so over mobster Jason ages ago, even while Steve Burton was playing him. Was hoping Jason’s brain tumor from years ago would return him to the sweet, pre-med Jason we used to know before his accident. This Jason is closer to that personality than mobster Jason. And Jason Q. was just as loyal and good a friend as Jason M. (so take that Carly).

Well said Rebecca1!

I agree. I never saw the chemistry, beebee ( I’m CeeCee, now, all we need is deedee, lol). There is no passion. Liz gets little brotherly pecks. Do you remember when Hayden was pretending to be Jason’s wife? Yes, he did act somewhat standoffish, but there definitely was tension within that bed. I don’t think it was all due to the fact that they were complete strangers. I felt something. Perhaps if I say it often enough and long enough, the writers will get the hint and put them together. Besides, This Jason is honorable and found himself in a quandary….yet, he was compelled not to betray Liz’s trust. But, Lizzie was doing her PSYCHO thing, regardless. This is also another reason why Jason will take her deception hard. He gave her his all, yet she betrayed him instead, over and over again, with her silence.

Zero chemistry !

I agree. I see no chemistry between them.

I wouldn’t call a guy who woke up with no memory of himself, lost and confused…who possibly fell for Liz because she provided hearth and home when he didn’t know he already had one, fickle….when he finds out his heroine was actually manipulating, lying and plotting to keep him from finding out the truth…HIS truth. I’d say he was emotionally held hostage, unbeknownst to him. He’d be crazy to stay with her…not without some heavy duty therapy for Ms. Liszt.

Rebecca, if she’d been lying from the start, I’d agree with you. She wanted Jake LONG before she knew he was Jason. Jason was wrong when he said today that Liz was waffling between him and Ric and only chose him when she found out he was Jason. She chose Jake over Ric a few months before that, and they were about to make love. But then Hayden showed up, saying she was Jake’s wife. And Liz, thinking Jake was married, went back to Ric. When Carly exposed Ric’s lies and machinations, Liz was so excited, confessing to Nicholas she could finally find happiness with Jake. BEFORE Nick told her. This whole “lie” thing was contrived just to make people root for Jasam, and it stinks to high heaven. Because they didn’t have to do this. They could have had Jake have “feels” for both women from the start. Instead of making it clear his only love was Liz. And he turned to Sam ONLY because Liz deceived him and broke his heart.

“correction… Lizzy

@Maddiehayes

that is one of the – best – chronological posts; ever ! whew!

I’ve been trying to intimate as such

I realize that it may have been or built on lies ???

this is my perspective

from a mans point of view

“we” like romance just as much; we may never fully explain what that is… or even remark as such

but it’s their; right in front of all of us

and when it’s the truth! I think it’s all right their for he and she or for… any one who feels

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point taken GH Writers; this is playing out for all the layers of emotion to render

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be that as it may; the obvious heart murmer swell and beat… is Jason and Liz

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I can rest now ! LOL…

nicely said

when the thread stated.. that Jason told Liz.. that she broke his heart

that’s putting a humane spin on it for sure

even amongst all the prodding and amnesia

it’s still going to hurt all parties involved…

ugh! my Liz will mend and find a way out of this and persevere, triumph, and hopefully… as i’ve posted… Liz is no longer the sweet put upon taken for granted stand back …. and shadow herself… with her boys

this is the ultimate time for the GH writers to give Liz a backbone… and cull from her steely reserve and remain steadfast and LOVE right back… if her heart pulls in that direction… he’ll know

Maddie…none of that matters…

Yes it’s true that Liz was falling for him before she knew his identity. That’s all well and good.

Then…she DID know his identity. From that point on she had every moral obligation to tell him who he is. In real life any sane person would do so. You don’t live a lie lie that.

To my mind there’s no debate. One can root for Liz and hole he forgives her, Shi h I petal.ally think would be just as ridiculous, but it’s a soap, so who knows…

As for choosing.g Jake over Rick, let’s not forget she dumped Rick for lying to her…for deceiving “Jake” with Hayden. Tad of irony in that…no?

If Liz had never known the truth, it might have been interesting to see if Jason, when and if his memory comes back, remained with her even with his returned feelings for Sam. The way it was written…I. stand by my original feelings in this thread.

See u next post… 🙂

Lol…and “hope” he forgives her…

I have no clue what the next sentence I wrote was…probably, “I think if he forgives her and stays with her that would be ridiculous”…I’d rather she forgive Rick!

thank you Patrick 🙂

Bottom line if you handed RH/Liz the phone book and told her to read it out loud she would have chemistry with it. She is that good of an actress every actor they throw at her she makes it work. I may not always agree with Liz’s choices but she sells it.

K/Kay, ITA. And Rebecca, just for the record, I was never a Jasam or Liason fan. I’ll admit I like Liz more than Sam, always have. But I never thought Jasam should break up. I hated John McBain coming between them, that was the stupidest thing! When “Jake” arrived in PC, I assumed he’d start reconnecting with Sam and Danny. I was surprised they went with Liz and Liz ONLY. I blame this whole fiasco on Carlivati wanting to stir up the Jasam/Liason war again. He was SUCH a troll, LOL. But I’m sad the new writers decided to continue making Liz look like a desperate loon. She’s a GORGEOUS woman and a mother! Seriously, she could have her pick of guys. She didn’t have to resort to this. Nah, sorry, what Rick did was much worse. He went out of his way to hire people to deceive Jake. Liz merely kept a secret. Rick continued his sleazeball ways by trying to “gaslight” Nina. And sleeping with her mother – ugh! I never want to see Liz with Ric again. Bring back Greg Vaughan to play Lucky. 😀

“…See u next post… 🙂 ”

too cute

ie: bringing back Greg Vaughan to play Lucky… WOULD really up the ante and fire up everything!

it’s as K/Kay says… Liz can read the phone book – she’s exquisite

it’s nice to see johnny Z back in the fold… i wonder for how long? it certainly seems like Dante and Lulu are seriously done… Now, I truly see no way out of this one… Dante, my man! what have you “gone” and done ?

watching Big Mac back on the scene w/Anna…. Magic
he should be Anna sidekick…. just to see more of him… to take that brother in law stand and do what he does best… take care of everyone… dang it tho

Diane has told Jason… he’s a wealthy man many times over…. ???? sure seems like this is setting up to be a power play betwixt Jason and Nicholas! let’s go

as for @su take that perhaps Hayden can reconnect back with Jason? I can’t believe how much she stirs…

she’s magical with Nicholas… now that she no longer has a secret to lord over Nicholas… I hope her true feelings emanate and these two find a truce… and connect…. MOVE you two… chess piece the Cassadine Empire…. here comes Jason

Well, the PCPD could certainly use Jason’s considerable talents, Tristan! Just look at its currently pitiful state, what with the totally clueless and ineffective Jordan at the helm, a distracted, personally-bereft Dante acting like the walking wounded—even though he brought his sorry situation onto himself—-and, of course, the homewrecking maneater, rookie Val-Chops, who I wouldn’t trust to go buy donuts, let alone protect and serve the public. (Although I suppose she could prove handy for the vice squad….just tart up her wardrobe and voila! She obviously already possesses the “skills” to “grab” a man, just ask Dante!) As for the new year, my resolution for this police department is that they either get the Divine Devane back as commissioner, or at least Mac as an interim replacement….and needless to say, bringing Robert or Frisco to Port Charrles in that capacity would be just peachy!!!! P.S. Hey, CeeCee, you’ll notice I spared your beloved “Studly Do Right,” (Nathan) a dose of my sarcasm….that’s your Christmas present from me, and yes, you are quite welcome! LOL….

Totally agree with you Tristan. Jason Morgan was one of the reasons I took a 7 year break from GH. I was sick of Robot Jason. I am the Enforcer. I kill people for Sonny. I have no thoughts of my own. I am a robot. Billy Miller is a fantastic actor – much better than Steve Burton. I hope GH takes full advantage of his acting abilities. I have no issue with him getting with Sonny and/or Sam. But I want it to be a different dynamic. And I want Jason to be the one to take ELQ back from Nick and lead that company.

Or he could go back to his goal of becoming a doctor.
I do not want him to go back to being Sonny’s enforcer and Carly’s errand boy

I fully agree with you, Tristan. However, I do not want to see Billy in this ‘futile’ role either. Jason is hen-pecked. Either the writers make him snap out of this state of confusion and give him a life, or just allow him to be Liz’s lap dog. I would even settle for a mastiff. Billy Miller is one of my favorites; has been since AMC. What TPTB are doing to him is an injustice. Please, deliver Jason from these clucking chickens or deliver Billy from GH.

Jason will never be the same, again..
The SB’s Jason will RIP..
This Jason is meant to be a mix, and that is good thing..
Billy Miller will make his Jason his..
I am looking forward to the new/different Jason’s arrival ..
Stone Cold is Steve B’s character, not Billy Miller’s character …
( way I see it..

A slap upside J&S head for what they have done to Sonny!
Poor neutered guy all whimpy in a wheelchair being a love guru.. blah!

And– The Corinthos family is a loveling messed up dysfunctional family that is who & what they are, not roses and poetry holding hands hugging in kumbaya, sigh..
The Corinthos have great love for eachother, they are the Corinthos!
it was shameful to turn them into phoney mushers ..

@su.
I got a good laugh su. You know why? One thing you said stands out in my mind. “Poor neutered guy all wimpy in a wheelchair being a love guru”. I had not idea Sonny went to the Veterinarian, LOL. When you say wimpy…..to what/whom are you referring? I am very naughty, I know. I suppose Sonny has no choice but to be a love guru, since he is sexually incapacitated. he should pursue a career in love-advice. Is he numb from the waist down? Poor Sonny, indeed, su. It must be hard for him since he is used to spreading his virility hither and yon. What about Carly? Can she survive without some boudoir exercise? How the mighty have fallen!!!!! Can’t stay down too long, though. He is the unconquerable, inimitable, untamable, undefeatable Sonny Corinthos. Only Jason can save him now. Right!!!! As Jimh said, Sonny needs a little love from Jason. Now, that’s true love. Yeah!!

I agree with all the above, Jason does need to be alone and sort out his feelings, it does seem there is something there for Sam. Ultimately I would love to see Sam and Jason back together.
Elizabeth has no chemistry with Jason, I know a lot of people disagree and that is just my opinion.
I also love Billy Miller and think he could make this Jason his own.
However he will probably not spend to much time alone, that is not in the cards on soaps.
Good idea him and Sam being PI’s together.

Lol. That would be I, CeeCee. I said way back when, little Jake should have been Liz’s first priority instead of big Jake. The kid still needs help. So far, I have heard Liz indicate to Jason that Jakey needs help, only once. And, that’s after TPTB probably read some of these comments by many fans. Yet, nothing happens.

That is hilarious, su. It seems to me Sonny and Jason really need each other, as they both lost their cojones. Jason’s are on a leash.

I don’t think Nik lied for altruistic reasons, Tatiana. I do believe he did it because of ELQ. Jason AND his shares could turn Nik’s scam on its head.

Yes that’s true CeeCee. He did lie because of his ELQ scam but he told Liz the truth thinking she would expose this lie. I think he has since kept it secret mostly for Liz so she can have what she wants.

CeeCee!!!!!
Yes yes yes! great thinking!
Hayden & Jason would be awwwwwsome!

Oooooohhhh, noooooo, CeeCee! I’m sorry, Girl, I simply cannot abide that slick slag Hayden….she’s bad enough with the equally-repellent Nik, but keep her away from the dreamy, charming Jason! His “Jake” already failed to have any chemistry whatsoever with her, amnesiac-state aside. Plus, what was it she said today? That she is a former Wall Street….broker? Hah, hardly…..now a former Wall Street hooker???? Yeah….that sounds about right! That one I could “bank on!”

I’m liking this version of Hayden a lot. Watch out Nick !

I like Hayden with Nik. They have awesome chemistry. Its funny but I do not see Sam as sniveling at all. I am not a huge fan (wish she would dress like a grownup) but if anyone snivels, its Liz. Sam has been remarkably patient with Jason’s refusal to remember anything about who he was and their life together, and his stubborn loyalty to his boring as hell fiance.

@tatiana.
I never called Sam sniveling. I never called her anything. I said she and Liz were both shrews.
Actually, I think Hayden and Nik are hot together as well….very sexy and passionate together. However, it would be a great twist, sweet irony, indeed, if Jason and Hayden ended up together. I apologize if my writing does not seem to impart what I mean.

@Fanny.
Thank you, my sweet lady. Why is it that we are not allowed to have favorites? Hayden/Rebecca is spectacular, and that is my opinion. Sam and Liz are doing or have done a lot worse. Hayden is supercalifragelisticexpialidocious (as is Nina). Hayden is turning with the tides…in a good way. She will get her wings soon, LOL. A bientot.

I think she does love Jason…she has in the past. As well as this one, and that one, etc. Wouldn’t call her a floozy, but she sure is needy and insecure. Always has been. But it doesn’t show in her public face. Rather pristine, sweet best friend, and poooor Elizabeth.

And- the way it is now;
Jake does not want to be Jason, he likes his life as Jake..
He doesn’t want to live Jason’s life..
He will not be the Jason that was, he won’t be Jason, ever again..
He is mixed- Jake and Jason and holding onto Jake and Sam is not in Jake’s life and I doubt that Sam will be Jason’s love, again..

Awww, shucks, su. Are you getting all mushy and philosophical on us? LOL….
….fact is, we don’t know in which direction the writers will take this. At the back of my mind, I keep thinking that if Patrick leaves for good (no recast), then, Sam’s door is left wide open ; enter Jason. We do not really know this brand new Jason, so he may not be so forgiving towards Liz, whether he has his memory or not. Most men do not like to be any woman’s fool. That is exactly what Liz did….made a fool of him. I asked my husband, and that was his answer. Lol. But, I will grant you that, in time, if he really, really can’t see himself without Liz in his life, then yes, he probably will forgive her.
Now, as I said on another site, what if Jason realizes he still loves/wants Sam, once his memory returns? And, there’s no doubt in my mind that it will.

No, no, no, my friend. I would rather face the truth, head on, than be lied to just to be spared? Thank Liz? Su, that’s so illogical and twisted, if Liz did it for that reason. And, more importantly, Liz’s motive was more nefarious than that. She could care less about ‘sparing’ Jason any heartache. She did it to feed her warped, selfish needs, su. Yes?

Waste of time and energy, Jimmy. You would think that at this age, these women would have settled down their ‘chasing’ instincts….they are mothers, for goodness sake…not High Schoolers. These writers should get out of that rut and start writing gripping, age appropriate storylines. I wish the ELQ takeover storyline would still be pursued….add some intrigue and mystery. What happened to the Tracy-Hayden ‘partnership’ to bury Nik? Let’s have some of that! …..Or, involve Jason, with or without his memory, in re-enforcing a strategy to get back what belongs to him and his family. It would be a lot more interesting than these overgrown teens fighting over a lost cause. Bah humbug!!

That’s WHY they should use Johnny Z. WISELY… He’s
a huge asset.

Are any of you actually interested in watching a soap? C’Mon guys!By definition soaps are about love and lust…jealousy, rivalry, angst, unrequited love. Alan and Monica back in the day…cheating all over each other. Rick
Sam, Ned, Sonny, Brenda, Jax.,,it goes on and on. Its a huge part if soaps…if some viewers want maturity, home, loyalty…Adele out Little House on the Prairie…some 50s Ozzie and Harriet…

Lol. Soaps would be so interesting if we took out the rivalries and complicated relationships and had all the soap mom’s being good girls and just taking care of the kids…

So true, CeeCeeGirl! But then, isn’t nearly everyone in Port Charles acting as if they’re afflicted by arrested development? It’s not simply Liz and Sam fighting over a guy like two high schoolers…what about that idiot Dante forsaking his wedding vows and behaving no better than a hormonal teenager with the only too willing Val-Chops, or worse yet, the ever-ready hot-to-trot granny Alexis indulging her unquenchable urges with “boyfriend” Julian, not to mention her almost always inappropriately revealing attire????? Or Sappy carelessly getting “in the family way” and then lying about the babydaddy because she prefers the “rich pretty boy” to the “low-class hoodlum?” And what of Lulu….is she about to pull a “big get even” by dallying with Johnny or Dylan? Plus, how about Nik’s unsavory antics with Hayden in full view for Spencer to witness? I could go on and on, but the point is, all of these people are parents who should be setting moral examples for their children instead of acting like devil-may-care kids…..there are precious few real adults in Port Charles these days…you know, the ones who acknowledge their mistakes, try to make amends for them, and actually show some responsible child-rearing abilities, meaning first making the best choices for their offspring, and not themselves. There are barely even any other characters who call out this consistently bad behavior…some mature, sage voices of reason are so sorely needed. Laura made some efforts to discuss Nik’s personal failings, but she lost most of her credibility when she joined him in covering up the truth about Jason. I did like how Olivia launched on Dante today…she was fantastic when she chewed out her disgusting son and his cheap bit on the side as she told it like it was!!!! Applause, applause! (And as an aside, her claret shawl-collared wrap jacket was also quite fabulous!) We need at least a few more like her, and I don’t mean former hooker Bobbie sympathetically giving Val-Chops a pass for wrecking her niece’s home just because she herself was a total tramp in her youth….WHAT was that???? Well, you get what I’m saying, CeeCee….there’s truly just TOO much of these tawdry antics going on in these poor children’s lives…..not a one is currently the product of an intact two-parent union blessed by marriage. Whilst that may sadly reflect much of today’s society, there should be a minimum of a few stable families left in Port Charles to look up to, since the reality is that there are still many parents providing traditional upbringings and bucking the trend toward more and more broken homes.

@Timmm.
I agree. From the beginning I said that little Jake, the actor, played the automaton like a pro. The first thing that came to mind was that although he looked healthy, his mind had been ‘toyed’ with. I even used the words, “Lord only knows, what Helena did to him”. Many of us, I believe including yourself, suggested Liz seek help for her son. As a medical professional she should have recognized the signs; however, her focus was to rope Jason, reel him in and brand him. Good bye, little Jake, you’re not as important as Jason. That is the message I got. Later.

Hey there, CeeCeeGirl! I enjoy a fine double entendre as much as anyone else….one can be totally saucy—yet completely genteel—-at the same time….it all depends upon the perception of those on the receiving end! So whilst I really wasn’t initially trying to be “naughty”—as you say—when the thought first came to me, well, yes, I later was quite aware of the possibility that my comment could be interpreted in a number of ways….some more innocent than others!!!! I also knew I could rely upon you to catch on….and you certainly didn’t disappoint, oh clever one! LOL!

@Shay.
Lol, Shay. Thank you . I’d like to think I’m clever, but, this time my mind was not as clean as it should have been.
You’re tight, though. It’s a matter of interpretation. ‘Ins and outs’ could be referring to relationships. I mean, the bed-hopping on these soaps is dizzying. Now they’re in; then they’re out; over and over. Everyone has been in bed with everyone else, without giving it a second thought. I’ve always been such a good girl, Shay…albeit I do have a naughty mind. LOL. Pathetic, right?
I know you don’t think much of Nina, but, other than Lulu, she seems to be the only woman to keep her knees together. Speaking of which; how long do you think Lulu will maintain this abstinence? Very rare phenomenon, indeed. I suppose she’s too busy devising ways in rearranging Valerie’s face….teeth and all. Do you think Lulu will have a few shots and cave to her
baser carnal needs? I mean, the liquor is just a precursor to that same indulgence, yes? Ha!!!! I will be most surprised if she does not sleep with either Johnny or Dillon. But, more than that, she will have my admiration for a long time if she does not. I think it would be so refreshing if, for once, the writers would have a character keep her/his integrity and dignity and not fall prey to revenge sex, or whatever one may call it. Sweet dreams, bella.

@Shay I think you are going to get your wish concerning the character of Sabrina. I think she will be exiting soon with the baby Daddy Carlos I think otherwise they would have tied her to Michael Q. Just a guess! As for Liz I will be glad when the torture is over never have I seen three women Carly, Sam & Liz and for that matter Robin be so stupid over a man. Tragic!!

Uh-oh! ‘Ins and outs’, in quotations, no less. You know I’m naughty, Shay….you know where my head just went…..LOL. double entendre, indeed. You are naughtier than I thought, Shay. I love it, babes.

I think Sparkle Pony is on an exit strategy too, Kay.
She’s taking knitting classes after realizing that knotting booties for baby hooves is nearly an impossible task for the knitting novice.

I agree with Kay. Shay, remember I said the same thing as soon as Carlos ‘walked’ back on stage? He came specifically to take her away. His reemergence was contrived/devised to accommodate Theresa’s maternity leave. Later, babes.

Correction: you’re right; not tight….oh, Lordy Lord. Lol.

Well I have made time to watch this at nite because I wanted to see how it played out. Amazing generally it would have been Y&R I would have made time for but everybody is acting like a pod over there so I said nope going to keep my promise to myself and leave it alone. Take care Shay hope you get your xmas wish!

I don’t think his acting was ever off. When we first met him he was traumatized, shocked and who knows how he was treated by Helena. He was a little “stone cold” just like dad. And, a tad off…which he still is. There’s a lot going on with him…he’s not a “kid”…there nothing childlike about him because of his experiences. I think.k he plays “strange” and reserved very well. I’m hoping we’ll get to his story. Should GH survive and remain on years from now, he’d be a great character to expand upon.

Your right. They all cannot be little Spencers from the start. The kid is getting better, for sure.

@Shay..you’re SO right…mini me, mirror image.

@Fanny….And the same deadpan delivery, too. “Stone Cold,” indeed!

Yes Canny, I agree. said so above. I actually think this kid is great…

Lol…Canny.

Forgive me, but I must disagree with you, maddie. I am no fan of Sam, but she had every right to push herself headlong on both Liz and Jason. She is his wife. Apparently they had this great love; she needed to know ‘where do we go from here’. Sam’s rage is well justified. And, yes, Liz and Jason also had a great love, but calling it a thing of beauty is a bit over the top, for me. That expression is reserved for poets where there is honesty and purity involved. From what I have gleaned, Lizzie always managed to ‘claw’ Jason within her orbit by not-so-virtuous means. Thus, any beauty becomes marred; abused; dirtied. So, where’s the beauty (pardon the double entendre) in that? All these women are tainted. But, I do agree, and I have said this all along, Jason may forgive Liz, given time. She strikes me as so flighty, though. Is she capable of being faithful? Are any of them? Perhaps being true to one’s spouse/mate is an alien concept for any soap character. I will not tell you what my Gran calls them… The Scots have very colorful (for lack of a better word) adjectives. I am sure you would blush, if I were even allowed!!

Hey CeeCee, I guess I should’ve specified, JAKE’s love for Liz was a thing of beautly. He was so expressive, just laid everything out there, adored her with everything that was in him. No eyes for anybody else, not even Sam, which is strange, because he should’ve been attracted to both women. But he wasn’t! His heart belonged to Liz from the moment he opened his eyes in that hospital room. Gosh, I loved the way he loved her! Now I suppose he’ll forget all about her and fall in love with Sam. That’ll make the Jasam fans happy. But it makes no sense to those of us who were not Jasam or Liason fans but fell in love with “Lake”.

A nice, unexpected surprise! Hope to see the vets more frequently.

Please get off of my cloud.

As much as I hate Val and FF through all of her scenes, I sucked it up and watched the scenes with Bobbi. Still hate Valerie, but it was great to see Bobbi.

Perhaps I didn’t express myself correctly…I’ll clarify. I loved seeing Mac! I was surprised..didn’t read on this or any site he was making an appearance. But it didn’t work for me. He just showed up with that soap “save”…Felicia and I were worried about you…just Was so obvious that these two characters just disappeared off the show…and magically he’s back.

Its more realistic to me when someone returns…its pack acknowledged they’ve been gone…ie Dillon, Paul, Johnny, Laura…than not mention Mac at all and suddenly there he is.

I’d love if Mac, Lucy, Bobby, Scottie were regularly seen. As it is, they just throw in the o occasional familiar face…

Su, that is not the point, fully. The point is, Liz made a decision that was not hers to make. She took away Jason’s right to his ‘self’. Regardless of the fact he had no memory; knowing his identity would most definitely give him a sense of being, and direction. Outwardly, Jason seemed content. He was in love and lived with the woman with whom he planned a future. Great….all well and good. But this abyss of a quagmire in which was dragging him further and further down; the struggle of keeping afloat would eventually have taken its toll. This was not Liz’s or anyone else’s choice to make. The only time this secret could possibly be acceptable would be if the truth would have hurt Jason in some way. Matter of life and death. Byeyyyy, Suzie Q.

Hi CeeCee,,
well, the writers wanted Jason hooked-up as soon as possible.
imo- He need to be free to search and find himself have a couple of adventures on his journey to him..
–, he was nowhere ready for an instant family..
but– J&S are love couple writers.. they write couples and their love problems (( BORING! but that’s what is ..

@su
Well, my dear, su. J&S are wrong. LOL. We all appreciate being in love with love, but, the writing needs to be reasonable and sensible and sensitive. Now that the truth is getting closer and closer, these writers need to rethink their writing strategy.

Ditto and ditto!

Thats the nail on the head Cee, become Billy Miller’s Jason BUT he knows he is a Q and his mom loves him and misses him so dearly. She has been through hell and back and he should move into the Q mansion and take ownership of his position in that household and be a dear son. The hell with Liz and Sam! Jason, enjoy your sons and find a new love. Oh Liz and Sam would have a cow if Jason started seeing someone else!

I dont think Billy has been wasted either. As you pointed out, he has gotten to play many different emotions in many different positions. Its weird but I never thought of him as Billy Abbott either. Miller is just that good! I do think the fans just got tired of him walking around in a haze and like I always point out, the longer Jason was Jake the sooner Billy Miller’s contract will expire and he will be in “Mission Impossible Six” or something!

I thought of Hayden to BUT she has so much sexual fire with the Prince!

@Timmm.
I know, my Timmm. Nothing beats the sexual fire with the right person. But, is what she has with Nik temporary? We don’t know how magnetic Hayden and Jason would be. A lot more passionately and breathtakingly ‘back-scratching’ than the tame love he has with Liz.
However, my point is , my love, …..imagine the clucking, wing-flapping and running around in circles going on within the chicken coop. Ha! Luv-ya.

First off, Liz is not always so self righteous; however, those sound like words Carly or Sam would say after doing something stupid themselves. Secondly, Liz has not always been sneaky and manipulative. I’m not sure what show you have been watching, but it doesn’t sound like the same GH that I have watched (since the late 70’s) and I have continued to watch throughout Liz’s entire tenure. When she first arrived to GH, she was a teenager who DID act sneaky and manipulative, but that personality changed for the most part once she was raped. Sure she’s done things that have been selfish, but so has Carly, Sam, and many other GH characters. I find it quite remarkable that you do not understand how anyone can root for Liz, but am I to assume that you think people can or should root for characters like Carly and Sam considering all of the criminal and horrible things those characters have done??????

you want jason to “smack” down liz? are you advocating violence towards women? do you really hate liz that much? i love the character and i do want her to feel shame for what she’s done, i just don’t want her getting beat by the likes of sam or carly who have done worse not just to liz but other characters. this two girls sam and carly are mean or turn really nasty when things don’t go their way, so i’m all for liz but not necessaryly am i for her “winning” jason. i want liz to feel really guilty for what she did but no way do i want the likes of carly thinking she’s right about anything, this women should be the last throwing any stones at anyones direction.

Aria, of course I am not advocating violence against women and I am pretty sure you know that. Giving someone a smack down is just a term that means telling them off pretty severely which is exactly what she deserves.
Its funny how you keep seeing hate and even violence in my words when I never once said that I hate Liz. I do think her actions and behaviour in this Jason debacle are disgusting and reprehensible. And I also never said that I root for Sam or Carly. If you would stop comparing Liz to Sam or Carly, you would see that her actions do not deserve any compassion or understanding. There is no getting away from the fact that Liz was wrong lying to Jason for months.

Hey, tatiana. I get what you are saying. “A smack-down” is used as an idiom; an adage, per se. Same as, “I am so hungry; I could eat a horse”. English Class/Grammar/Lit 101.
And, yes….each of them has indulged in vile behavior, one time or other.

Liam and Aria : whew! it’s simply just great to see “Liz” fans…

this trio is REELing ! I just don’t think it’s going any where near … for “all” the Liz and Sam fans

I’m bowled over… but not undone… by all the spewing of vitriol

@Liam

“many” thank you’s; over and over

first and foremost…. of the two LEADing Women to choose from…

it’s Rebecca Herbst from the get go

i’m going to let this ride out now… because; I totally agree, with; what you said above… the GH production team… is going full steam ahead, with ; Jason and Sam & Carly and Sonny. two dull couples

all being led by a screeching sexually frustrated trapped in middle age plus, Carly… she just doesn’t know whats fun anymore

Sonny… who , LOL… is the king pin… but hasn’t really done any thing… as befitting a title… has every other hitmen do his bidding… and we are left with ??? Sonny spilling his seed , his romantic scenes with Laura Wright gag me! Both Sonny and Carly can cry over all their “children” and attempt to carry this show again…

Sam, acts like she’s auditioning for the lead in Love Story; as Ali MacGraw… so devoid of thought process to even stammer any thing intelligible… so bereft and put upon… her yearning and passionless expression… she lacks everything a man would get sick of

Jason… it’s not Billy Miller… he hasn’t been present on screen since he left Y&R… any one can count… on one hand… the number of scenes , near 5 ? that give any indication of BM true acting talent…

THESE new head writers.. have been on screen for upwards of 3 months now… me thinks GH production are relying heavily on these 4 mentioned… to carry the show… and theirs no promise of anything to anticipate

Carly, Sam, Liz, Jason, Nicholas, Sonny… all their past discretion and misdeeds… LOL

come to light ?

wouldn’t it be something… if they did go with Sam and Jason… budda bing budda bing… cherries on top… auld lang syne.. whoop de do… spiral dullsville… “what will Sam do then” prop her hot kittens and purr … we at least got to see Jason being sensitive, and, responding to Liz… back and forth… and a give and take… (in the works?)… perhaps Liz has been holding back some…

if Jason sees the light and still returns Liz affections…. fireworks Liz.. a no holds barred on how to get that man fired up

it’s been a treat nontheless to see Rebecca Herbst on screen

I find it amusing that Liz supporters can only support her actions when comparing them to Carly or Sam. Really? So Carly and Sam have become the moral barometers of the show? Wow, that is pretty sad. Carly is probably the most annoying and hypocritical character on the show but she is right about Jason. He should be making an effort to find out who he is before he makes life changing decisions and shackles himself to Liz.

Elizabeth has always been self righteous but I agree she has not always been manipulative. I actually used to like her way back before she cheated on Lucky with Jason and then later with his brother. She also bedded Zander who happened to be in love with Emily, her best friend at the time. And then tried to convince Ric that she was pregnant with his baby when it was really Zander’s. Shall I go on?
I’ve been watching the same show you have but I don’t judge the characters’ actions against each other. I judge their actions against what I think is bad behavior, regardless of who is acting out. Its funny how Liz supporters seem to forgive and forget her lies, her cheating, her manipulations (she always tries to use her “boys” whenever she tries to weasel out of a deserved smack down) and then say she is not as bad as other characters on the show! LOL.

I don’t care what other characters have done, Elizabeth deserves to get busted and dumped for lying to Jason. I am still waiting for the royal smack down from Jason she so richly deserves!

I do not think anyone hates Liz, Aria. You love using that word so loosely. I love the actress, loved the character, as well. I do not like her actions at this point. I am not well-versed on any of these characters. So I call ’em as I see ’em. I like neither Sam nor Kelly M. I do not like Carly, but I love the actress (Laura). I stand my ground. Jason should be with no one. I think the writers should have given Jason the chance to get to know both Sam and Liz and then have him make a choice…or make one at all.
Are you condoning what Liz did? Do you want her to go unscathed? I want her to pay the piper, not from hate, but for justice. There is always the chance that Jason will forgive her. But, not now. He needs time alone. And, I definitely do not want him with Sam and be bored to death. Honestly, Aria? I am not familiar with either the word nor the feeling of hate.

p.s.: when Billy screamed out… to Sam as she was disrespecting him and Liz in their own house

“Get OUT” get out of our house, i’m done with you”

YES… at that instant in Sam; eyes you could tell… there may not ever be a chance ( even; when, he went back, later that night, to apologize) and now knows the truth.

I need to rephrase that: a woman is going to look after her own; first… because of love and family

bearing in mind… both Sam and Liz… knew in their heart… Jason love(s) them

neither of their relationships ended badly… thereby giving each woman a heart rendering

To a certain extend, yes, Patrick. Women, those who hold themselves to a higher standard, do expect other women’s dais to be rsised a notch. Then, there are those women, in real life, with loose morals ( there are nouns in which I could use to describe them, but I will not) who find exception to what Liz did. But, this is not real life. Rebecca H is a fan favorite, which includes myself. She’s a great actress. So, it sort of becomes hard for some to descriminate. I can pick characters apart most of the time, whether I like them or not. I try to be fair. Until Liz showed this dark side, I was completely enraptured by her. Then, I felt deflated; betrayed, almost.
I also wanted to point out that, as a man, I know you do not want to be used as a patsy. It has something to do with the male ego and pride, no? Jason was hurt; felt betrayed, and for good reason, don’t you think?
At this point, as I indicated earlier, Jason is in a quandary….so am I. Who knows what the writers will have him do. Go back to Liz? Try to rebuild a life with Sam? Go to mommy’s house? Miraculously only remember his medical training? I can only hope he will be Jason Q. When I asked my husband, Patrick, he said that memory or not, one never forgets technical memories; never forgets studies (such as medical training)….or, just like driving a car, swimming or riding a bike…never forgets. Jason is riding his Harley D without a problem, yes? LOL.
However, I am a little confused. Do you find what Liz did inconsequential? Do you agree she has been a bad girl? What many seem to completely dismiss here is that honesty was stomped upon. That is the crux of the matter. I am sure Jason would have forgiven Liz much, if only she had met him half way and had been honest. That’s all, my friend. Bye.

at the very least

geez louise: the much lauded back to back Leading Man Emmy winning performance

to see his command ??? what…

almost like pandering… beneath him… to be left to serve, if you will
Sonny and Carly

I saw yesterday’ ep: Sonny… ” we need him more than ever”

and Carly, once again… (along with Sam) “what are you afraid of? why hiding? the real you is in their… you needed to know the truth

this is not the way to go