PS I neglected to mention that Peter Bergman really rose to the occasion and delivered a powerhouse performance.
We saw him become enraged, now we will see the grief settle in. I liked the scene in which he tried to get through an interview and how he just fell apart in front of the reporter.

AGREE, H and A. Just great performances all around

hey Harry..
LOL yes! let the fight begin, who will be the winner?

((In the end, Jack and Phyllis blah, but let’s hope it’s a good fight!!
I need entertainment .

GO BILLY! Get your pound of flesh !!

Me, too.

I agree. This is the second time Phyllis has cheated on Jack. I say it’s time to show her the door!!!

Hi, Harry, my love,
I am on team zilch!! They are all pitiful. Jack’s puffed-up-all-out-anger is a wee bit too late. His holier-than-thou, “I am da man” attitude was not a one-two-punch in the gut for me.
No attacks, s’il vous plait ….LOL…’Tis my opinion….agree or disagree.
Gina was Grrreat!!!!!! That’s it!!!! Jack should know better than to play house with someone young enough to be his daughter. And, Billy? He should go see a Guru and meditate……meditate so hard until he realizes that he can’t always get what he wants. Especially if that ‘want’ belongs in someone else’s backyard. That is THE sure sign of maturity.

Okay, okay, this is great! I love the competition. However, I am not getting what is is Billy has to be mad at Jack about.

Well, for me personally, I would love Mariah, or Ashley to be front
and center for awhile. Also love Hilary…if she could get a good s/l.

Ahhh!!!!! Hilary?!?!!?!?!?! Nooooooooooo!!!

Lol, Ashleigh. Somehow Hilary grew on me!

Laurene.
I know she slept with Nick. I said she didn’t cheat on Jack because she wasn’t with him anymore.

Actually you are both right– Phyllis and Jack were divorced- but they were having this on and off again thing– they were trying to get back together, when she started her affair with Nick, so she wasn’t exclusive with Jack when she began her affair with Nick– so technically she wasn’t cheating on Jack, but Jack was in love with her , they were having sex because there was some question of whether Jack or Nick was the father–so its depends on your definition of cheating includes someone you are just dating but not married to- if it does then yes she cheated on Jack– if your definition only includes living with someone, being married or engaged– then no she didn’t cheat on Jack– but Nick definitely cheated on Sharon.

Thank you, Mary. That clears it up.

You know Harry I adore you but t nah I don’t get it ! Jason Thompson GT and even PB snooze fest ! I like PB but he has never captured the essenc of Jack ! Jack was a arrogant playboy lived him

I was thinking the same thing about that therapist, jeesh!
And agree about Billy…he is too old to be such a whiny, arrogant
brat. But I do like Jack…he truly was dense, but because he really
loves Phyllis. Dont think he could let his mind go there, but now that
the truth is out, hope he is done with her.

Good point Cee. Besides the therapists bad advice to Phyllis, he was counseling them as a couple. Wouldnt he advise her to seek separate counseling or request Jack’s presence?

@Timmm.
Yes, I think that, too, Timmmy. It not only goes against the grain to give such advice, but also, not to advise Phyllis, as you say, to seek separate sessions with different therapists.
This is another example of TPTB taking liberties and not doing their homework.

@Nanci.
Hello, Nanci. Again, we are of a mind. You are so right about Mariah and Ash….heck, even Hilary…as bad of a girl she is!!!! I’d rather watch her be her nasty self, so credible, than watch Billy.
I respect Mr. Fairman’s opinion….that is, Billy is drowning his sorrows in a bottle and a scantily dressed little vamp. That, to me, merely says what a heel he is. Grow up. We have watched this stuff for years, writers. Give us a constructive Billy story.
As you said, Nanci, his behavior is amateurish and immaturish….not delivering the essence that is Billy.
I must have said this so many times. Billy HAD changed; but, TPTB decided to wind his story backwards. Jason Thompson simply does not cut it for me. He could have really shown us the stuff he’s made of ( think Patrick Drake) if the writing accomodated his personality. But, they wanted to pursue, what they thought, was Billy Miller’s Billy. Not working. Different people, different individuals, different personalities.
Obviously, We are in the in the minority, Nanci. Sobeit. To each his own.
As far as Phyllis….well, yes, Jack loves/loved Phyllis….but, deep down the trust was always missing. He just could not face it. More fool he. He had been bitten badly, by both Phyllis and Billy in the past. So, the discovery should not have come too much of a shock.
A wife who refuses sex with her husband/mate on more than one occasion should ring a bell. And, vice versa. As dumb as Jack was, he believed it was because of Marco.
I bought that myself, until her clandestine-Jezabel ‘ assignations’ with baby-boy started.
‘Nite, Nanci.

Hi Celia,
Yes, how true! They totally wound Billy backwards. Great way to put it. We all
I think expected some growth and maturity from Billy this time around and I
loved JT for the first day or so, lol….then bam! I was like Yuk, Billy is more
of an arrogant and selfish brat than ever before, but without an iota of the
boyish charm that Billy Miller had brought to the role. So instead of us
getting a bad boy to love, we just got an immature jerk I could never root for.
Like you said, we are the minority and some do like this Billy, and I really
wanted to, but noooooo way.

I never said he would lose custody. But his actions over the past several years show a reckless disregard for anyone other than himself. I suggested the arrangement be changed. Billy is a selfish self destructive spoiled brat who doesn’t see his actions bein his own fault but a benefit of what others do that seem to work in his favor.

As for his job, of course he can be fired. It’s his mother’s company and Jill has to look at it from the point of view “do I lose Victoria because she doesn’t want to work with her ex because of his actions that always merge into his personal n professional life OR lose Cane who will once again be disgusted by his FAUX brother.

Billy should be fired solely for that disgusting photoshoot in the office that is ready for a sexual harassment suit since it clearly was for his own personal sexual gratification that for an actual business deal.

1. Do you even know what is sexual harassment i? Apparently not.
2. Who cares about Cane’s opinion about Billy?
3. Isn’t Victoria the one who went to Mexico to see Travis without saying anything to the father of her children? The nanny is more a mother for those kids than Victoria will never be.

Paul, you are absolutely right–what Marco did to Phyllis does fall under the legal definition of rape.
I also agree that Billy’s questionable behavior demonstrates a lack of adhering to moral boundaries. He aggressively pursued Phyllis while she was in a very vulnerable state.
Let us also not forget that he is the real person to blame for Delia’s death, not Adam.

Billy aggressively pursued Phyllis? Where? When? I guess I missed that part. Phyllis spent the last six months knocking at his door but yes, let’s pretend it wasn’t a mutual relationship.

Thx! (Felt I wrote too much and y’all would have said “LESS IS MORE, dude!” LOL)

@Paul.
Hi, Paul,
Billy’s behavior was and is absolutely sexual harrassment. The model was there for a job…..which turned into ‘something else’. Who is to say, she will not turn around and accuse him. It happens in reality on a daily basis i the workplace and/or otherwise.
I have touched on this before….making a lascivious comment on another person IS also, sexual harrassment.
Billy’s days of destruction should be numbered. Shape up or ship out; WRITERS. Tired of his behavior.
All your points are sound and well-taken, Paul. Later.

I’ve said it from day 1, after Marco bragged to Victor that it was rape. Soaps are mainly written with women in mind and I never understand why rape is written for tears one day… phyllis’ sister Avery was raped and it was written as that…. whereas Phyllis has non consensual sex and not one female character turns to her and says “Phyllis you were RAPED!”. Seeing the likes of her own daughter support her grandfather or Nikki say “come on, get over it now cause Victor saved you from Ian” or even Victoria stand by daddy ruins my respect for each of those characters.

Let’s hope with the new writing and producing regimes that if they write it that they don’t skirt around it.

LOL. Summer does not have the ability to conceptualize any situation. Why? She has not one fertile thought in her head.

Exactly! And Jack not only didn’t go after Victor, he wanted Phyllis to deal with the situation he tought it was the right way to deal with it which made her feel “damaged/not ok”.
With a couple of scenes on 9/12/16 they nullified 7-8 months of their own writing. They made the character of Phyllis look totally untrustworthy, because how can you trust someone who radically changes their mind every couple of hours. And that’s the reason, why – as much as I loved the performances – I can’t root for Phyllis/Jack and their marriage.

Hi, Eliza,
LOL…yes, I agree…it should make for an ‘interesting’ or ‘tragic’ ( in a jocular kind-of-way), Thanksgiving.
However, only one, tiny disagreement….well, more of an observation. This fiasco/turmoil in which the Abbotts ‘buried’ themselves is directly derivative and connected to Victor.
In my opinion, Victor is perpetually and ‘sublimely’, lol, the root of all that’s evil and unfortunate in GC.

Embryonic

Cee, I like “Evil Twin” and “Back from the Dead” stories BUT once Marco slept with Phyllis, it was sickening. BUT IF the writers had told the story correctly, it would have panned out okay. But no, they had Red running around like a school girl chasing after Billy boy! In what world would someone be raped, not get counseling and want to F… her brother-in-law? Maybe with the new head writer Phyllis will go under intensive therapy and MAYBE win Jack back if he sees her trying to recover from Marco? Yes, evil Phyllis could use Marco as an excuse to cheat on Jack with Billy BUT they should dig in deep and tell a story that could help other rape victims. AND Double C, my two cents, IF you are going to cheat and do not not recommend it, cheat UP! Billy may be younger than Jack but Billy is not Channing Tatum! Find a hunky guy in the mail room! Jason Patrick, ah, average.

Sorry Laurene, your right. I forgot since I look at Billy as Jason Thompson now and not Billy Miller and forgot Miler’s Billy slept with Sharon. [Who hasn’t!]

Thanks, Timmm

I like them both, but together….sorry, no sparks or attraction noticed by this 35 year viewer.

….have been saying it from day one. No goose-bumps to speak of….with Jack either.
Gina, whose acting I admire…..is not THE femme fatale of old. She does not have that sexuality factor. Having a perfect body does not equate to sexy.
In my opinion….(I am not a man, so it does not count, I guess….but, I can ascertain sensuality to a degree….) Michelle Stafford and Maura Wells are the only two who ooze sex.

If the story were more structured I/O slapped together as only Pratt knows how to do, this could have had more PUNCH.

While Bergman is always up for giving his A game to the character, this just didn’t do it for me – where was this anger during the whole Marco/Kelly fiasco??