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Y&R’s Joshua Morrow Talks The Dark Side Of Nick & That Sexcapade With Phyllis!
When Nick Newman (Joshua Morrow) goes bad … he certainly does it with plenty of gusto! Over the last week, viewers of The Young and the Restless were left stunned when it turned out that this one-time do-gooder, turned heel, but not without purpose. After constantly ending up on the short end of the stick, and after his father Victor’s (Eric Braeden) dirty machinations to take away Nick’s son, Christian, (yes, we know Adam is the bio-dad) and gain custody of the little boy for himself, Nick was left devastated vowing to not let anything like this happen again.
With revenge on his mind, Nick set out a plan that no one got wind of. He leaked documents of Newman Enterprises … he masqueraded around town as the “dead” J.T. Hellstrom (Thad Luckinbill) … he opened his own company to take away his father’s business … and that is just for starters. Now back with the love of his life, Sharon (Sharon Case), once she was clued in on what Nick was doing their relationship seemed on the rocks. So, what was Nick to do? Have sex with Phyllis (Gina Tognoni)! These two former lovers commiserate over their current relationship woes, while being turned on by how Nick pulled the wool over everyone’s eyes.
Michael Fairman TV sat down with Joshua Morrow, who we consider one of the true MVP’s of daytime drama, to dish on all the latest twists which have pulled Nick to the dark side. In addition, what it means for the future in his relationship with Sharon, for that undeniable chemistry Nick has with Phyllis, and how that “J.T.” mask scared the pants off four women he cares about without him even knowing why!
Candid with that razor-sharp wit, here’s what Joshua had to say about what has gone down, and what’s to come!
So, things take a shocking turn when Nick has now donned a prosthetic mask that looks just like J.T …
JOSHUA: Yes, this unbelievably non-creepy looking mask, too. (Laughs)
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However, are you and Thad Luckinbill the same height? (Laughs)
JOSHUA: No, Thad is taller at least by an inch! I did not think it was much of an issue, but it was very technical how they had to shoot that. It was a fascinating process to watch. Thad shot his scenes first, and then I came in and did mine. They imposed my face onto his, and my face is longer and fatter. Since Thad is taller, he had to stand with his legs spread a little bit to get down to my angle. Then, I had to do my scenes in the angle he was originally staring at Victor with; which is why in a lot of the scene I was staying as still as possible. The way the scene was written kind of helped with what we were trying to do technically, in that; Nick was calm and matter-of-fact, and laying out his threat to Victor.
What was your reaction when they first pitched this story point to you that Nick would be masquerading as J.T. with a mask on?
JOSHUA: I remember when Mal Young (EP and head writer, Y&R) first told me about it. I just thought it was the most ridiculous thing. I am like, “What?” I didn’t know if it was going to work, but when we got down to it, I could not believe how incredible it looked on the reveal. It was a real testament to our crew, Mal, and Patty Denney in make-up, and everyone who brought it all together.
Did you ever figure out how Nick knew where to get a prosthetic mask made to look like J.T.? (Laughs) I was like, “Boy, is he resourceful! Who knew that Nick Newman would know where to shop for this!” (Laughs)
JOSHUA: I think he googled it! (Laughs) It’s amazing what you can google!
I would have loved to have added in the scene where Nick is on his laptop thinking hard and typing away feverishly in the search field, “Where to get prosthetic masks.”
JOSHUA: He would have to have found a way not to leak that. People would come by at his work and go, “Why are you looking up masks, Nick?” Meanwhile, he is getting multiple bids from the mask companies. (Laughs)
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When you watched the scene back; what did you think of it? On top of that reveal, you then launched into this intense monologue.
JOSHUA: I thought the scene was beautifully lit and the alleyway looked awesome. Props did a great job of making it look seedy and dark. It took a longtime to shoot. A lot of people were caught up in what was actually happening, but if you add up in words how much I had to say, it was an unbelievable amount of talking. It was essentially a five-page monologue. I studied it so much and rehearsed it so much, that I was starting to lose my voice from it. However, it worked and we did it in one take, which I was pretty happy about it.
Were you and Eric Braeden joking between takes when it had to do with Nick and his “J.T.” mask?
JOSHUA: We made some jokes initially, but because there was so much material, that whenever any of us has something like that to do with that amount of work, you want to try and be as professional as possible to let them get through it anyway they can. Eric is obviously is a pro. He understood what I was having to do.
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It was a great monologue you were given and delivered, especially when Nick pointed out to Victor, that in Victor’s eyes, Nick was his ‘underachieving son.” Y&R has never really explored how Nick was not the shining bright star in the family that Victor wanted him to be, and how Victor heaped much of that praise on Adam, for he was more “Victor-like.”
JOSHUA: Well, he was supposed to be the apple of his father’s eye, and that was what was so disappointing. A lot of people have said that, and I don’t think you can fault Victor for that. He had all these grand plans for Nick, but Nick has just flat out said: “I am going to do what I want to do.” He has done that his whole life. It’s not what his dad wanted. It wasn’t that Victor was disappointed in who he had become, he was disappointed that Nick was not willing to accept the path that Victor planned out for him. I understood what Victor had gone through over the years with Nick. In terms of the monologue, it was a great speech. I thought it was well-written, and the fact that Victor has always been supportive of Adam as opposed to Nick, while Adam has done way more horrible things than Nick has. Nick never really understood that. I thought the scene worked, and it’s a really cool story to tell. I get that a lot of people may not dig it, but this is the most fun I have had on Y&R, since they initially paired Nick with Phyllis.
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Last week, many fans took to social media and were outraged going, “How can Nick do this to his sister, Victoria?”
JOSHUA: I remember saying that to Mal. I said, “I don’t have a single problem with any of this, but Victoria is his best friend. She is this person that he will do anything to protect. The two of them have gone to each other about everything. So, how does he do this to her?” Mal sold it to me by saying, “All Nick is doing is teaching Victor a lesson, and he believes that because Victoria is so close with him that eventually she will come to understand.” Nick knows he is going to hurt her initially, but the hope is that he can sell her on this, and make her join him. I was really hoping for a lot more scenes where they are heartbroken with each other. Those would have been interesting to play, but Nick has been so driven in his plan, and that is a lot of what I have been doing, while Victoria is fighting on the other side. We will see what happens, but there is beauty in conflict that hurts. That is ultimately what this is going to boil down to. Nick is not going to be too hurt by what is going on with his dad, but he should be demolished to see what his sister is going through. Hopefully, they will touch on that.
It all comes back to Nick losing custody of Christian as the tipping point. That was followed by a scene of Nick just looking in the mirror, which foreshadowed that a dark side of Nick will emerge. So, what is Nick’s ultimate plan?
JOSHUA: He wants to destroy Victor, even though he got his son back. Victor crossed such a line with him. After everything Nick had gone through with Christian and Adam, he realized that is father is not just controlling, but this is an evil bastard who would do something like this. Nick made a vow, “I am not going to let him do this to anyone ever again that I care about.” That is what it is rooted in. That he wants to destroy Newman Enterprises that is just a side of it. Nick just really wants to hurt his dad in the worst possible way, and you do that by taking the thing that matters the most to him … his business. I don’t think Nick fully realized the scope of it. He thinks he can just move everything over to his new company and lead the fight in that direction. I don’t know how far he has thought ahead, but he knows what he wants to do right now, and how he is going to do it.
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Does Nick feel “power” now?
JOSHUA: Yes, and it’s a power rooted in the fact that; he still believes he is doing it on his own terms, and is coming from a good place, even though he can’t see the darkness that is slowly creeping in; which I think thematically is really cool. That is; this fight to remain true to himself, but this pull to this dark element that his father is always preaching and really living. The question is: can Nick still maintain this path he wants to go on without doing what his dad has had to do? That is what we will see play out.
Nick is now a man full of surprises. Last week, we also learned that he has started his own company to go toe to toe with Victor … “Dark Horse”. In the process, he is trying to sway family members to join him. How is that working out for him?
JOSHUA: His ultimate goal is to take Newman Enterprises, which was supposed to be this family run company; where everyone was participating, and bringing all their specials skills and qualities that they have, but it really just became that everyone is under Victor’s thumb. Nick wants to do the same thing, but let people be who they are, and bring those things that you are good at, so they can be successful together. He is trying to sell them: “Do this with me and I will let you be you, and you can go as far as you want to within the company.” It’s very idyllic. Now whether it’s doable, who knows? Nick approaches everyone in his family to “Please join my side.” It’s basically creating this line in the sand, that either you are with Nick, or against him. It’s that simple. It’s sort of what Victor does, but Nick does it with a smile. (Laughs)
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What about his mother, Nikki (Melody Thomas Scott)? That puts her in a tough position to choose between the man she loves and her son.
JOSHUA: Nick was really counting on Nikki to be on his side, but Nikki chose Victor. Nick instantly thought that everyone would join him, and that is not the way it panned out. I still don’t’ think he sees the errors in his ways, in the way he went about this, and that is probably due to his ego, and his drive getting in the way of that. Abby (Melissa Ordway) joins him, and Noah, eventually. No one else is his family does. He thought Victoria would jump on it, but she says, “No.” Victoria is finally promised Newman Enterprises and that leads her to say that, and that kind of sets up a cool conflict for Nick and Victoria moving forward as to business people and competing in the same space. His main ally is Jack (Peter Bergman) and Jack is going to join Nick to take on Victor.
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Are you concerned about the fan backlash to your character, who was always the “good guy”?
JOSHUA: I don’t care that people don’t like it. What I do care about is that they don’t give the story a chance and they make it personal if they say, “You are incapable of handling a story of this magnitude.” We are in the business of entertaining people, and sometimes it hits you positively, and sometimes it hits you negatively. Some of the best films I have ever seen, I couldn’t stand the way it was going down, but if it hits you, if it makes you think, if it makes you see people evolving, then it’s interesting, and that’s kind of what has happened with Nick. It’s time for him to do something! He has been sitting on Sharon’s couch and trying other businesses, but at his core, he knew it would eventually lead back down to something like this; doing something on his own terms, which is exactly what he wanted.
Let’s talk about Sharon. Were you surprised that the show put Nick and Sharon back together so fast back in late March of this year, coming on the heels of Chelsea (Melissa Claire Egan) leaving Nick?
JOSHUA: I was really shocked. But, we are all so unbelievably protective of our characters, and while telling these stories, we are trying to tell them as true as possible to them. This happened so fast with Sharon that it felt to me like, a matter of convenience. Melissa Claire Egan (Ex-Chelsea) left and created this kind of void. At the end of the day, Nick and Sharon love each other, they always have. It doesn’t not make sense to put them together. I just thought the timing of it seemed quick and it kind of questioned what Nick and Chelsea were building towards; which I thought would have been an amazing situation. However, when Adam was never around, it lost some of the weight that it would have had. A lot of weight, actually, and then Missy decided to leave, which about killed me. She turned into my best friend here. I love her, and I completely supported her decision, but, what do you do? You can’t just have characters running around alone all of the time. Nick and Sharon will always find their way back to each other. The timing and the pacing is completely up to the writers and the producers. I will tell what ever story they want me to.
How did you feel about the arbitration scenes? I thought everyone was great in them from: Christian LeBlanc (Michael) to Eric, Melody, Sharon, you, and Lauren Woodland (Brittany). Victor and Michael went for the jugular delving into the mental state of Sharon. That ultimately played a major factor in Victor being awarded custody of Christian, and not Nick.
JOSHUA: Weren’t those scenes good? They seemed so real!
Then came the scenes where they take Christian from Nick. Those were so incredibly sad, and watching you as Nick break down in tears is always heart-breaking. It was one of your best performances. How were those for you to portray?
JOSHUA: It was sad, and it is very difficult to do. Playing these kinds of scenes with these children hits me extra hard. I love kids. My whole life I wanted to be a teacher, or a coach. My dad was a teacher. I started to coach U8 Soccer when I was twelve-years old. I love being around children.
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Why do you think that is?
JOSHUA: I don’t know, but I like watching them, teasing them, and that’s why I coach. I create these relationships with these little kids and they just mean so much to me. I know at my core I was meant to be a dad, and a coach. They bring these kids on our show, and you tell these very emotional stories, and you just fall in love with them. They are hard stories to tell when you remove kids from parents. I have dealt with it now several times. They are good stories to tell, well-written, hard to do, but I am always so impressed with the material kids are given – they are often very mature-type storylines, and to watch them tell them makes you swell with pride. Now, that scene in particular with Christian, all that kid has to do is lay on my shoulder, and just that moment alone makes me tear up. It’s like he could feel the magnitude of what was happening. If you notice in the scenes we do, he rarely just lays on my shoulder and like melts into you, and that’s what happened in that moment, and it just crushed me. As an actor, you are still trying to remember what you are doing in the scene, but it was hard to do I love that little boy! We would play in his the dressing room with trucks, and he sees me and he walks out and puts his arms out. It’s not hard to peel him away from the teacher, and he just lays in my arms and talks. I love him, but I feel that way about: Hunter King (Summer), and Robert Adamson (Noah), and Alyia Alyn Lind (Faith), and Camryn Grimes (Mariah), too! I truly treat them as if they were my kids, and if they need anything I would be there for them.
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Right now, Sharon is not happy with this new Nick!
JOSHUA: Nor, should she be.
Of course, now there is major trouble in the relationship, right after Nick proposed to Sharon and she said “Yes.”
JOSHUA: After this incredible move by Nick, she lights into him about it. He goes, “How can you not be happy about this?” (Laughs) She just stares at him. I love the balls of Nick to just say that! It was just a subtle, great moment from Sharon. (Laughs)
Sharon along with Nikki, Phyllis and Victoria buried J.T. in the ground after Nikki smashed him with a poker. Nick doesn’t even know this has happened and he is scaring the wits out of these women!
JOSHUA: What Nick doesn’t know, and I am sure all the fans are screaming; is what all these women know. They think that they killed J.T, and Nick has been essentially terrorizing them without knowing it with this dead body. He doesn’t know what is going on. He is like, “What is wrong with you guys?” (Laughs) So, maybe when it all comes out, Nick will go, “Oh, maybe that wasn’t the best tactic I should have taken.” Right now, they are staring at Nick like he has a second head going: “How can you put us through this?” The women are giving Nick “Halloween eyes”, and he keeps going, “I just don’t get why everyone has a problem with what I did.” (Laughs)
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Nick and Phyllis have sex after he pulls off the first part of his master plan. So, how would you describe what happened that in essence beelines him to his old flame?
JOSHUA: Well, it’s go-time! At his core, he just loves to take his clothes off! (Laughs) So … what happened was … everyone is not happy, of course. Nick comes home and sees that Sharon has removed her ring. She is not home, and he assumes she is not willing to forgive him, and she took the ring off, and it’s over. So, he leaves and is assuming they are on a “break”. Then, he runs into the ‘electric hotness” that is Phyllis, who always gets to Nick. She is upset about Billy (Jason Thompson) and his gambling. They are both not happy, and they have had a couple of drinks. They go to their foreplay which is video games. Nick and Phyllis have always related with video games. They are talking, and I think what ultimately happens is Phyllis is turned on by the things Nick has done, because he had outlined exactly what he did to Victor. Phyllis has a quality in her that responds to that. She finds it very sexy that Nick would go to these lengths and the way that he did it. It’s definitely not propinquity, but something happens. So, they decide to have some good ole’ sex right on the counter on the kitchen. Good place to have sex … it’s really comfortable. (Laughs)
How does Nick feel about it when they are done?
JOSHUA: Nick is a lot of things, but monogamy is not his greatest quality. He feels bad about it, but if you look at Nick and Phyllis’ history, Nick has generally turned to her when he in trouble, heartbroken, confused or sad, and Phyllis seems to pull him out of that with her body.
I foresee a lot of scenes of Nick and Phyllis dancing around what happened, shooting each other weird, or frightened looks back and forth between them, especially when Sharon or Billy are in a room with them.
JOSHUA: Yeah, they both understand the situation. Nick loves Sharon, and Phyllis loves Billy. They both know it was mistake; a one-shot deal between them, and they agree to keep it a secret.
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But … it is really ever over with Phyllis?
JOSHUA: It’s never really over with Nick and Phyllis, unless someone cuts Nick off in traffic when he is in the mode of: “I’ve got to go see Phyllis! She will help me!” Neither one of them wants to turn the page on Billy or Sharon. They make this pact, and they are going to try to move on and pick up the pieces.
Will Phyllis come over to work with Nick at “Dark Horse?”
JOSHUA: He does approach Phyllis about coming over to work with him, and he says, “Remember, what we did with our clothes off? Should we do that with suits and briefcases?” (Laughs) No, but seriously, she declines. Phyllis says she is really happy with what she is doing, and she also says, it’s not the best thing for them to be doing, since they just had sex with each other, and they are going to try and forget about it and move on, and that they should not be around each other every single day. Phyllis is right. They should not be around each other every single day, because ultimately they will just start having sex again.
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Do you think Nick getting custody of Christian back happened to quickly?
JOSHUA: No, I don’t. Victor clearly had some other issues going on, but I don’t think you could make a believable case that Nick should not have this little boy. No sane judge, no lawyer, would make that decision. I think once cooler heads prevailed, and that Victor is not exactly healthy, they saw that Nick should raise Christian.
Does Nick know what is physically wrong with Victor?
JOSHUA: He knows Victor is having some kind of side-effect from the stroke. I don’t think he knows the extent, or that he is being treated by Dr. Nate Hastings (Brooks Darnell).
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Would that be a game-changer for Nick, if his found out his dad was very sick and fighting for his life? Would Nick even care at this point?
JOSHUA: Well, outlining the story it just can’t be this one note: Nick is going to destroy his father for the rest of his life. There has to be some way for them to reconcile. Maybe, it is over Victor’s health. That would make a lot of sense to me. I don’t know how it is going to all play out, but I don’t think it makes a lot of sense for Nick and Victor to hate each other for the rest of their lives. Eric and I have such great scenes together, and there are nice moments when we are allowed to be father and son. I love the story and I hope that they don’t cut it off, but the writers will have to come up with some way to bridge that gap.
They have to redeem Nick, too.
JOSHUA: Yes, they can’t just let him be fingers in the air, and “I’m the man, and everyone else can go screw themselves.” That being said, I am really looking forward to the struggle of that happening. It’s a story I am looking forward to telling.
You always said in past interviews that you liked playing the hero.
JOSHUA: Yeah, and even when I was young I wanted to be a fireman. I was obsessed with the idea of rescuing people. I just wanted to save people. Nick does have that quality. He does want to protect his family and fix things for everyone.
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However, it must be so nice and refreshing for Nick to have a dark side, finally!
JOSHUA: It sounds crazy to say, but having some darkness to play is refreshing. It’s given me a whole new lease on life around here. I am coming up on my 25th year on Y&R, early next year. Six months ago, I was thinking “I am done at 25 years. I just don’t think I can do it anymore. It’s been a great run. I’ve said everything I can say.” But honestly, this story has given me a new energy about it that I don’t see that happening.
What did you think of: Nick and Phyllis having sex? His motives for masquerading as J.T.? Creating his own company to take down Victor? Do you like the darker side of Nick? Have you enjoyed the performances in this storyline from Joshua? Comment below!
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Nick and Phyllis need to stay away from each other. It’s obvious that nick belongs with Sharon and Phyllis really does belong with Billy, although I don’t think Sharon should forgive nick easily. Nick repeatedly crosses the line over the years with Sharon wear as Phyllis truly just made a terrible mistake. Phyllis and billy could and should overcome this.
I always loved phylis and Nick together
Love Phyllis and Nick together. They are the best. Love the old Nick but he is even better as new Nick that can stand up for himself and his family. Not Mal Young, Nor Amelia Nor Thad will ever convince me to believe JT changed over the years to be as he was to Victoria. Thad are Amelia are both Talented, Amazing performers but put in Outstanding jobs with what they were given; but in the end; anyone that knew these characters of Victoria and JT always loved them as a couple and could always see and feel their love for each other. Sorry, JT was always too Nice a guy, always to the rescue of a woman. He would never ever consider hurting that Special one.
The dark side of Nick was great until he had sex with Phyllis. That’s when I felt let down by the character. The names I was calling him when the deed was done can’t be printed here.
I have loved watching Josh play Nick’s dark side. His scene with Victor when he brought Christian’s things to the club was phenomenal. I am on Team Nick but I am furious with him for having sex with Phyliss. Hoping Summer is successful in her plot.
Nick needs to stay far away from Phyllis!! Philly is too hot to be messing them up!! Angst is one thing.. sick of the third party person in that relationship. Stay away from my girl Phyllis!! Let her be happy with Billy!! ❤️
Sex with Phyllis ruins Dark Nick for Me. I hope Nick and Sharon are able to work it out.
It’s all stupid, the newman’s have not been a family in forever god just let them be !! You keep sorry actors like tessa and Kyle and gloria and Jill they all need to go . You let the best go the last Adam that was on and Chelsea and the last Billy, sage , and Michelle Stafford you need to pay them more and fight to keep the greats !! The story line is getting way off script from the cliff hangers from ages ago . Lilly in jail really ? She has to pay cause no one does fans are saying ?? Really? What about sharon burnt down Victor’s house ,took a baby , killed sage by rushing after her , so much crap ! Nick for killing the girl off the roof that his daddy helped.him out of and so much other crap . They want vic to pay for whatever especially his kids but yet they don’t mind taking his money , using his name, wanting his help when they get in trouble and ect …
With all due respect to the writer, Gloria and Jill may have diminished roles, but keep them. They are some of the very best!
Love the new nick but why did he have sex with phyllis? You are ruining the storyline. Don’t let hilary leave the show.
I AGREE…..THE SEX WITH PHYLISS ON THE KITCHEN COUNTRY WAS SO UNCALLED FOR. JEERS TO THAT SCENE. HE IS ENGAGED TO SHARON. FOR ONCE LET NICK AND PHYLISS BE LOYAL TO THEIR SIGNIFICANT OTHERS.
First of all I have always loved Nick and Joshua Morrow. He usually can do no wrong ,in my eyes. Nick feels so strong about what he’s doing to Victor, which I am all for, but I am afraid it’s all going to come back to bite him in the ass! With very little family support, especially from the ones that mean the most,I think will bring out his so-called dark side, even more so, in trying to prove that he is right. I hope it works out, and Nick at least gets to keep Christian, if and when Adam comes back.
I actually like dark Nick. Deleted the episode he slept with Phyllis, not a fan at all. I would love to see he and Sharon be a power couple.
Phyllis is a better partner for this stronger, tougher Nick. She can support him in business and emotionally a lot better than Sharon. I like this lighter, happier Sharon but, she’s fragile and convenient, not fierce and powerful. Nick does not have time for Sharon’s doubts and fears while he fights Victor. Either strengthen Sharon and make her a support to Nick or, give him Phyllis to work by his side and help make his company stronger like she did for Fenmore’s and Jabot. He needs more help than Abby and Noah and Jack who ALWAYS loses to Victor.
Phyllis and Billy are done. They have not been viable since he started colluding with Summer. Summer has power over Billy, the addict. He is in destructive mode, Summer is a wrecking ball who shares and understands his gambling obsession so their affair is inevitable – especially after Billy finds out Phyllis slept with Nick and he will because Kyle knows.
Bring on Phick!
It’s funny because you talk about how great Phyllis can be for Nick but nothing about what Nick can bring to Phyllis.
Basically the story of their relationship. Phyllis gave Nick everything and he gave Sharon eveything. Thanks but no thanks.
Phyllis and Billy are NOT done and I know they will reunite soon.
I’m with you. Phyllis and Nick. They need to bring Dylan back for Sharon. Nick with Phyllis can stand up anyway to both Victor and Nikki. A Good Man fighting for his life and Family needs a good Strong Feisty Woman by his side. That for Nick is Phyllis 100%. Sharon is weak, whiny and can’t ever make her mind up. I don’t think Nick nor Phyllis has ever gotten over the fun and love they shared together. Joshua is amazing, Gina is the very Best of the 3 actress to be Phyllis. More BEAUTIFUL, yet every bit as Scheming as the Stafford one. Gina is Phyllis and Awesome as her.
I don’t know, Ray..”.firstly, nuPhyllis does not depict the true Phyllis….albeit Michelle’s Phyllis was going towards the path of righteousness, a character does not change so drastically overnight.
Gina Tognoni is not Phyllis no matter how TPTB try to mold her into the character.
I remember perfectly how Phyllis’ and Nick’s relationship came to be….. through deceit and lies.
Nick and Sharon ( a couple I have wanted together forever) should not remain together after what he did….but, picking up where he and Phyllis left off is a worse tragedy.
I still cannot accept Gina as Phyllis……can’t stand nuPhyllis–I vehemently protest—wrong age; considering she is the mother of a son in his late thirties and a grandmother. Too young to play Phyllis.
Perhaps, this is what she and Nick do need….get back together and destroy each other….that’s what they deserve.
Summer is a carbon copy of her mother….uses people with one idea in mind. Get what she wants.
Billy is no better. Weak men have no business being part of a true, meaningful relationship. These writers ( all soaps) tear characters to death as the worst beings crawling on their bellies, and then expect us to accept their resurrection and transformation into good, honest, moral people. I don’t think so.
Such phenomenon will only happen when elephants nest in trees.
But, it’s a soap, right?…. Still not buying it.
Nick has a long history of being a cheater. I had hoped he had changed, but apparently not. Sharon will not be happy! Billy shouldn’t be surprised. Phyllis cheated on Jack with him.
Joshua Morrow has been rocking this storyline. This is some Emmy-worthy material he has been given, so I hope he considers himself for an Emmy in 2019. He is a leading male and should be treated as one. My friend, who isn’t very pro-soaps, even says Joshua is a fantastic actor! I’m here for Josh getting to bring this storyline to life!
Yes. Josh is Great. Every time Sharon gets all falling into place, she starts whining and can’t stand on her own two feet. Phyllis needs a real man like Nick; Not a lying gambling man as Billy. The strong and the weak in Phyllis and Nick equals out to perfect mate. Nick can lean on Phyllis when he needs, she can on him, with Sharon, it is always about her. Nick and Sharon are Fun together. They Live.
People ride GH for its camp but a JT mask? Remember when Y&R told stories with class and very little props? I love the camp over at GH but on Y&R, I just dont recognize the show. Why? Besides the mask, Nick finally stood up to the Stache and he gets ridiculed by his Mom, Vickie sticks by Victor and Sharon runs like her hair is on fire! So Nick thinks Sharon left him so he runs to “The Smirk” for a night of disgusting sex! Nick CANNOT love Sharon. What a slap in the face to SHICK fans! Sharon may be keeping a major secret from him but it has nothing to do with sex! They are just making Nick into “ADAM LITE!”
Other problems?
Who is Billy Abbott?
Who is Jack Abbott?
What a cheap ass way to get rid of Ashley!
And killing off Hillary, why? You want diversity? Okay, fine, hire good decent actors who can act. The lady who portrays Hillary is good. Why not send her off for a return someday? No, they wont kill off Devon who sucks in so many languages but cuts Hillary? I have NO feelings for their loss or Hillary’s death because the dude who plays Devon is horrible, Hillary was a horrible person and this guy who plays Nate is all body and no acting chops whatsoever!
Arturo is on contract now. Glad to see an actor succeed but what is his purpose? Like Ravi, a good actor with no real connections to the show or strength as an individual to turn heads.
Lastly, just like over at GH, Y&R HAD a good Alzheimer story and they just keep draging it out way too long. Then, also, you wont see the characters all week and then they pop in and your supposed to feel for them? I want the characters around but either use them or lets wrap it up!
Timmm, is it just me or does this Nate character always look like he’s trying to pass a gall stone? Guess his meager bag of actor’s tricks has already been exhausted. We need him why, exactly? And I agree the Abbotts have been treated appallingly. Makes me sad to watch my favorite family in tatters. You know you’re in trouble when you’re rooting for Kyle to unseat perennial weakling Billy. And Nick an Phyllis behave like animals..shame on them!
Soaphound…oh, I agree. To me, NuNate ain’t cutting it for me. BEYOND BLECH!!!!!
Later.
Nick and Phyllis were HOT AS HELL! I was so thrilled that they had sex. I can not wait to see them share knowing glances and looks.
I also love that Nick asks her to join Dark Horse.
Keep up the Phyllis and Nick interaction! That’s what got me to tune back in.
Amen and Hallelujah! Leave that boring, whiny Sharon and let’s have some Phick heat and winning for a change.
Some Billy and Summer forbidden sex and rock and roll is probably next up and I’m here for it♂️
Amen. Love my Nick and Phyllis Nick with Sharon is like being at deaths door.
Josh, your first reaction to the mask storyline and its reveal was spot-on: “most ridiculous thing.”
Nick (Joshua) is smart, witty, handsome & honest… (Is that all son?….Love dad)
I have also been waiting for a s/l that takes Nick in a new direction. There have been too many stories that are stale and underuse JM and his acting range. I agree the reunion with Sharon was forced; it seems like there are only two or three romantic possibilities for him-Sharon, Phyllis or his brothers castoff. Cast a new dynamic, challenging woman for him.
I like the show lately, esp Dark Horse and Hevon. I have watched for awhile and I love the families. Bringing back Malcolm and Adam could add to the momentum.
The omly thing I did not like was Nick and Phyllis ,I hate her .Although I love Gina Still miss her Kelly and every one from O L T L .but I cannot stand Phyllis near Nick .I found Chelsea boring with him ,I only like him with Sharon Didnt like him with Avery either l,Love Sharon with Nick and M M s Adam .Not Dylan ,Scott was fine Didnt Like Abby with Scott ,by I love her with Arturo,Anyway I do like Nicks story as long as they keep him with Sharon !
Loved the Fri show today, at least the part at T.O.T,T with the Newmans and Abbotts, especially Nick and Billy’s little push and shove, and Nick’s parting “shot” at Billy.I was really cheering him on. Billy is going off the deep end again, as Nick said, always ruining every good thing he gets his hands on. I really like Billy, and wonder why they always make him such a screw-up. He will get it for sure from both Nick and Phyliss, after he defiles their baby girl. That’s one little snowflake that melted a long time ago!
If they do Phick again, I am done. Phyllis is not strong, she’s just a psycho that has borderline personality disorder and Nick is histrionic. JM knows how to put his foot in it in an interview because from what I can gather, he really does not like his co-star Sharon Case, he goes over and beyond to praise his other female co-stars, he appears a bit delusional when he thought Chelsea and Nick had a great situation; they had no chemistry, Nick and Sage: absolutely no chemistry. Nick and Phyllis: no chemistry with high vomit rates. Nick and Avery: some chemistry with no long term potential. It probably would have been best if JM did leave. I enjoyed the Memories Back to the 90s, but frankly his personality as a person makes me now not interested in anything he does with y&r. At this point he has become a PR nightmare for me. It has made me less likely to tune into the show although I do agree that they rushed the Shick reUnion too fast. Christian being returned back to Nick was too fast. There was a lot of drama that could have played out of that had he not been putting Saint nasty Sage on the pedestal. They should allowed him to go about 8 months before he received Christian back and then blast him with Public humiliation by outing him on GC Buzz reporting he was NOT the father…Two years later, bring Adam back with a long custody battle with him permanently losing custody rights and only having a transitional period of visitation. Then Nick should go to Sage’s grave, curse her, and tell her that she, was never the love of his life, that she was just a rebound play from Sharon lying about Summer’s paternity, and he got caught up and trapped into marrying her because of the baby that really never was his in the first place.
Yeah, i don’t like how JM said he doesn’t care what people think…I agree he thought he had Chelsea were a great couple, on what show. They were so boring…….Sharon Case makes JM’s character relevant………The chemistry between Sharon and Nick is off the charts…All of Nick’s other partners are boring……I don’t know what the beef is between he and Sharon Case, everyone is talking about it..What’s his deal?
I found Ph-ick sex scene disgusting, and deleted it..I was cheering Nick on for going after Victor until his disgusting sex act with Phyllis…Now I hope Victor wipes the floor with him… Set Sharon free, she deserves better than loser Nick!
I do not know what the deal is because they (Sharon Case & JM) were close and vacationed together with his wife. I don’t mind dark Nick; I think that is a great idea and I do not mind an edgy Sharon, but I am sick of people listening to JM for storyline ideas; none of the work. I am tired of Mal; UK soaps are different from US soaps-he needs to get with the US program real fast!
Nick and Phyllis are a perfect match
To me nick is just as important as Eric Braden he has grown into the show as his son and sons have there own ideas about there futures so let this new side of nick grow a change is as good asa rest
FRANKLY I ABSOLUTEY THE NEW DARK SIDE OF NICK AND HIS NEW BUSINESS VENTTURE DARK HORSE. I HOPE HE FINALLY PUTS NEWMAN ENT. IN THE GROUND. I HAVE NEVER BEEN OVERJOYED WITH NICK…HE NEVER STAYED WITH ONE VENTURE FOR VERY LONG. NOW HE HAS A REAL PURPOSE IN LIFE AND I’M LOVING THIS STORYLINE. AS FOR NICK AND PHYLISS…..NO NO NO! PLEASE WRITERS DO NOT GO THERE AGAIN!!!!!!!!!!
People need to lighten the hell up on Josh. He’s an ACTOR. God forbid he wants good story. Just because he doesn’t want to be “sitting on Sharons couch” doesn’t mean he doesn’t love Sharon Case. He obviously does, I’m sure she is like a sister. But think about it. Their characters have been back and forth with each other for practically the whole 25 years he’s been on the show. Same story over and over. What would you feel like if you were in your job for 25 years and you never had new challenges? I wanted Adam to come back more than anyone, but it’s clear now Mal isn’t going to do that. Instead he’s giving Nick Adam’s story and Josh has better material and story to do. I’m happy for him as an actor and you should be too. He’s waited long enough for some fun. Good luck Josh!
It’s time for Nick to grow up and not be so wishy-washy. Looks like he’s headed that way. Hope he finally gives it to Victor. Tired of Victor getting by with everything.
I think phyllis should go back to back. And back should find they made a mistake with the DNA results. Happens alot. He SHOULD be back at jabot with phyllis by his side and Billy exposed for his gambling and money loss and the jaboat!
The chemistry that Nick and Phyllis had was when Phyllis was played by the fantastic Michelle Stafford! I don’t see any chemistry at all between Nick and the current Phyllis! I would like to see Nick remain with “the love of his life” Sharon for awhile and see Phyllis back with Jack who I think is the true love of her life… I am enjoying the new smarter Nick and hope that he can succeed without being as ruthless, not caring who he hurts, egocentric and vile – like Victor! I want Nick to succeed because he is still filled with the light that is missing from his father!
I’ve watched Y&R since day one. It just gets better and better.
I love the darker side of Nick
Interviews
Mishael Morgan Talks on Her Return to Y&R and Tackling the New Role of Amanda Sinclair
So, just how did The Young and the Restless lure back one of the series most powerhouse actresses to take on a brand-new role? Mishael Morgan, who earlier this year was nominated for a Daytime Emmy for Outstanding Supporting Actress in a Drama Series for her gut-wrenching final performances as Hilary Curtis, reveals in a new interview with Michael Fairman TV, what went down to bring her back to the CBS Daytime drama.
As fans know thus far, after appearing as ‘Ghost Hilary” through the late spring and summer, Y&R’s creatives worked behind the scenes to get Morgan back on screen without tainting Hilary’s ultimate demise. That is when they came up with the role of the sexy yet tough lawyer, Amanda Sinclair.
So, enter Mishael in a new wig and style that defines Amanda as her own character. Question is, since Amanda is a dead-ringer for the late Hilary, are they related? And, what will ultimately be proven to be in her DNA? In story, Amanda entered the scene as the often-mentioned Chance Chancellor’s attorney. She shows up in Genoa City to contest the legitimacy of the late great Katherine Chancellor’s will and the fortune she left to Devon (Bryton James). With Devon directly in Amanda’s line of fire it sets the stage for potential fireworks down the line.
We sat down with Mishael backstage at Y&R for this informative and entertaining chat as we officially welcome back this truly kick-ass performer. Here’s what Mishael shared below.
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What transpired behind the scenes to make it possible for you to come back to Y&R?
MISHAEL: Tony Morina (executive producer, Y&R) kind of gave me a little bit of a heads up. They called me back to come in and do the ghost episodes as Hilary, and it happened really quickly. It was like, “Hey, Mishael, do you think you can do this? Yeah? Okay. We’ll work it out with your team. Alright. We’ll see you tomorrow.” (Laughs) It was really, really fast. I was hesitant for a second about the whole Hilary ‘ghost thing’, because I felt good about how we wrapped up Hilary’s storyline. I’d only left for a couple of months, and I still felt funny about it, but I was like, “I’ll do it. She’s a ghost … so she hasn’t returned from the dead. So, it’s fine.”
Originally, I was concerned that they were going to have you as Hilary keep popping up as a ghost to Devon for an indefinite amount of time; when the show has already done that with Jack Abbott (Peter Bergman) and his father, John (Jerry Douglas). Because of your previous performances, and Emmy-nominated performance for the final arc of Hilary’s story, I thought, in the end, it might detract from that.
MISHAEL: Yes, and I think that’s how I felt too, but I agreed to do it because they said that it was going to be a max of seven episodes. So, while I was doing that, Tony was on set watching the scenes. Next, he just called me up and said, “Well, how do you feel about coming back?” I was like, “Coming back? Hilary is dead. Like, Hilary is dead-dead. Is this going to be an alternate universe?” (Laughs) He said, “Well, no. You’d be coming back as a different character.” That was really intriguing to me, because one of the reasons why I left was because I felt like creatively I’d played a character from beginning to end, and it felt like it would just be nice to go off and play somebody new. I never in a million years thought that I could come back to Y&R and actually play someone new! That was weird to wrap my head around when they said, “You’d play a new character,” but then when they said she was going to me a lawyer, my ears really perked up! I’ve always wanted to play a lawyer, because I have the background where I wanted to be a lawyer in real life. So, then I’m like, “OK. Now I get to play a lawyer on TV.” They really got their hooks in to me with that … and just hooked me in from there. Then, I got open to the idea and the story that Josh Griffith (head writer, Y&R) wanted to tell.
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Once you learned the idea of the story from Josh, it seemed that things happened very quickly! We all found out about your return via a social media post where you got to tell the fans yourself that you were coming back … but as a new character.
MISHAEL: It happened relatively quickly in terms of me tentatively coming back, but then they still had to write the story. So, everything wasn’t really confirmed until a couple of weeks before I started taping again. We were in talks for about two months, and we worked it all out. I said, “I’d do it,” and then it was 100% confirmed around August of this year, and I was airing in September. It was kept was very, very quiet.
Are you still figuring out what Amanda’s back-story is?
MISHAEL: I am. I feel like every writer is a little different, and I feel like Josh likes to keep things very close and tight to his chest so that you kind of don’t know what’s happening. Josh gives you enough information to play a little bit of something that is coming down the pike, but he doesn’t really disclose everything. I’ve gotten little hints, and I kind of know where we are going, but I still don’t know the whole back-story of Amanda. I’m still trying to figure her out. If she’d been the polar opposite of Hilary, I think it might have been easier, but if you read her description, she’s very much like Hilary: A-type, strong, driven, all of those things. Hilary had this very malicious, unscrupulous side to her, but I don’t know if Amanda has that. In terms of the general description of the character, they’re very similar, which I was happy about just because I like playing strong women on TV. If they had said, “We’re bringing on this character, and she is homeless” … or somebody who was super quiet… that would pose a different set of things for me as an actress. I think seeing strong women of all different colors, shapes, and sizes is so important right now on TV, and it is very relevant. I am happy to be a part of that.
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What was it like playing all of these entrance scenes as Amanda where your former and current scene partners had to suspend belief? There’s Bryton James, Christel Khalil, Daniel Goddard, Jess Walton, and you, and Amanda walks in like, “Hey there!” (Laughs)
MISHAEL: We just laughed about it. It’s one of those things that is so funny, and it can only happen in the world of soaps. A lot of the fans said, “This is weird,” in the beginning, but the fans love the show, and they accept it, and they do suspend their disbelief, and then it becomes normal. We just had fun with it.
You’re like, “Hi, do you like my new hair?” (Laughs)
MISHAEL: That was the thing too. (Laughs) I don’t even think Christel even saw my hair until she came to set, and she was like, “Oh wow! I like your new hair.”
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What happened when you and Christel taped the scenes where Lily sees Amanda for the first time, after the former contentious relationship of Lily and Hilary that ultimately changed the course of both their lives?
MISHAEL: For me, it was super fun and easy because I don’t know any of the Hilary/Lily back-story. I just play very oblivious like,“Hi, I’m just here.” (Laughs) So, it’s very easy for me, but I almost envy a lot of the other characters who have to play all of these layers because Lily does have that back-story because she was charged for Hilary’s death, and the guilt associated with doing something like that, and also the hate that she had for Hilary. Then overcoming that hate, and then going on that entire beautiful journey that they had together as women. But now having that as a layer, and adding on top of it this woman who looks exactly like Hilary, but is a completely different person, is really interesting. Even for Bryton, I feel like he has a golden opportunity as well, because to have that love of your life, and then a new love of your life there in Elena, and then see a woman who looks just like your ex-wife is, I’m sure, really difficult. Your mind would just be exploding!
How did Bryton find out that you were coming back, and what was his reaction to the news?
MISHAEL: Well, I came in for the ghost episodes, and I just couldn’t hold it in any longer. I told him before we finalized this new deal. He’s a friend of mine. I wanted to get his opinion, and he was like, “You should do it!” I was like, “Really? It feels so weird because I just left a year ago, and I was so happy and content with leaving, so it feels weird to come back.” He was like, “No, it will be fine.” He’s like, “The fans will love you either way. They’ll want you back.” I was worried about how the fans would feel because it is such a quick return.
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What is the feedback you’re getting from the fans thus far on your transformation from Hilary to now Amanda?
MISHAEL: I feel like it’s pretty positive for the most part. There are always going to be a couple of fans who are skeptical … or who don’t like the storyline … and even if they don’t like it they say, “This is kind of weird to bring her back as a different character. We miss Hilary, but we love that Mishael Morgan is back, so, that kind of makes it all OK.”
The story that brings Amanda to Genoa City revolves around the legitimacy of Katherine Chancellor’s (the late Jeanne Cooper) will, and she comes in and says there was a counterfeit will etc. She’s the messenger at this point and her client is Chance, correct?
MISHAEL: Yes, Amanda’s client is Chance.
Isn’t she starting to question the legitimacy of her client?
MISHAEL: Yes, but I think she still believes that it was Chance. She’s kind of wondering now … because she even accuses Jill (Jess Walton). She’s like, “It’s your grandson. He’s all out to lunch. He’s not getting back to anybody.” Jill is very much in the headspace where she is like, “Well, this is probably not my grandson.” Amanda is like, “I’m pretty sure it is.” So, I think Amanda still thinks that it is Chance, even if he is a criminal, and even if he is doing something tricky.
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How did Amanda get contacted by Chance in the first place to take this case?
MISHAEL: It was an email, and then Amanda spoke to him on the phone … or at least to who she believed was Chance. He signed the papers, he scanned them over, and he forwarded Amanda the retainer. She had no reason not to believe that it was him.
So, when Amanda came to see Devon and company, she had no idea that there was this lookalike of her that was intertwined with this family?
MISHAEL: No, but then after Devon tells Amanda about all of this, she sees pictures of Hilary online, but this is all done off-camera.
Does Amanda now suspect that she could be a twin?
MISHAEL: I think so. I’m kind of playing that or keeping that there. I’m kind of playing that as part of the reason why I want to stay in town because Amanda is intrigued by this other person who looks like her. This could possibly be family. I think it adds an extra layer as to why she wants to stay on Genoa City. It is not just because she likes this person, or that person. I think it is because she wants to figure out her connection to this person who looks just like her.
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We’ve seen Amanda be a little shifty.
MISHAEL: Maybe a little bit. (Laughs)
What do you think we, as the audience, should be feeling at this point about Amanda?
MISHAEL: I think we just have to wait and see. Hilary had a lot going on before I left, and this is a new character who is slowly building.
I think that one of the things that daytime shows often have done wrong is that when they bring in a new character, they shove them down the audience’s throats too fast that they get sick of them. I don’t know if that’s the tactic for the emergence of Amanda, more of a slow burn?
MISHAEL: I feel like they are definitely doing a good job of building her character slowly and adding layers. It’s not all coming out right away. I feel like people should be feeling excited to try and figure out who this woman is because that is what it is eventually going to be leading to. Right now, we are all just together in trying to figure out who she is. I feel like everybody is really excited (and I am too) to get going, but even when Hilary came to Genoa City, it took about a year for her to catch her stride. I think it’s going to take a while to really understand the meat of this character and how she fits into everyone’s lives.
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Do you think Amanda feels badly about what is going on with Cane and Devon with the will, and how it would change both their lives forever?
MISHAEL: Yes. I definitely think that she feels badly about that. In the beginning, it was very much her job. I think when Devon is contemplating giving over his fortune, it makes Amanda see him in a different light, and her empathy for him starts to increase because she sees that he is a good guy, and that there wasn’t anything that he did that was malicious.
I think there is an attraction brewing here between Devon and Amanda.
MISHAEL: Possibly. I mean … Devon was attracted to someone who looked like Amanda.
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Will she like him if he has no money, though?
MISHAEL: I don’t know… I mean, Hilary definitely wouldn’t. (Laughs)
What do you think about working with Brytni Sarpy (Elena)? I see a triangle or quadrangle brewing and I see catfights in your future!
MISHAEL: I love Brytni. I definitely see that because Elena is definitely in the state of mind where she can’t stand this Amanda character. The second she walked through the door, she couldn’t stand her. I’m sure there are going to be some catfights coming. I’m sure that it is going to be very entertaining for everybody! We’ll see.
Because you were considering being a lawyer … wait until you get into the courtroom set for some scenes!
MISHAEL: I know, I’m excited for that!
Christian LeBlanc (Michael) always loves the courtroom monologues because he says it’s like doing a stage play. Will you be up for that?
MISHAEL: I think it’ll be ready for it. I had a little one already to kind of warm up. I won’t tell you what it was about. I was like, “I can do this,” and I think it would have been even more fulfilling if there were an actual jury there where it feels like you’re performing.
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What kind of lawyer is Amanda? Does anyone know? (Laughs)
MISHAEL: Well, right now she specializes in estates and trusts, but the one thing that I do know about attorneys is that technically with your license you can kind of do anything. It is just that your experience will be in a specific area. So, certain people may not want you to defend them, because you’ve never defended people in these cases. I feel like it is not the same as a surgeon. A surgeon specializes in the heart, and they don’t really do anything else, but as an attorney, you can kind of do anything. You can defend anyone if the price is right and you feel confident.
When you were thinking of being a lawyer, did you think of the kind of lawyer you wanted to be?
MISHAEL: Well, when I wanted to be a lawyer, I wanted to be an international human rights lawyer. So, something very different. I wanted to save the world.
You know what they should do? Maybe Amanda could have a courtroom show. Instead of Judge Judy, it could be called Judge “Mandy”!
MISHAEL: Put people in their places.
That’s if Amanda doesn’t get a talk show gig on the side, like Hilary did with GC Buzz! (Laughs)
MISHAEL: With the courtroom cases, and the talk show, that would be a lot.
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We talked about Hilary and taking her through everything she had gone through, and it really was the perfect ending when she passed. Do you look back on that time and that work which we all loved so much?
MISHAEL: Yes, I do. I still look back on it, and I feel so blessed to have gone through that journey with her and to have created such a great character. There are times when I’m like, “Yeah, coming back as Hilary would have been a lot of fun,” because I read the lines, and I know how Hilary would say everything, and now I have to figure out how Amanda says it – and it never feels the same, because I got so used to this being Hilary’s home. I feel like Amanda is a little more like me, so there is a little less playfulness happening.
You want more of that which is reminiscent of Hilary, or not as much with Amanda?
MISHAEL: I feel like naturally there is not as much now with Amanda, but I do want more of the playfulness to happen. It’s fun to play that on camera. I feel that’s the fun of acting and pretending in that you get to be less of yourself, and more like a character. Hilary was so different from me that it was just so fun to play her. I feel like I’ve got to find those things in Amanda that make her unique and different that I can indulge in.
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In real-life you’re now a mom of two. When you leave your kids to come to work, is it hard for you?
MISHAEL: It is, but it’s okay because my husband stays at home with them. We bounce back and forth. He doesn’t work when I am working, and the days when I am not working, I am at home, and I get to enjoy time with them. Then, when I am working, he stays home, and he gets to enjoy time with them. It sucks to leave them, but at the same time it’s great to know that they are getting to spend time with their father, and I’m getting some ‘me time’. I think that is necessary, because being a stay at home mom was a lot harder than I thought. It is exhausting, and you are always on call. You feel like you’re a surgeon. It is just too much at times.
You always have the best Instagram photos with your kids and their outfits. Are you going to have them dressed for Halloween?
MISHAEL: Oh, yes. They are going to dress up. My son is going to be a firefighter, and I am going to be the fire, and my husband is going to be the fire hydrant, and my daughter is going to be the fire dog, the little Dalmatian!
Were you thrilled that you had a daughter this time, after previously having a son?
MISHAEL: Yes. At the time, I was okay with whatever the gender turned out to be. I know everybody says it, but as long as they’re healthy, that is the most important thing. I even thought about if I did have another boy, there would be that brother bond. I grew up with sisters so to give him a brother would have been great, too. Everybody always wants to have one of each because you want to be able to see what a boy would look like, and what a girl would look like, and their temperaments and all of that. So, it’s nice that we got one of each. We are happy. We are good. No more kids in my future. (Laughs) I shouldn’t say that too much because what if I do get pregnant, and my kid is like, “I was definitely an accident, Mom?” (Laughs)
We don’t know who Amanda has ties to at this point, but would you like to see her in another romantic relationship with some guy who is not Devon?
MISHAEL: I would like to see that just because it would be something that kind of defines her as her own kind of person with her own journey and her own likes and her own dislikes. I even feel that if she just ends up with Devon, it would be kind of weird. We don’t know if Hilary and Amanda are related, but if they are related somehow, you would not have the same experiences, you would not have the same connections as this person. As far as who I would want to work with, I don’t know. I don’t know how to judge. Well, Sean Dominic (Nate) has been awesome. It would be kind of cool to be with Sean character-wise, because if Amanda ends up with Nate, that’s a relative of Devon, so Devon would have to see that all of the time … so that’s interesting.
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How is working with Sean?
MISHAEL: Lots of fun. He actually has the same birthday as my dad. He’s a really cool guy, and we get along great. That is half the battle because every now and again (and you rarely hear about it) you can’t stand the person you’re working with, and every time you get into scene work with another character, you’re always wondering, “Am I going to get along with this person?” I love Bryton because we definitely have a special connection when we are on camera and when we are working together. We’ve known each other for so long, and we’ve done so many amazing scenes together, and I think there is a lot of trust there. It’s easy to just work with him. That being said, the challenge of working with another character would be great as well. We’ll just see where the chips fall. Either way; I’m going to have a blast.
So, Camryn Grimes (Mariah) and you obviously have this great relationship together on-screen. Mariah was Hilary’s dear friend. Did you ever see her performance after Hilary died and her heartbreaking monologue on the set of GC Buzz?
MISHAEL: Yes, I did. It was amazing. She’s an amazing actress. She’s an amazing person. I was so happy to work with her, and I am so happy to be back, because we are such good friends. My first day back on set when I walked in, Camryn was the first person I saw.
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Did Camryn know you were coming back to the show as Amanda?
MISHAEL: Yes, she knew I was coming back. We had a big hug and everything like that, and we were laughing about the fact that she’d come back to Y&R too as a whole different character. So, I was like, “What pointers can you give me?” I would really love to figure out how Amanda and Mariah can work together.
The big question … I wonder if Amanda will have friends in Genoa City? (Laughs)
MISHAEL: I think she would. I mean, I know she is a little uptight, but I think she’ll have friends. I hope so. I don’t know who though. Guess everyone will have to stay tuned to see.
So, are you happy to see Mishael back at The Young and the Restless? What do you think of the character of Amanda Sinclair thus far? Do you want to see her with Nate, Devon, or someone else on the canvas romantically? Do you think it will turn out that Hilary and Amanda were twins? Share your thoughts via the comment section below.
Interviews
B&B’s Matthew Atkinson Talks On Thomas’ Vendetta With Brooke & Playing The Manipulative Bad Boy Of The Forrester Clan
Since coming to The Bold and the Beautiful earlier this year, Matthew Atkinson is making his mark in the role of Taylor (Hunter Tylo) and Ridge’s (Thorsten Kaye) son, Thomas Forrester. But while Matthew was a recast for his predecessor Pierson Fodé, his Thomas is quite different. The new Thomas is a bad boy capable of horrific manipulations to get what he wants, and a young man who has caused so much suffering already for the Logans, Spencers, and the Forresters But is there a heart underneath that often volatile exterior?
After all, Thomas went to great lengths to keep Hope (Annika Noelle) in a relationship with him and for her to be a “mother” to his son, following the death of Caroline. So, what did he do? He covered-up and blackmailed many people to keep their mouths shut to the truth – that his sister Steffy’s (Jacqueline MacInnes Wood) little girl, Phoebe, was actually baby Beth, the child Hope and Liam (Scott Clifton) believed had died at birth!
Following the big reveal, and getting a bit of comeuppance, Thomas landed in the hospital with a questionable push from Brooke (Katherine Kelly Lang) after a fall. After promising to change his ways, looks like Thomas is back to scheming and conniving – this time to make sure Brooke gets payback and that her marriage to his father blows up to smithereens. Meanwhile, Thomas needs to be a better father to his little boy, Douglas (Henry Joseph Samiri), but will the Logans and the Spencers come between father and son?
Michael Fairman TV chatted with Matthew Atkinson to get his take on: the emotional make-up of his incarnation of Thomas Forrester, what his ultimate takedown of Brooke would be, and how he thinks Thomas can find a way back into the family good graces, and more. Here’s what Matthew had to say about it all.
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Thomas really has a vendetta with Brooke. The scene where Brooke slaps him illustrated just how deep-rooted his issues apparently are with her. What did you think about what Thomas said to Brooke that came to a boiling point with the slap, and what was it like performing the material with Katherine Kelly Lang?
MATTHEW: Katherine rocks every chance I get to be around her. She is such a sweet human being and so fun to work with and takes her job seriously and puts a lot of work in, and I think it shows. As far as the scene goes, every chance that I get to work with her is fun. She’s just a great actress. Brooke basically had this vendetta against Thomas for a while now, and she was the one who unjustifiably went a little crazy about Thomas before anybody knew Thomas was off the rails. So, it’s kind of this interesting culmination of having that where she has built herself up to hating Thomas at this point, and she is just scared of him and what he could possibly do. Then you have Thomas, who has hated Brooke ever since she came in and destroyed his family. There is so much emotion there and so many levels to it. It’s just so much fun to play around with, and in those scenes especially, it is kind of like neither one of them really has a filter. They are both just going at each other.
He is punctuating his plan by telling Brooke that she may, “Have his father tied around her slutty little finger, but her reign of terror ends with him!” I was just like, “Uh-oh.” (Laughs)
MATTHEW: Yeah, and that’s how Thomas sees Brooke. He sees her as this slutty woman who came in and kind of giggles her way into his dad’s life and flirted with him and destroyed his entire family. Thomas sees her and all of her sisters as these air-headed women who are kind of just family-destroying kind of people. They come in, they do whatever they can to get what they want, and he doesn’t care about them at all. I think he has kind of gotten to this point, especially with Brooke … considering what happened with Hope and that he has this genuine love for Hope. Brooke won’t even accept that, or think about that as a possibility with how she views him. It’s that crazy dynamic and those scenes were definitely an emotional peak for both of them.
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Thomas seems to become obsessed, and laser-focused on people like Hope, and now Brooke. What has happened to him? How are you playing this behavior pattern of his that we are seeing established?
MATTHEW: Some of the most successful people in the world are people who obsess over things. I think Thomas is like that, but I think that since Caroline’s death, his obsessive nature has been so focused on things other than fashion. They aren’t his job and what his talents are, which is where he should focus all of that energy, but instead it’s been on his son needing a mother. So, getting Hope in his life was key to him, and with Brooke, it’s a woman who has destroyed his entire family. He wants his dad to be better off. He wants his entire family to be better off. He honestly feels that they would be better off without Brooke in their lives, and so that is what he is focused on. I don’t think it’s necessarily a bad attribute to have when it is focused in the right direction, but for Thomas, since the death of Caroline, his focus has been on things that are a little abstract and are not necessarily objectively sound decisions.
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What was interesting was that I did not know how they were going to be able to save the character of Thomas on the B&B canvas after all that he has perpetrated. But then, there were scenes in the hospital where he is recovering from his “fall”, and Thomas is having big emotional scenes with Ridge and Steffy. In those moments as the viewer, you say to yourself: “Oh, they’re going to redeem him,” but then they don’t. He goes right back to a new vendetta. What did you think of those plot twists?
MATTHEW: The interesting thing about this character is that I don’t think this guy is a bad guy. I think he is a guy who is doing a lot of bad things, but I think a lot of people can relate to him and the struggles that he is dealing with: being a single father and having a rough childhood with his family being broken up. This is a guy who wants his father to approve of him and respect him and he has never really felt that way. I think a lot of people out there know what it’s like to have a parent who they just want approval from but can’t get it … couple that with the fact that he let his sister down. Everybody knows what it is like to think that they are making the right decision and end up making the wrong decision and possibly hurting someone in the process … and the kind of shame that you feel from doing something like that. I think this makes Thomas an interesting character where viewers could say, “Well, he is doing bad things, and I don’t agree with anything that he is doing, but I can relate to him, and I want him to be better, and I want him to get better and become the good person we all know he can be.” Yet, Thomas just keeps making all of the wrong decisions.
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I predict that in short order, Thomas will be in cahoots with Shauna (Denise Richards)!
MATTHEW: Okay, we shall see. (Laughs) They have aligned interests; especially at the moment, when it comes to removing Brooke from that situation. I think with Shauna, it’s fun that Denise Richards has come into this role and what she has done with this character.
Denise Richards is doing a great job in the role.
MATTHEW: She’s amazing, but I think that behind the thought process she has is this woman, Shauna, who is not so dissimilar from Thomas, and is willing to blur the lines of what is acceptable and morally sound to make sure that she gets what she wants.
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When you were taping those emotional hospital scenes where Thomas admits he has lost his way, and reaching out to his dad to try to find forgiveness, how were playing those scenes with Thorsten Kaye?
MATTHEW: I respect Thorsten a lot as an actor. I just love having scenes with him because I feel like we play off of each together so well. When we enter a scene together, we are both in it. When you are both in it, something real happens from that, and those real moments are kind of magical in a way, and it makes you feel great about the work that you do. Thorsten shows up, and he’s prepared, he knows what he is doing, and at the same time, there is this connection between father and son. I think Thorsten and I have definitely done that as father and son, and Jacqui and I have done that as brother and sister.
Since the show usually has you shirtless or sneering in scenes (laughs), I was so happy that they finally let you have some crying scenes. It was at the point that the audience was able to see you bring another emotional level and dimension to the character.
MATTHEW: I think he is not a guy who breaks down and cries very often. It takes something very serious (especially for him) to get to that point. For Thomas, the most important thing in the world is family, and he has kind of destroyed his relationship with his own family with what he has done, and I think that from the inside out is what breaks him.
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Speaking of shirtless scenes; in a short amount of time you have been with the show, I think you may have set a record there.
MATTHEW: (Laughs) Yep. It’s all the time because the wardrobe sends me mostly pants – no shirts (Laughs).
Obviously, there is the issue of Thomas’s son, Douglas … and will he lose him because Hope and Liam want to gain custody of him. Brooke wants Thomas out of Douglas’ life for good. This poses a major obstacle for Thomas moving forward. Agree?
MATTHEW: Sure. However, Brooke has no legal right to stand on. You can’t just take a guy’s son. There’s no legal way to do that, but they can try their hardest to either sign adoption papers or sign over custody, or something like that, but there’s not a legal way they can go and just take his son. There are a lot of people who I understandably think Douglas would be better off with being raised by Hope and Liam, but I think Thomas has a point of view too, and just because he is going through a bad part of his life at this time, doesn’t mean that he is unfit to be a father. I think Thomas will prove that he is fit to be father and all the while, a great force to be reckoned with,
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But, Thomas hasn’t been so great to Douglas, either. Hasn’t he yelled at his son, manipulated him for his own gain, etc?
MATTHEW: Right, this was kind of right before the truth about Beth came out, and Thomas was on this massive downward swirl where he wasn’t thinking clearly; he wasn’t himself. I think in reality, you have a person who went off the rails, he wasn’t being himself, he found the person he wasn’t, and I think that the “accident” of Brooke pushing him off a cliff, the slip, kind of clarified his intention in life to be a good, standup person from here on out. So, I think his priorities are straight now, and I think he is thinking clearly. I don’t think he is in the same mental state that he was before, but that doesn’t necessarily mean that he won’t be manipulative and that he won’t get what he wants, because he will. There was a time that he went through a headspace when nothing was really clear for a minute, and he didn’t really have any moral backbone, but I don’t think that moving forward you’re going to see a Thomas Forrester that would hurt his son. You’re going to see a Thomas Forrester who will stop at nothing to protect his son.
How does Thomas feel about Hope now, especially since Hope wants to raise Douglas?
MATTHEW: Well, here is what I will say; I think that Thomas has always had a love for Hope. I think he respects her as a person, I think he has seen her be a mother to his child, and that is undeniable … how much of a connection that she has to Douglas, and she is incredibly important to him. Thomas can basically discard any Logan except Hope. Hope is kind of his kryptonite. So, going forward, I think you’ll maybe see a guy who wants to discard Hope as a person who he cares for (her and the rest of the Logans), but he may not be able to do that, because she has got a place in his heart that he can’t compartmentalize and leave behind.
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What can you say about working with Annika Noelle, because you as Thomas had been terrorizing Hope for many months?
MATTHEW: Well, she’s a sweetheart, but also, secondly, she is a badass. She could kick my butt any day of the week. So, I just had to make sure that in between takes I said, “You understand that I wouldn’t do this to you.” She’s so sweet, and she was actually one of the first people to talk to me about taking over a role on the show, because she had been one of the most recent people to take over a role, and that was something that was really hard for me. Coming into a character that has already been there for 30 years, you have a lot to live up to. She was amazing from the beginning just helping me through that process.
On that note, what did you think of the epic fight scene on the rooftop opposite Scott Clifton; right before all the truth came out to Hope that Beth is alive and Thomas was lying to Hope and up to no good?
MATTHEW: So much fun. The shots they got were incredible. Shooting those fight scenes was so much fun and I love Scott to death. So, every time we get to work together it’s fun, but just getting outside and literally pretending to beat the crap out of each other is a blast. We got to go out to Malibu, and I got to fall over a cliff. What else can you say about that? (Laughs)
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There is another interesting relationship Thomas has on B&B, and that is with his friend, Vinny. How has it been creating the on-screen dynamic with Joe LoCicero (Vinny) as these two scheming dudes?
MATTHEW: I like it, and I love Joe. This dynamic between these two guys is really funny because you have this shrewd, alpha male, Thomas Forrester, who is extremely driven, and insanely smart, but also very manipulative and he has got a thousand things going on. On the flipside, you’ve got Vinny, who is just this guy who he has been friends with for a really, really long time, who just kind of lives life. He is living in his apartment in Venice, he sells some not so legal substances just to his friends, and he’s a decent guy. It’s just fun when we have these scenes together, because essentially you’ve got him looking at me like I’m an alien creature, and thinking, “I don’t understand this guy. I don’t know why he is acting this way, but who cares; I’m going to eat my Chinese food.” (Laughs) I think it kind of grounds some of those scenes especially when you see Thomas going off that rails, and his friend doesn’t even seem to notice. (Laughs)
I know! (Laughs) Thomas has got his own sidekick.
MATTHEW: I think Vinny wants to give sound advice, but he gives all the worst advice. He’s like, “Well, the way you described it Thomas, it sounds like a good idea, so yeah, go ahead with that,” but maybe doing a little behavioral cognitive therapy and questioning would be good for Vinny. He just kind of goes, “okay,” (laughs) but I think that’s what makes those scenes so much fun.
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Having appeared on The Young and the Restless previously you know how soaps go. There is always this fear of: “Will they kill me off if my character has gone too far?” Did at any point in Thomas’ storyline, and as you got the scripts and read all the terrible things Thomas was doing, that the character might get murdered, kicking off a murder mystery, and you’d have to make an exit?
MATTHEW: I’d had discussions with Brad Bell (executive producer and head writer, B&B) and I kind of knew where the character was going, so I kind of knew that he was going down a rabbit hole, but that Thomas wasn’t a lost cause. I knew that he would at least be present for the upcoming short future that I know of, that Thomas wasn’t going to find his demise, which was very nice of Brad to give me that insight into the character to not only know what was coming up, but also know where his head is at by this point. It helps me with the character work that I do for each scene and prep for each day; because I know where Thomas’ head is going to be at two weeks from now.
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Have you had any interactions with fans, or are you checking out on social media what the viewers are saying about Thomas? Do they love him? Hate him? Is there a great debate going on? What is your take on where Thomas sits with the audience?
MATTHEW: Oh, yeah. I definitely pay attention. The fans are the reason I have the job that I have. All the feedback that I have seen is positive, and by positive, I mean that it is emotionally effective. Now, that doesn’t necessarily mean that people are happy with Thomas because most people are not happy with Thomas. They don’t like what he is doing, and that obviously gets them angry or sad or whatever, but that is kind of the point of the show. If you’re watching a bunch of characters who are all great people and who all do nice things, then it wouldn’t be that much fun to watch. You’d be watching 40 Liam’s talk to each other, and it would be like, “Yeah, it’s just another day in Happy World.” (Laughs) I think that Thomas especially has been such a driving force in the last couple of months and caused a lot of drama. I think there are a lot of storylines that people have connected to in the past that are really making people enjoy the drama happening now. You have the people who hated Ridge getting together with Brooke in the beginning that are happy with what Thomas is doing now. You have the people who are pro – Liam and Steffy. Thomas has been a big advocate of that since the beginning. There are some people who just can’t stand Thomas and don’t like him, and he makes them mad, but the reality of it is that there is a thin line between love and hate. So, as long as they love me or hate me, I’m happy.
So, have you been enjoying Matthew’s portrayal of Thomas? Do you think he will rip Brooke and Ridge apart for good and succeed in his plans? Do you think he should somehow pay for his manipulations? Share your thoughts on the current B&B storyline involving Thomas via the comment section below.
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Eileen Davidson & Vincent Van Patten Talk ‘7 Days to Vegas’, Their Relationship and Y&R, DAYS & RHOBH
Today’s the day for the highly-anticipated film, 7 Days to Vegas which bows in selected theaters. The motion picture which stars Vincent Van Patten and his real-life wife, two-time Daytime Emmy winning actress Eileen Davidson (Y&R’s Ashley and former Kristen/Susan Banks, Days) is a comedic gambling romp, centering around the character of Duke (Van Patten), an out-of-work actor turned poker player who makes a prop bet that he walk from the San Fernando Valley in California to Sin City, Las Vegas in 7 days.
There are some catches to this bet that make it even more challenging … Duke has to wear a suit the entire time in scorching heat. The events in the movie are loosely based on Van Patten’s Hollywood Poker game nights. 7 Days to Vegas features a fictional gang of betting entertainment industry bigwigs, who are hardcore gamblers and of course, jealousy strikes. Davidson plays Duke’s wife, KC.
Michael Fairman sat down with Eileen and Vincent at their home, and at their famed poker table for the Michael Fairman Channel, to chat about the making of the movie, their relationship and some intriguing tidbits for fans of Eileen’s work on The Young and the Restless, Days of our Lives and her time on Bravo’s hit reality franchise, The Real Housewives of Beverly Hills.
In 7 Days to Vegas, Eileen says that Vincent fashioned her role of KC after their real-life relationship adding, “They are in it together. This is a lifestyle that they both enjoy. That is what somebody does when there is a home game; you call people up, and make sure who is going to be there. Van Patten said, “There is a host of the game, and that is her role in the movie.”
As to the scenes where Duke is walking to Vegas, Van Patten shared, “We shot the film in Santa Clarita, California in the hills and the mountains and all of that, and then we out five days after with a second unit shoot and shot with drones in the desert. So, I must have walked 10 miles a day, shooting, sweating, but you don’t feel it, because when it’s your baby, it’s a labor of love.”
When asked if she would go back to daytime, Eileen shared she would be back for more Ashley on Y&R: “I am supposed to go back to Y&R in a couple of more weeks. So I am popping in and out at this point.” Davidson also shared she wishes nothing but the best to Stacy Haiduk who inherited her roles on Days of our Lives as Kristen DiMera and Susan Banks. Eileen said she does not watch the episodes of the show anymore, because it makes her feel sad. The roles of Kristen and Susan were so close to Davidson’s heart.
In speaking of her time on RHOBH, Van Patten shared, “I think she (Eileen) did a great job. It went by real quick. I think she did like three years on it. I was in the background carrying her purse, going, ‘Yes, yes, here I come.” (Laughs) Davidson expressed: “Listen, reality TV … it’s a crazy, wild, Wild West.” When Michael asked about the time a drink was thrown in her face, Eileen explained: “I think Brandi (Granville) felt she needed to be relevant to be on the show, and her role was to be a troublemaker. I understand more of it now. At the time, I was a deer in the headlights for the first couple of years.” Vincent shared, “People always ask if this stuff is scripted, and it’s actually not, but you can spice it up” As to if ‘Housewives’ makes up the drama, Davidson elaborated, “Before the season starts they will ask, ‘What is going on in your life?’, and maybe there is some of that behind-the-scenes stuff. It didn’t happen with me. I’m not saying it doesn’t happen, but it is a reality show, but it is also entertainment, and if all we did was sit around, how fun would that be?”
Watch the full interview below with Eileen and Vincent and make sure to “subscribe” to The Michael Fairman Channel for more celebrity interview features.
Now let us know, will you be checking out 7 Days to Vegas, which will also be available on iTunes and VOD come September 24th? Do you hope there will be more Ashley on Y&R? Share your thoughts via the comment section.
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