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AMC's Thorsten Kaye knocks the Two Todds Story & Marty's exit on OLTL!

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The uber-popular, Thorsten Kaye (Zach Slater of AMC) recently revealed to Deep Soap’s Sara Bibel, the surprising reason why he did not make a cameo on One Life to Live to reprise his role of Patrick Thornhart to usher out his real life wife and former on-screen partner, Daytime Emmy winner Susan Haskell ( Ex-Marty Saybrooke) a few months back.

Kaye stated on his decision not to return to wrap up the Patrick/Marty story: “I am not what you would call a team favorite. They wanted me to come in for one day or two days, but it wasn’t really to take Marty home, because that whole story was f—ed up anyway. It didn’t make sense to anybody. They wanted [Patrick] to bring the real Todd [Roger Howarth] back.  I said, ‘You know what? I don’t get it. You asked your audience to [accept] this new actor that you’ve had for the last eight years. You have said he is your Todd. Everyone accepted it. 8 years later you go, No, idiots. That wasn’t Todd.’ That doesn’t make sense to me. That works on the radio. You can’t do it on TV. If you need someone to guide him in, I’m not going to do it.”

Kaye also let his thoughts be known on how they exited Haskell off the canvas! “To get rid of Susan in the way that they did made no sense. I just don’t think it was fair, and it was completely unnecessary. If you’re doing something like that, at least have it help the story. I think all actors, you get to a point where you want to make sure that you being there makes a difference. When they say we’re just going to take you out of this equation, that’s a tough thing.”

So what do you think? Do you agree with Thorsten’s sentiments on the Two Todds and the exit of Marty Saybrooke without seeing the real Patrick Thornhart? Let us know!

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  1. Loretta Jamar

    September 8, 2011 at 9:45 am

    Thank you Thorsten… you said what I have been thinking and I HATE the way the OLTL stories got screwed up.

    • Batmarc6

      September 8, 2011 at 3:16 pm


    • Carole

      September 13, 2011 at 11:14 am

      He is exactly right! I hated the way they wrote out Marty. She deaserved better. They had more time than AMC to find a better way to end the story. As for the two Todds, it took me a long time to accept Trevor but I finally did (till he pushed a pregnant Starr down the stairs). He deserved better also!

    • spearmint

      October 17, 2011 at 11:47 am

      personally, i liked the story, and as much as i like Trevor, Roger IS TODD. I just wish Trevor’s Victor could have lived. As for Mr Kaye, i hated Patrick, remember he killed Blair’s baby and didnt want to save Starr. I personally feel like his comments are simply sour grapes lol, they didnt want him as a solo package and he was butt hurt. I only hate that Marty wasnt killed by Natalie and David brought Zack back

  2. Todd

    September 8, 2011 at 9:46 am

    I agree that the Marty exit was terrible. Susan was amazing because she is a pro, but it was terrible what they did to her character. Murderer? No way. Off balance….ok. I disagree with the Todd story. I think it has been brilliant. Only regret is the loss of Trevor, but that was his decision.

  3. Teresa Sousa

    September 8, 2011 at 9:48 am

    Makes complete sense to me & why also help them make your spouse leave on such a stupid storyline exit.

  4. Stephen Parker

    September 8, 2011 at 10:34 am

    Given the complex and detailed history of Marty Saybrooke and her valuable contributions to the One Life to Live storyline I feel that the writers’ exit strategies for her character were decidedly shabby and undeniably disrespectful. Basically it involved the deconstruction of a formerly vibrant, positive entity transformed into a delusional, homicidal broken shell. Saybrooke’s sacrificial lamb disintegration smacked of profound desperation and annoying artifice on the part of forces behind the scenes. Marty’s worthy achievements over the years included spotlighting the plight of people suffering from the disease known as lupus, the struggle of evolving attitudes of tolerance, understanding, and acceptance of gay relationships, a rape survivor’s ongoing nightmares and triumphs, and the contributions of a gifted therapist’s service to clients. To compress that rich history into a discarded hunk of crushed metal like an old car in a junkyard is shameful. Beginning with Marty’s faux death in Ireland (when the van she and Cole were held captive blew up) Ms. Saybrooke’s character devolved bit by bit until she became a pathetic train wreck. And for what end? To simply dispose of her to move another plot (the “Two Todds”) into place, which in its course character assassinated another fine actor’s complex, lengthy, and rich portrayal for the promotion of a pseudo-mysterious storyline which apparently dictated another unnecessary sacrifice (Trevor St. John’s swan song as Todd-into-Victor Manning). Admittedly I have enjoyed the dual Todd developments but I am not unaware of the wreckage and waste wreaked on the literary landscape as ratings and sensationalism trumped Emmy-quality writing and due respect for talented actors.

    • Batmarc6

      September 8, 2011 at 3:24 pm

      Wow! I read this, praising the insightful accuracy of the author, so glued to each word, that when I finally look up in order to have a name to go along with the brilliance… alas, it’s my dear buddy, the Bard-of-Sullivan! LOL! You’ve summarized beautifully, Stephen, and eulogized our dearly departed Marty perfectly!!! Cheers, mate! 😉 While noting is impossible, I can’t forsee a reunion with the Haskell-Kaye’s, but feverently wish for reconciliation with TSJ & Robin Strasser. I just hope Tina & Cord aren’t deconstructed as well…

    • david

      September 8, 2011 at 4:36 pm

      Excellent comment. Yes, “wreckage and waste” accurately describes the “train wreck” OLTL has become–too many sacrifices of invaluable characters and actors, leaving a twisted mess for Prospect Park to cleanup.

    • Amy

      September 7, 2013 at 6:37 pm

      I could not agree with you more! I will NEVER EVER forgive Ron Carlivati and Frank Valentini for what they did to the character of Marty ! Marty was troubled NEVER crazy! She overcame so much in her life, losing her parents, being alone , a gang rape! And what puts her over the edge? Losing John Mcbain?? Marty interacted with everyone! Where was Nora and Vicky?
      Marty was one of the greatest characters ever created, and Susan Haskell is beyond brilliant as an actress. Her chemistry with Roger Howarth was off the charts. The fact that after 14 years the writers FINALLY had both actors and chose not to have them in a scene together, is almost sac religious ! They could have drawn on so much history with old Todd and new Todd. Instead they destroyed this beautiful character and AMAZING actress, for their own selfish reasons. I applaud Thorsten for standing by Susan. Personally I think saying bringing back “the real Todd” was a smokescreen . If Susan was still on, he would too. But I think Thorsten was just so disgusted, that they would fire a two time daytime Emmy winner! I will never watch anything those two write or produce again.
      They had a gem and just threw it away.

  5. JuneBug

    September 8, 2011 at 10:47 am

    Has Mr. Kaye considered what it takes for the audience to consider the fact that *his* character is not dead? Talk about effed up. I don’t get it, indeed. Todd/Victor makes more sense to me than the resurrection of Zach Slater.

    • Batmarc6

      September 8, 2011 at 3:24 pm


    • spearmint

      October 25, 2011 at 9:10 pm


  6. Shea

    September 8, 2011 at 10:57 am

    I think that they totally had it planned out that “Men of 21” were going to responsible for the whole two Todd’s story line. Personally, I would have preferred that the “Men of 21” were involved rather than having Irene Manning alive and the Todd’s be twins. I think the twins story is over used and I was sort of disappointed that this is the way the story was twisted.

    My thoughts on Susan Haskell? Well, she was shafted and deserved a better send off. Actually, I think she still needs to be with the show. I am beyond ecstatic that Roger Howarth has returned, but I want to see him in scenes with characters he had immense chemistry with…Nora, Bo, Viki, Blair, and sadly the missing Marty… I think getting rid of Susan as Marty was a huge mistake…story could have still been told.

  7. Sarahjbrown1fan

    September 8, 2011 at 10:57 am

    I agree with him 100% I’m still in shock that they actually killed him off especially after giving us 8 amazing years as Todd Manning and this is how they repay him, ugh! TSJ is sooo irreplaceable and the show will not be the same without him!!!! He will forever be my Todd and will be greatly missed!!!!!!! #teamtsj

    • lipstickcat

      September 14, 2011 at 8:17 am

      TSJ is the only Todd! He was just the right mix of good & evil! RH is only evil & he’s showing his true colors now!

  8. Shea

    September 8, 2011 at 10:58 am

    ::More story could have been told is what the last part was supposed to say.

  9. Carri

    September 8, 2011 at 11:30 am

    I LOVE Roger and Trevor. The way the story unfolded was AWESOME, BUT I do agree that the way Susan was handled was not classy, neither was the way they handled Robin or Trevor! I TOTALLY would LOVE to have a Victor Lord Jr. in Llanview. I would have accepted it and been all about getting the twins to interact! There is enough of the Lord fortune to go around. Bringing Irene back from the dead, having HER be the catalyst in all this was AWESOME Sudz! Having her be behind Patrick Thornhart, Tea’s brother involved, it all made crazy Soapy Sense! Maybe in the beginning before unfolding it all I can see how Kaye would not want to be involved. I understand his sentiment and being disgruntled with ABC and what they are doing as a whole, why would he want to have any part in that.

    I don’t agree with any of the stuff Frons is doing. I hope he digs his own “Chewy Revolution” grave. I will not be tuning into ABC after OLTL goes off the air! I am thrilled with what Prospect Park seems to be doing and will support Royal Pains and any project that PP does because they seem to listen to a very loud fan base! Would Kaye ever work with Susan at PP, maybe John finds Marty and Patrick and brings them back. Maybe Cole could even have his WHOLE family around and get released from prison….oh it could be an awesome story! LONG LIVE OLTL!!

    • Lori

      September 8, 2011 at 2:31 pm

      Carri and Thorsten are so right! Get Susan and Trevor back on OLTL, there is so much more LIFE TO LIVE for them!

      I’ve been thinking about the Cole story and how he shot Eli in “cold blood.” Okay, now, hasn’t anybody thought that he killed Eli because of temporary sanity? THe thought his child and the mother of his child (love of his life) were killed by Eli! I don’t think Cole shoud’ve been thrown in prison. He definitely should have an “re-trial” – I think that’s what it’s called. Yes, Tea should throw herself into her work and file an appeal for Cole and get him out of prison!

  10. Margie

    September 8, 2011 at 11:52 am

    I agree with him about Marty. RC wrote her horribly. The rapemance was a disgrace.
    I don’t blame him for not returning. That said, I totally disagree about the Todd story. It’s been terrific.
    Ratings appear to agree.

    • Willie T

      September 9, 2011 at 2:35 pm

      TSJ and RH the two best actors on daytime almost sold the worst story in the history of daytime but the rating DON’T agree. They were already up before RH and went down almost a hundred thousand with the idiotic insulting storyline that RC wrote for the reveal.

      • Margie

        September 10, 2011 at 1:03 pm

        The ratings have gradually gone up all year, but they’ve really spiked in the last 6 weeks.

        We’re 3,000 away from 2nd place – a place we haven’t occupied in at least 10 years.
        ( Ratings Report for the Week of August 29 September 2, 2011

        Numbers are based on Live+Same Day ratings

        (Compared to Last Week/Compared to Last Year)

        Total Viewers
        1. Y&R 4,425,000 (+12,000/-548,000)
        2. B&B 2,727,000 (-200,000/-417,000)
        3. OLTL 2,724,000 (-19,000/+349,000)
        4. GH 2,486,000 (+18,000/-174,000)
        5. AMC 2,480,000 (-11,000/+60,000)
        6. DAYS 2,363,000 (-77,000/-80,000)

  11. Torrey

    September 8, 2011 at 11:59 am

    You Go Thorsten!!! Nice to see that someone closely connected to this understands how the viewers must feel. Cause I feel betrayed with the departure of Trevor St. John as Todd Manning….I’m sorry, he will always be Todd for me. He took on an impossible role and made us believe it and accept it….then the writers decide no that’s good any more, let’s bring back Roger. After 8 years, that’s a slap in the face to the actor that gave us 8 great years of amazing work and a slap in the face to the fans who grew to love TSJ as Todd. And Susan definitely deserved better than what she got. They turned her into Hannah Jr. and had her become a murderer and psychopath….One would think that they could have respected her a little bit better than that.

  12. Elizabeth

    September 8, 2011 at 12:03 pm

    The radio? How does that even make sense — this was a plastic surgery story to begin with! It actually IS plausible, hilariously enough.

    And Howarth’s return did not dictate St. John’s departure. He didn’t step back in one day and take the role back. That’s why it was “The Two Todds” story, and it’s obviously too bad they’re not both there to keep it going, but they COULD have kept it going. And in fact had both of them on for a few months. He makes it sound like a situation like Lucky on GH and it just isn’t.

    I completely agree with him about Marty’s exit, though. That was just poor storytelling. Very poor.

  13. Brian Greene

    September 8, 2011 at 12:34 pm

    It may not be the “company guy way” of conducting business, but I do agree with Thorsten’s viewpoints. 🙂

  14. doug schultz

    September 8, 2011 at 1:38 pm

    I agree to an extent, but this IS a soap and, at least I don’t take it too seriously. The Two Todds story has been fun, dramatic and unpredictable. I’ve enjoyed it. I think it could only have been better with Susan Haskell staying on as Marty though. Her exit was strange to say the least, but again I was really surprised to see see Marty get off scott-free with her crimes. Haskell is such a great actress I hope they can bring her back as soon as the online version starts.

  15. oltlFAN

    September 8, 2011 at 1:39 pm

    Thorsten Kaye is an ass. He comes off on the creatives at OLTL like what the nymrods over AMC did was masterpiece theatre. Give me a break.

    Thorsten should have CRAWLED on his knees back to One Life when they made the gesture. Thankfully, the ass that eats a soap, didn’t and went on to finish of All My Children.

  16. Jim

    September 8, 2011 at 1:45 pm

    Susan Haskell’s departure from OLTL was one of the worst contrived, horribly conceived and poorly executed exits in soap history. She is a terrific actress that RC had no idea how to write for and he totally disrespected her by the way she was shown the door.

  17. david

    September 8, 2011 at 2:23 pm

    I agree with Kaye. It has been painful to watch the rushed, thoughtless exits of so many significant characters, disrespectful alike to actors and viewers who have dedicated years to OLTL.

  18. kay killgore

    September 8, 2011 at 2:26 pm

    Mr. Kaye you have said what I have been saying total disrespect for TSJ and why should he stay they make a mockery out of 8 years of story. And the actors oh goody RH is back WHAT! Sorry TSJ is twice the actor but next time Mr. Kaye tell AMC to shove it also!!!

  19. marz

    September 8, 2011 at 2:59 pm

    And yet it didn’t bother TK that he played Ian Thornhart , Patrick’s never before mentioned twin brother on Port Charles and that Susan Haskell played his sister, who looked exactly like his brother Patrick’s wife. But that was ok, right. And not at all confusing.

  20. Batmarc6

    September 8, 2011 at 3:15 pm

    He’s correct, of course, but the David Hayward Resurrection Show formerly known as AMC is just as ludicrous. The potential of having RH, TSJ, Susan Haskell & Thorsten on the same screen was horribly wasted and obviously undervalued by all but we viewers 🙁 Basically, ALL of these characters have been decimated, leaving a sole RH to rise from the ashes. If Prospect Park has any more miracles to present us with, a rethinking of this storyline would be greatly appreciated. Irene Manning indeed! Feh!–I SAW her die from cancer in the 70’s when I was 8 years old! LOL!

  21. AlistairCrane

    September 8, 2011 at 3:22 pm

    I am so glad that Thorsten stuck up for Susan/Marty! Marty’s exit was horrible (she spent the entire hour with the fake Todd), and then we get this non-sensical off-screen return of Patrick with a body double, and a really cheap shot of the real Todd right behind Marty just as she leaves.
    The character destruction over Marty in the 6 or so months leading up to her exit was despicable. Marty is one of OLTL’s most iconic and popular characters and did NOT deserve that, especially when most viewers see as a heroine, especially after her ’93 rape storyline.
    Just so insulting, and while I would have loved an on-screen Patrick/Marty reunion, I am glad Thorsten stuck to his principles.

  22. lisa

    September 8, 2011 at 3:56 pm

    For me Susan Haskell’s portrayal of Marty in the early years was bar none.
    Loved her….I did not watch the show after Susan and Thorsten’s departure in ’97.
    Life happened and I got busy… well Rogers’ Todd was not the same without Marty to play off….he destroyed her and in the process destroyed himself.
    I have since caught up with many of the episodes I have missed via YouTube.
    And rejoined watching the show in late January this year….I could never buy Trevor St.John as Todd although he is a very fine actor.
    But what really upset me was what the writers had done to Marty.
    Susan Haskell is a tremendously gifted actor who garnered 2 Emmy wins,
    I was so appalled that the writers turned her into a psychotic ,murdering wacko…..they really destroyed her – there’s no way she could come back from that…..and then they fired her,5 days later they announced Rogers return.
    I think all die hard Todd/Marty fans were hoping for a screen reunion.It would have been great stuff ….as they now share a grandchild.
    Then news of the cancellation…..I think some us are still hoping,sadly I don’t think a reunion of these two fine performers will happen.
    In watching Rogers scenes as the now confirmed real Todd….when he talks about Marty it almost seems as though he were performing to the camera as if she were there.
    I’m glad OLTL will continue – as to the quality it will produce that remains to be seen.

  23. Katherine

    September 8, 2011 at 4:44 pm

    I’m sorry but I agree with Thosten Kaye 100% on both accounts. Marty’s exit was done is such a crap ass way. That story could have been handled so much better. OLTL had an amazing actress (Susan Haskell) on their hands and instead of using her to better the show and the storylines they just shoved her out the door.
    As for the 2 Todd story, I am just disgusted in how it played out. I’ve always been a Todd fan from the first day I started watching OLTL, at that time Roger Howarth was playing the part. I was disappointed when he decided to leave the role and chose to jump ship to CBS. Trevor St. John came on as Todd and I was like Roger Howarth who? Trevor St. John made Todd his own. For eight years his portrayal of Todd has been one of my driving forces for turning in every day. I love the dark side of Todd he brought and the light and funny side!! And when Florencia Lozano returned as Tea, the chemistry between her and Trevor was unbelievable and I couldn’t help but fell in love with Todd and Tea!! (Was never a big fan of them when Roger played Todd) As soon as I heard that Roger Howarth was returning I knew Trevor St. John was going to get screwed over. And what do you know he was. The role of Todd was taken away and given back to Roger and we told that the Todd we’ve been watching for 8 years is actually Victor Jr. As infuriating as I was by this I was dealing with it because Trevor St. John was still part of the show but that didn’t last long as we all know Victor has been killed off. There was so much story to be told here. Trevor St. John will always be Todd for me. I found the dismissal of his 8 years of playing Todd disrespect to Trevor and to the fans. I used to tune in every day, I don’t anymore.

  24. jp

    September 8, 2011 at 5:06 pm

    Susan is an amazing actress. I agree with Kaye. Her departure left the audience confused and wondering. Hopefully, PP will bring back Susan Haskell in the role and reedem her character. However, I totally disagree with his opinion about the two Todd Story. It has been incredible. The acting has been phenonomal. And the ratings reflect that.

  25. David

    September 8, 2011 at 6:42 pm

    By not having TK appear, it left the story open for them both to resurrect. But since he admits he is not a team player, I doubt he would return to OLTL. Surprised he returned to AMC but all those dead folks returning are implausible storylines. Susan’s character was written into a corner and the producers/writers preferred to go with the FORD brothers. There were ways to let her character shine but the powers to be preferrred to push her out like so many good character on the show such as Marcie and A/Michaell, not to mention the newly minted gay couple. The Cole and Marty departures were throwaway storylines and should go down as some of the worst writing. The two Todds was also a dumb storyline — seen worse but a waste of time since the show was winding down its ABC run. Sorry, but I always preferred Roger; Trevor was excellent but Roger REIGNS as Todd. And it looks like this time around Todd might be more nuanced.

  26. Loraem

    September 8, 2011 at 7:50 pm

    I greatly applaud Thorsten’s courage to speak out and the self evident deep artistic principles he possesses. ABC-OLTL showed a complete lack of character, respect and the loyalty that was due to the fabulous actor Trevor St. John who gave them so many years of extremely good and often times Magnificent performances. It was not necessary, at this time, to resurrect the actor, Roger Howarth, who initially created the role but, absent for 8Years. This is the time at the end of the Llandview story to bring wonderful dramatic climax for all characters, as we the fans have known these people, not trash character history. Trevor’s 8Years portraying Todd evolved the character into a new man, a different life, and this is the Todd we fans recognized as Todd; TSJ/Todd became and should have been the concluding history of Todd for the ending of the TV-show. The Prospect Park production will be their version of OLTL and with mostly a different audience, a Internet world! It is there, IMO, that new and sudden opposing changes can be introduced!

    Many actors have played Hamlet and given their version of the character since its initial creation by the first actor who portrayed the role but, the different versions never necessitated trashing the new performers artistic work, merely because they were not the original.

    Regardless, how Trevor lifted the 2-Todds storyline to dramatic heights by the infusion of his Superb Acting skills and persona, the story still trashed his Todd creation, unnecessarily. Show business is indeed a Business but it is also a collaboration of artists giving their hearts to their work in their creations and having faith that the producers, like ABC-OLTL have respect to the marriage of artist-producer. Watching what ABC did to TREVOR puts a horrible stain on art! But, it is quite evident ABC does not care!

  27. boes

    September 8, 2011 at 7:59 pm

    I think he’s giving a slightly pompous take. Having TSJ’s Todd be an imposter is, IMO, perfectly in line with soap stories. My only problem with it is that I would have liked TSJ to have stayed on as well as RH. If TK reflected on some of his storylines on AMC – Red Rock, anyone?, and the current back from the dead en masse storyline – the 2 Todds is no more out there than they are.

    He’s right about Mary’s exit. To turn her into a deranged serial killer was just messed up.
    It’s such a shame for OLTL to have lost such a talented actress portraying such an important character, and it was done in a particularly horrid manner. But the way they were writing Marty for her last six months was pretty bad all around. It was obvious they either didn’t know what to do with her or didn’t care.
    I wish TSJ had stuck around. He’s the only Todd I knew, and I loved to loathe him. And I thought that he and RH had some great scenes together. Hopefully, the rumors are true and he’ll be back when PP takes over.

    I wish Thorsten the best….but the guy is obviously smarting over what happened to his wife. And, he’s also obviously a legend in his own mind. The screen can use a rest from him for a while.

    • Jena

      September 9, 2011 at 9:12 am

      uhh Thorstin just came BACK to AMC cause EVERYONE wanted him everyome loves thorstin

      • boes

        September 9, 2011 at 12:31 pm

        Judging by the comments here and at other boards, it’s pretty obvious that everyone doesn’t love Thorsten. And by the comments posted here and elsewhere, not everyone loves Zach Slater either.

        To each his own. I think TK did an okay job with the writing he was handed for the Zach Slater character – and the writers at AMC didn’t do that character (or any others) any favors over the years.

        But he’s only an expert in his own mind.

      • Waltina

        September 12, 2011 at 9:42 pm

        If you think Thorsten is a legend in his own mind, what do you think of Roger.
        You think he is the second coming of the best actor on soaps. This was an actor who didn’t have a job and then Frons and OLTL decided to stab Trevor in the back. But remember what goes around comes around. Maybe some fans who cheered what they did, this could happen to you own your job. Throwing Trevor out the door was the reason I stopped watching when when it was announced Roger was coming back, Trevor saw the writing on the wall. And some fans need to stop saying he “he was going to leave any way, or this was his own fault”. How would you feel if after you had worked on a job for 8yrs, you are replaced by the former person who had the job, and your co-workers who saw this man every day NEVER SAID A WORD IN IS SUPPORT . It had to come from a past castmate of the show.

      • spearmint

        October 25, 2011 at 9:16 pm

        they didnt ask me if i wanted him back…so not all the fans wanted him back. as for marty’s departure, she could have quit any time, i am sure she knew the track OLTL was taking, she signed on the dotted line and agreed. Blame her not the writers. As for the recasting,,,,it happens in the acting word, look what they did to charlie sheen….LMAO

  28. aria

    September 8, 2011 at 8:02 pm

    i agree w/ kaye i mean oltl is a fun show to watch, but on the other side of it, its kind of very cartoonish, and messy, its like its written by high school kids, i’m really afraid that when its head writer heads over to GH , HE’S going to turn the show into a bad mess. hopefully garin will stay in control .

  29. SC

    September 8, 2011 at 9:03 pm

    I’m really and truly not feeling some of Thorsten’s comments. I don’t feel even remotely insulted by the Todd and Victor storyline. I felt infinitely more insulted when they expected me to believe that out of character guy was Todd Manning.

    I do agree that Marty’s exit story was effed up. Susan and Marty deserved better. Actually, Susan and Marty deserved to stay. 😀

  30. fran songhurst

    September 9, 2011 at 6:00 am

    who does he think he is amc is all over the place with there storylines how could thorston kaye say it does not make sense with what oltl is doing the two todd’s story was a great it was written wonderfully and shame on him for putting down a show who gave him his start in the first place. in my opion it does not make sesnse to bring dead people back to life after people witnessed there demise how sensible is that.

  31. Natalie

    September 9, 2011 at 7:14 am

    Whateva Thorsten! He always comes off as such a jerk. I don’t know how Susan tolerates him. LOVE Roger and soaps do this all the time! What a moron.

    • Jena

      September 9, 2011 at 9:09 am

      LOL at Natalie I guss your just a Roger fan who could give a Shit about what OLTL did ti Trever

      • Natalie

        September 9, 2011 at 9:49 am

        Actually this has to do w/ Thorsten and his “take” on things. It really has nothing to do w/ Trevor. But, yes, I’m a Roger fan. 🙂

      • Natalie

        September 9, 2011 at 9:51 am

        I forgot to say I saw Thorsten’s reaction when Susan won the emmy. That’s when he lost me as a fan. It was just plain rude (and odd).

  32. Jena

    September 9, 2011 at 10:46 am

    ok I need to go to youtube for that.. what year?

  33. Jena

    September 9, 2011 at 10:50 am

    ommm whats rude about it I saw nothing wrong

    • Skyla

      September 10, 2011 at 12:25 am

      I didn’t see anything rude or odd wither… she kissed him, he squeezed her hand, & clapped with a happy smile after her speech.

      • Skyla

        September 10, 2011 at 12:25 am


    • Jena

      September 10, 2011 at 8:51 am

      … well maby she is just mad that Thorstin is hotter and sexier then Roger oh well .. actully Trever is hotter and sexeir then roger!

  34. Blake

    September 9, 2011 at 11:52 am

    Marty was written horribly, having the romance with “Todd” and then as a killer, she deserved better than this.
    And I feel bad for the guy playing Todd for 8 years, it’s like “don’t need you anymore” like they do with a lot of people (Dorian!) and then kill him off! I’m glad Roger is back as Todd, but the show shouldn’t have done this to Trevor.

  35. Sunny

    September 9, 2011 at 1:30 pm

    While I agree that Marty’s exit was seriously flawed, the destruction of Marty Saybrook stated way before she left. Maybe TK forgot that Susan herself replaced another actress as Marty this time around…an actress who finally started to make the role her own and had great chemistry with John McBain/Michael Easton (and let’s face it, he does not have much chemistry with most women he gets partnered with!!) but they replaced her with the “real” Marty. So where does he get off trashing the return of RH? Both actors would have been on the show together if TSJ hadn’t already said he was leaving…so no one lost their job like CC did when SH came back.

    So instead TK went back to that hot mess that is AMC and David’s ridiculous ressurection s/l…now there’s good storytelling!! (insert sarcastic tone) It’s understandable that he is hurt, pissed, angry, whathaveyou about his wife’s loss of her job. But the 2 Todds s/l has nothing to do with that. I never usually have a problem with the comments actors make about things, but it seems like every time TK opens his mouth, he sounds like a huge egomaniac. I for one was glad he joined AMB (which I stopped watching months ago) as opposed to OLTL (which I love) Let’s hope he stays away 🙂

    • Willie T

      September 9, 2011 at 2:33 pm

      Sorry but the David ressurrection is a billion times better than the moronic insulting tale of two Todd’s. His character on AMC was quite popular and magically and had a huge fanbase. On OLTL he played a babykilling terrorist. I will say this that the talent of TSJ and RH rose about the stupidity of that story but it is far worst a story and disrespectful to the viewers IMO much moreso than the massive return from the dead. I mean an 8 year imposter how ridiculous. I know some people are so glad RH is back they are willingt o overlook it I prefer TSJ but adore RH as well. If the story was better written I wouldnt have mind at all but this crap is proof RC was tanking the show on purpose.

      • vicious

        September 10, 2011 at 9:05 am

        We saw Dixie in heaven, now she’s walking around PV. That’s not insulting to the viewers? Todd getting plastic surgery to look like Walker Lawrence was insulting to me & i never believed for a second Trevor was playing Todd. NEVER. This story was needed to explain all the OOC things “Todd” was doing the last 8 yrs. Trevor could have played HIS OWN CHARACTER. One HE created, instead he split. That’s not RH’s fault & the only reason TK has a problem with any of it is because he was being used to bring back Roger. He’s standing up for his wife? Pretty sure his wife will be returning for a bit. So why isn’t she mad? Notice he said, he can’t speak for Susan. Not everyone is buying into the BS.

      • Willie T

        September 10, 2011 at 6:09 pm

        True but those above things are well establish lore for soaps when you watch you sign on for people returning from the dead. As for seeing her in heaven did we really or did we see Adam’s mind playing tricks on him because he was guilty over his sins. Was uncle Palmer really seeing Dixie in heaven or was god simply generous in granting him the one thing he said he wanted mroe than anything.
        As to OLTL again established lore for the gendre people get their faces changed to look like other people all the time. Aslo. regardless to whether or not he is Todd or Victor the fact remains that was unchanged he did in fact get his face changed to go from looking like one man to the other. So in the some are able to overlook that fact because in the end they got the ending they wanted which man is Todd isn’t my problem my problem is them writing a show that invalidates the last 8 years like TSJ or hate him he was Todd and they took that way and the power of the rapemance story that they got all those awards for.
        As to OOC GMAFB no way he’s only doing is directed of him. He was Todd and the irony was that the time we had of them together they acted completely alike only TSJ is less violent. AS ot him speaking for Susan I never said he was I said he was standing up for her and himself. I am sure as a man he hated that his charactr was constantly used to kiss the rear end of the man who raped his wife. That no matter what horrid things Todd did to him he had to always look the other way. AS to Susan retuning nothing on that has surfaced but if she does return that is inherently her choice to make. I don’t see where that would preclude his opinion plus AMC was offering a longer stay. AS to what people aren’t buying for me it’s the vile sicophant three time murdering (now 4) rapist as the victim and hero and TSJ no murder no rapes but was in fact himself raped who was brain washed as the bad guy. As much as I like RH I won’t drink the kool aid.

  36. Willie T

    September 9, 2011 at 2:25 pm

    That is why I LOVE TK. He told the trutth!!! That idiot Ron Caravali slapped SH in the face on her way out and slapped TSJ in the face on the way out and spit in the audience’s face with an 8 year imposter story. How this guy still has a job is amazing. Oh that’s right Brian Frons was tanking the show on purpose!! So glad that Thorsten Kaye spoke and the irony is that he never worked with TSJ but obviously either appreciated his work or thinks it is a mistake to slap your audience in the face. Kudos this man. I respect the man even more now.

    • boes

      September 9, 2011 at 9:29 pm

      In between slapping Susan Haskell in the face, then slapping Trevor St. John in the face, and spitting at the audience, poor Ron Carlivati barely has time to write. But write he does, and does it superlatively. OLTL’s ratings have been increasing every week – that’s not exactly an indication that the show stinks now, is it?
      OLTL undoubtedly has been helped by having a writer who clearly loves the show and who KNOWS it, whereas AMC has had to suffer through one bad writer after another, and the continual interference of Frons and Co.

      TK is no saint and he’s no villian. He’s an actor who has a certain popularity, speaking his mind about his wife’s old job, and his old employer. It’s hard not to think that his bitterness towards OLTL might have to do with him not being quite as valuable to them as he probably assumed. TK evidently has a healthy opinion of himself – what actor doesn’t? – and he probably felt bruised that the show decided RH was a better bang for their buck than he was.

      And, they were right.

      • Willie T

        September 9, 2011 at 11:55 pm

        I can’t agree his character was only on a few months maybe a year or two at most. He was never woven into that show why would he think that he would go back their. i think he was defended his wife. Nothing more nothing less. Do I think he is more valuable than RH on OLTL no but I’d take ZAch on AMC over RH on OLTL any day of the week and twice on the weekends. But I just was never that into Todd not that I don’t appreciate RH. He just wore me out. I don’t think he ever cared much for OLTL. AS to RC, the ratings increased because they have the two most talented actors on daytime selling the worst story ever told. I do agree Fronsian interference may play a role (probably the bigger) but I can’t think of any story he wrote with the notable exception of Kish that was even halfway decent. This man wrote the GEX SUX ExPRESS, the rapemance and worst of all the 1968 story. How he stays employed is beyond me.

  37. Skyla

    September 10, 2011 at 12:22 am

    I love Thorsten Kaye and I feel he is absolutely right about everything. They did Susan Haskell wrong and they way they wrote out Marty after so many years was ridiculous. And I’m not a fan of the way the did Trevor St. John either. He was a consummate professional and is an incredible actor who always supported the show but they tossed him aside for Roger Howarth, a man who left them high & dry because he didn’t want his character to be redeemed and refused to have love scenes with any actress but Kassie DePaiva because he thought it would make Todd too much of a leading man people would like. RH constantly showed that he didn’t much care for the show as a whole but him coming back is supposed to be great for the audience over TSJ who not only actually seemed to truly care about the show but is a far superior actor. And maybe this shouldn’t matter but TSj is alot better to look at too over RH and for that matter so is TK. And even now the writers continue to throw TSJ and his portrayal of Todd under the bus and try to rewrite history by making digs about him never being there for Viki or her family which is completely untrue or trying to build up RH’s Todd like he was oh so wonderful & perfect. I say bravo to Thorsten for recognizing how disrespectful the show was to not only his long-time partner Susan Haskell but Trevor St. John as well and not wanting to be a part of it.

    • dg

      August 31, 2012 at 12:58 am

      Great comments. I supported Roger’s decision to leave One Life after they decided to redeem Todd. The redemption of rapist has been done too much on daytime. And his gang rape story was critically acclaimed and did much to shine the spotlight on the darkness of sexual violence.
      But I completely concur with you that the One Life brass threw Trevor St John and Susan Haskell under the bus primarily for ratings sake. They showed both actor’s no respect and gave Roger the moon and the stars. I never accepted Trevor in the role of Todd, but that’s besides the point. He had become super popular among fans and despite my personal distaste for him in the role, I can see that he was an oustanding performer who worked hard to make the role his own. But the execs were willing to toss him aside at the drop of Roger Howarth’s hat. Like I always say the entertainment business is very brutal and corrupt. Its all about greed and shallowness. SMH.

  38. Jared

    September 10, 2011 at 7:30 am

    As if AMC’s raising everyone from the dead story is so realistic

  39. vicious

    September 10, 2011 at 9:19 am

    Real Todd is back & look at those ratings for such a stupid insulting While AMC is barely cutting it with their intelligent story that doesn’t insult the viewers. Love the spin.

    • Willie T

      September 10, 2011 at 6:11 pm

      OLTL’s ratings went up the week before the cancelation and have stayed up. As bad as the story is I will give full credit to RH and TSJ easily the two best actors in daytime ability to sell it but they rating did in fact drop a hundred thousand after the big gag and puke reveal of the 8 year invalidation.

      • Fay

        September 11, 2011 at 7:44 am

        Agreed… Why Tk is a great actor.. we now have excepted him as Zach..I think it would have been fair to give Susan (Marty) a better ending … And for both Tea and Blair to have a happy ending. with both Victor and Todd… that being said .. Glad that Roger is back and sad that Trevor was killed off like that…. and the writer has certainly made One Life to Live a show one does not want to miss

    • Waltina

      September 12, 2011 at 10:10 pm

      The show was going to be cancelled with my man Trevor on the show. Now you fans of Roger he’s back and the show is stilling being cancelled. You mentioned about the great rating the show is getting, again it wasn’t enough to keep OLTL on ABC. So your wonderful rating means nothing.

  40. Fay

    September 11, 2011 at 7:37 am

    It’s one thing to Bring back Roger… and its great him being back..The twin thing is not even a bad idea.. it gets to see 2 great actors at work… the downside is killing off Trevor…He deserved better… the fans loved and excepted him as Todd… he did a wonderful Job for 8 years…We would have excepted and loved him as Victor as well.. while enjoy Roger being back ..Trevor and Roger both did a great job as being Todd.. and it sucks the Trevor after all his hard work . and dedication .. was so disregarded. there is so any wonder ways the Oltl could have ended with both actors being there.

    • dg

      August 31, 2012 at 12:52 am

      There are a legion of fans who did not accept Trevor as Todd. I am one of them. His recast is one of the main reasons I quit One Life to Live. Roger was ground breaking and irreplaceable.
      Trevor is a great actor but so many of us could not accept him in the Todd role. And Cartini made is much worse when they wrote that horrible amnesia plot for marty that had her having sex with the man who instigated her gang rape!
      And people call Ron Carlavati a great writer after staging that mess? Come on! Roger himself originally left One Life because he didnt want to see the Todd character redeemed into a cuddly happy go lucky guy.
      Again this is no insult to Trevor. He’s a great actor, but some roles should just not be recast.

  41. Nikki

    September 11, 2011 at 2:09 pm

    THANK YOU THORSTEN! He is now my new hero!

    This was what I was DYING for someone to say for so long! OLTL is idiotic. I don’t understand find this all “gripping and compelling”, it wasn’t even thought out properly. It was basically all to please the “great” Roger Howarth, even though Trevor St. John did most of the work in this whole thing.

    I wasn’t even a Marty fan but her exit was stupid and definitely not warranted.

    • dg

      August 31, 2012 at 12:47 am

      Cool comments. I find it scary how one life fans worships Cartini ( Ron Carlavati and Frank Valentini). They are complete hacks who turned a once ground breaking daytime drama into a cartoon!
      The 2 Todd story was one of the stupidest things Ive seen since Casey the Alien on GH in the 90s, lol. I find it so disappointing that millions of fans just sit by the idiot box ( thats what my teacher called TV back in high school) and allow soap writers to fry their brains. They fully accept whatever implausible nonsense comes on their screen and they clamor for more?
      What happened to intelligent, family, romance driven stories? They died yrs ago. Now we’re left with tabloid, implausible nonsense that arouses the audience but has no substance. And outside of that we have shirtless, brainless male bimbos, and older vets being fired or benched. No wonder soap viewership is down and networks are pulling the plug. SMH.

  42. Dianne

    September 11, 2011 at 4:47 pm

    I couldn’t agree more with Thorsten’s assessment, though I think it could be a blanket idictment on the state of soaps in general these days. Characters acting out of character and recasts not comporting with the character’s past history are just some others I think are wrong with soaps today. Susan Haskell’s exit from OLTL is what is wrong with soaps. To take a character like Marty and reduce her to pablum is disgusting and dehumanizing to women on daytime television. Making them out to be appendages of their men, not as solid beings in their own right.

    One only has to look at Mr. Kaye’s soap opera AMC and it’s disgusting handling of the ‘groundbreaking lesbian love affair’ to see just how really low the genre has sunk. In a better day this story would have been handled with dignity and realism. Instead, Bianca was reduced to a mincing idiot and Reese was made to be some kind of Anne Heche angry bi-sexual with no real direction.

    I look on GH where the current Carly portrayer looks nothing like the previous actresses who have played the character and believes that character growth is a character flaw. I can only say that at some point someone has to buy a clue as to what is wrong. Ken Corday has recently gone about making a drastic reboot of DOOL, however, getting rid of beloved characters to make room for fan faves isn’t the answer unless the writing is there and solid.

  43. imasoapfan

    September 12, 2011 at 10:29 am

    I fully disagree with Thorsten Kaye’s sentiments.

    The Two Todd’s storyline was very well-played and worthwhile. The only disappointment is that it didn’t last longer and TSJ isn’t still in the picture. The Two Todd’s storyline, set-up, and potential was fantastic; however, Victor’s murder was lame.

    Regarding Matry: Marty’s character was always a useless mess. She was first a victimizer full of hate speech against Billy and was cruel to Andrew, Megan, Viki, etc. Then Marty was a rape victim in a story that seemed geared to garner her unsympathetic character some sympathy. Then she became a poet’s muse in a painfully boring storyline with Patrick. Then there was recast Marty, the mom of Cole. Then SH returned and Matry went back to being evil crazy Marty, which is how the character started out. Marty was always just a plot point, and was never essential to the show. It annoyed me that no one bothered to remember Marty had lupus, the character’s main feature upon her introduction. During her last months on the show, Marty was complete useless, and I’m so happy she finally was ushered out of Llanview.

    • imasoapfan

      September 12, 2011 at 10:36 am

      Wish I could edit my Matry’s to Marty’s. lol.

  44. foley

    September 12, 2011 at 9:24 pm

    Nothing has been right with ABC daytime since Disney corporation took over several years ago. Only the bottom line matters. There is little to no regard for the show the actors and certainly not the fans of daytime dramas. And the cheaply produced programming that is schdueled to replace these daytime dramas it’s just criminal.

  45. Jan

    September 13, 2011 at 9:32 am

    He hit the mark, two todd’s. bogus.
    Oh by the way thanks for the mention of Patricks name by John.
    Susan just thrown away, just adding insult to injury.
    By the way OLTL bring Brandon back..
    Granted Buddy left, so what, he has more acting power then Nic has with Kirsten all over the screen.

  46. Kate

    September 15, 2011 at 5:38 am

    They made Marty look like a psycho and at times it was hard to watch on television. I agree 100% about the two Todds storyline. I can NOT believe they let Trevor St. John go in the way they did. It was a big mistake. There was a lot more story to tell. I can only hope that maybe somehow in true soap fashion he isnt dead and we will see him online when OLTL goes there. Thank you Thorsten for saying what fans have been saying all along!

    • Waltina

      September 23, 2011 at 5:31 pm

      I believe most fans don’t understand the day that it was announced that Roger Howarth was coming back spelled doom for Trevor. They had no intentions of keeping him on the show, they had the savior of the world of soaps coming back. And I’m so sick and tired of Roger fans saying it was Trevors fault, he wanted to leave then at the last moment changed his mind. Why would he come back to a show where he was disrespected by the PTB, not was cast member spoke up for him, fans showing they only cared about him if he was playing another character other than Todd, and the great Roger was coming back to his role as Todd. A man who had thumbed his nose at the show and castmates so many times by leaving and coming back. It is my hope the Trevor never comes back to this show because he can do better, and he has better range as an actor. Also no actor should be slapped in the face the way he was. Then add injure to insult kill him off the air because he can’t be on the show with the great Roger Howarth. What is so funny about all of this is with the great rating the show is getting, it’s still being cancelled and General Hospital will still be on ABC for a several more months.
      One would think with the King coming back and the rating so good ABC would consider keeping One Life To Live on the Air. Just something to think about.
      Good Luck Trevor whatever you’re doing.

  47. lisa

    September 15, 2011 at 8:37 pm

    I enjoyed the two Todds storyline….however it was far too brief.The big reveal that they were in fact twin brothers.
    And the trashing of Marty and firing of Susan….she should have been around for Rogers’ return.
    They could have had Dr.Buhari mixed up with this rogue agency and had her spiking Marty’s meds to make her do crazy things and make her paranoid.
    Then her character could be redeemed.
    Could you just imagine her reaction to two Todds.
    And the realization that she didn’t sleep with the man who had raped her.
    Too much good opportunity wasted….and the talents of two great actors wasted.

  48. dg

    August 31, 2012 at 12:39 am

    I completely agree with Thorsten and i applaud him for speaking out. The tale of 2 Todds was completely convoluted and just plain stupid. I came back to One Life to see Roger Howarth again but the story made me cringe.
    It was a prime example of how I say that Cartini dumbs down the soap genre. Irene Manning running a CIA organization holding Todd hostage, give me a break. Im surprised she didnt show up alive after Todd shot her. The entire story was lame.
    And the way they completely ruined Marty’s character was ridiculous. Like i always say Cartini write soaps like Tabloid newspapers. They put an attention grabbing headline and pic on the cover, but when you pick it up, open it and start to read it you realize its all implausible nonsense! Thronsten rocks!

  49. dg

    August 31, 2012 at 1:07 am

    Thank you Stephen for summing up Cartini in a nutshell. They are all about sensationalism at the cost of substance and respect for the actors and the intellect of the viewers! They do sensational thing after sensational thing. But they never stop to think..wait a minute, could this really happen? Or is this true to the characters and the history of the show? Is this intelligent? lol.
    From what Ive seen of their work on GH they havent changed. And I really hate their take on GH. But what I hate more is that in today’s generation, the viewers themselves are more than willing to put their intellect on the shelf to consume this drivel. Its truly and insult to a genre that took risks to explore social issues at a time when society was afraid to speak of them. The industry, the viewers and everyone seems to have forgotten that soaps broke new ground in the days when TV itself was still experimental.
    But now all we want is explicit sense, sensational fluffy stories and drivel. Agnes Nixon, Irna Phillips and Bill Bell are turning over in their graves.

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‘Strahan, Sara and Keke’ Canceled by ABC; Show Aired In Timeslot That Once Housed ‘All My Children’

No matter a network tries to do, replacing All My Children, which ran for 41 years on ABC has remained as everyone that follows the world of daytime drama knows, problematic.  Now come word via Page Six that Strahan, Sara and Keke has been canceled.

The show hosted by Michael Strahan, Sara Haines and Keke Palmer if you recall, replaced the foodie show, The Chew which ran for seven seasons and was the first show to air in the timeslot that belonged for over four decades to All My Children. 

Back in March of this year, Strahan, Sara and Keke took a break to make way for ABC’s News  Pandemic: What You Need to Know, a daily coronavirus report anchored by Amy Robach, Dr. Jen Ashton and sometimes TJ Holmes.

However, because the show did well in that two-week experimental run it morphed into GMA 3: What You Need to Know.  The new version of the show also talked about hot topics in the current news cycle, as well.

ABC’s Catherine McKenzie began producing the “GMA3” show four months ago and the network officially announced her as Executive Producer of the program on Thursday.

While ABC has yet to officially announce Strahan, Sara and Keke is over, a spokesperson told Page Six: “We’re proud of our teams at ‘SSK’ and ‘GMA3’ and how quickly they transitioned to producing a daily show to give people the news and information they need during an unprecedented pandemic, and conversations continue about how the show will evolve in the months ahead.”

It appears that Strahan, Sara and Keke won’t be returning; the future as many of their staff have transitioned over to ‘GMA 3’ with producers from ABC News Live, (the streaming division), helmed by McKenzie.

As for the futures of Strahan, Haines and Palmer; Strahan will continues to host Good Morning America, and they are all actively under contract with the network.

So, what do you think of  ‘Strahan, Sara and Kek’e being replaced by ‘GMA 3: What You  Need to Know’?  How long do you think that show will last in the timeslot once taken up by residents of Pine Valley? Comment below.

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Eva LaRue Talks On Her Daytime Emmy Nomination, And Opens Up About The Loss Of John Callahan

For Eva LaRue, the past two months have been some of the most emotionally gut-wrenching and challenging of her life, following the passing of her ex-husband, father of her child, and dearest friend, John Callahan (Ex-Edmund, All My Children). The outpouring of support she has received not only from her former AMC cast mates, but the soap world in general illustrates just how dear Eva is to all of us, and how many people had special memories of their time with John.

While mourning the loss of Callahan along with their daughter, Kaya, there was some heartwarming and re-affirming news that any actress would love to hear. Eva was nominated for a Daytime Emmy in the Outstanding Guest Performer in a Drama Series for her work as Celeste Rosales on CBS’ The Young and the Restless, and she is great company as her former AMC co-star Michael E. Knight (Ex-Tad) is also nominated along with her for his work on General Hospital.

The coronavirus pandemic has hit our country and world hard, but through it All My Children virtual reunions emerged as fans were engaged by the content, transported to happier times that brought them back to familiar faces in Pine Valley in which Eva participated along with her good friends, Kelly Ripa, Mark Consuelos and so many more, thanks to the EW. com weeklong event which concluded on Friday.

Michael Fairman TV talked with Eva in this very candid, at times heartbreaking, and open conversation where she shares details into the final days of her beloved John, her last moments with him, and how she tried to plan a memorial in his honor during the COVID-19 pandemic.

For so many of us, 2020 has certainly seen more lows then highs, but in the end for Eva, to receive a nomination now (an award she was last nominated for back in 1997 as Outstanding Supporting Actress in a Drama Series for her work as Dr Maria Santos on All My Children) couldn’t have come at a better time. Here now is our conversation with Eva.

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I’ve been thinking so much about you.  I’m glad we could do this, and in the midst of the tragedy of losing John Callahan, and then receiving a Daytime Emmy nomination.  What was your reaction when you learned you were nominated in a category with none other than your former AMC castmate and good friend, Michael E. Knight (Ex-Tad, AMC, now Martin, GH)?

EVA:  Oh, I know!  He’s the first person I texted!  I was like, “Congratulations, Michael!  Did you ever in a million years think that you and I would be in the same category of anything?”  Then I said, “And when you win this, can I just borrow it for the weekend just to dress it up and take pictures with it… just want to borrow it, just babysit the trophy for a weekend, please?” (Laughs)

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What did you end up submitting that landed you the nomination for your role as Celeste on Y&R?

EVA: I submitted a scene with Peter Bergman (Jack, Y&R), who I have been friends for 30 years, if not more, and in all that time we had never worked together.  I met him when I was married to John O’Hurley (Ex- Dr. James Grainger) because John was over at The Young and the Restless at the time.  I went to a Christmas party with John to Peter and Mariellen’s house, and do you know who else was there?  Lisa Rinna (Ex-Billie, Days), and it was before she had gotten Days of Our Lives. She was dating Peter Barton (Ex-Scott Grainger, Y&R) at the time. We both ended up on soaps at the same time.  So, I submitted a scene with Peter, who is amazing, warm and open and such a great actor. Then I submitted a scene with my on-screen daughter Sasha Calle (Lola, Y&R) – I love that girl, and another one with Michelle Stafford (Phyllis, Y&R) who has also been my great friend for a couple of decades. The other scene I put on my reel was with me and Jordi Vilasuso (Rey, Y&R) who I also adore.  He is awesome and such a sweetheart.  I only had two months worth of material to draw upon.  So, I just submitted the scenes that I liked the best, and they all were within story, and all made sense.

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Where is Celeste supposed to be now?

EVA:  She went back to Florida, and that was that. I would never say never to anything, but it was always supposed to be a short stint, and it was great.

So not only is it you and Michael E. Knight, but Jeffery Vincent Parise, Chrishell Stause, and Elissa Kapneck. This Guest Performer category is loaded!

EVA:  I know! I know and love, Chrishell (Ex-Amanda) because we worked together on All My Children, too, right before I left, and she is a doll.  She just might be the sweetest, kindest, girl on the planet.  She literally might be the sweetest person who ever lived!  I don’t know the other two nominees personally.  So, I’m excited for them too.  It’s such a diverse category.  It’s just really fun to be nominated with all of them.

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You were nominated before, though, for your work as Maria on All My Chldren during the emotional baby switch storyline; working opposite Susan Lucci (Ex-Erica) for a lot in it.

EVA:  Yes.  I was nominated for Best Supporting Actress for All My Children, and I was nominated for Best Original Song.  I wrote a song when Maria came ‘back from the dead’ to All My Children, with a producer friend of mine from Miami Sound Machine.

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So, you’ve been doing all of these All My Children virtual reunions, which is so interesting that in this pandemic, people are looking for content, and they dip back into these beloved shows.  Was it fun doing the Santos Family reunion with everybody?

EVA:  Oh yeah, it was really, really fun.  I only saw in the big picture everybody else’s photo who was a part of it, and the people who I actually do hang out with the most, and see the most, and talk to the most, are Kelly Ripa (Ex-Hayley), Mark Consuelos (Ex-Mateo), and Sydney Penny (Ex-Julia).  I don’t see Sydney as much, but I do see her probably once every two years at least, but Sarah Michelle Geller (ExKendall) I see all the time and talk to all the time.  Kelly, Mark, and Sarah are the ones who walked me through that first week when John Callahan passed.  They literally were on the phone with me, the three of them, almost every day, but I got beautiful outreach, from what seemed like everyone.  This is when no matter how many years have passed since you have been in daytime, that the daytime family as a group – there used to be fifteen shows, now there are four – and people have bounced around and they are on other shows- – but the entire soap opera community reached out,   I cannot even tell you how much that meant to me.  It was overwhelming, and it was really, spectacularly beautiful.

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I hope it was some solace to you knowing how much people loved John, and also that they love and care so deeply for you.

EVA:  I mean, people who did not even work with John reached out.  Every soap was represented by getting a hold of me, sending a text or a phone call, or if they didn’t have my personal information, they tweeted, or whatever it was… literally from every reach of soapdom.  It was amazing.

And your relationship with John was amazing with all of the ups and downs you went through; that you remained such dear friends.

EVA:  We remained really great friends all the way.

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I so remember when the two of you first got together and it was this storybook real life soap couple romance.  John was always so sweet to me.  I was so, so sad, and you know, my heart just broke for you.

EVA:  I think it was just such a shock.  I don’t think anybody, and even Kaya were talking about it, because she graduated this week, and her dad is not here.  We’re not having a graduation, because of COVID-19, which sucks on top of it, but we were just kind of talking through the feelings of it.  She said, “You know what’s weird?  I guess I never pictured dad getting old, and I always wondered why, and now I know.”  When I would get on John about his heart or his health, he used to always say, ‘Oh, don’t worry Evala, (he always called me “Evala”).  I’m going to be here.  I’m going to be here a long time.  I’m fine.  I’m going to be here to walk Kaya down the aisle and see her kids and all that.  Stop worrying,” Every time he said it to me, something in my gut said, “I don’t think he is.  I don’t think he is,” but I always just dismissed that.  But never in my wildest dreams did I think John wouldn’t make it to her high school graduation.  He was only 66.

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I had heard you ended up running to Palm Springs to be near John.  I can’t even imagine what that must have been like.

EVA:  The only good thing about this pandemic is that we had been shut down for only two weeks at that point.  Kaya and I got in the car.  John had some heart procedures the day before, on a Thursday.  I called him in the morning before he went in for the procedure.  I said, “Call me as soon as you get out of there.  Call me as soon as you come-to again, and you’re good,” and he said, “Okay, I will.”  I said, “I’m going to send Kaya out to you on Friday for the weekend, just so you have somebody to hang out and watch you, and I might come out too,” And then, I said, “Maybe, I’ll come down too in case you are feeling weak, just to watch out for you for the weekend.”   So, he called me after the procedure.   I said, “I cannot believe they sent you home! You just had some major heart stuff done.”  He said, “Oh no, they said I’m fine.  It was just run-of-the-mill heart stuff, angiogram…”  I was like, “Are you sure?”  He said, “Yeah, I’m fine.  I’m just tired.  I’m going to go to sleep.”  I said, “Do you want me to send Kaya out tonight?” and he was like, “No, no, no.  Send her tomorrow.”  So, in the morning, I called him at 9:00am.  No answer.  I texted him.  He always texted me like Johnny on the spot, and then texts me immediately back.  So, I call him again at 10.  Nothing.  His best friend calls me about a half-hour later, “Hey, I talked to John at about 8:00 this morning.  He said he was feeling really, really shitty and was going to go back to the hospital, and then, I texted him again at like 8:30 to just tell him something, and he hasn’t texted me back, and he always texts me immediately back.”  I said, “Oh my, God, I’ve been trying to get a hold of him for two hours; he hasn’t texted me back,”   I said, “You know what, I’ll call you back.”  So, I called his friend who lives down the street from John, and I said, “Go to his house, please right this second, knock on the door, jump the fence, knock on his bedroom, he might be asleep, I don’t know.”  So, he gets there, nobody is answering.  I said, “Break into the house please.  So, he did, and John was collapsed in the bathroom.  They called the paramedics, and as soon as they called me back and said, “John is unresponsive in the bathroom,” Kaya and I threw everything in the car, and what usually takes us two and a half hours without traffic, we made it down there from Los Angeles in an hour and forty-five minutes.

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I don’t know how you made it down there in one piece. Thank, God!

EVA:  I drove so fast, like literally broke all land speed records and thank God because we got there just in time.  He was in emergency.  He hadn’t been put up in ICU yet, where we wouldn’t have been able to see him.  They weren’t going to let us in the hospital.  Thank God the person answering the door was an All My Children fan.  She was the one saying, “Sorry, no one is allowed in the hospital, no one can come in,” and I was like, “No, no, no, my ex-husband just came in.”  She said, “Was it Edmund?” and I said, “Yes, it was Edmund!”  She said, “Okay, follow me.”  Thank God for All My Children.  Thank God.  So, we followed this woman secretly, and we get to spend a half-hour with him in Emergency.  He was already on life-support, totally unresponsive, but we got to play John his favorite music, we got to just sit there and hold his hand and talk to him, and tell him how much we loved him.  Sarah Michelle Gellar called right when we were in the hospital in Emergency, and she said, “Put the phone by his ear,” so I put the phone by his ear, and she talked to John too, and she told him how much she loved him.  She used to always call him “GP”, which was short of grandpa, because she came on the show when she was 15, and she didn’t have a dad, and John acted like a dad to her – but she used to always call him “grandpa”, and he hated “grandpa”, so he was like, “You can call me “GP”, but not grandpa,” so she always called him GP.  I just put the phone by John’s ear, and what was crazy is that when she talked to him, his feet started twitching.  He started moving his feet.  Then, when Kaya was talking to him about Yankee season, he started moving his feet.  We were kind of hopeful that something was changing for the better.  We had about a half-hour with him, and then, they took him up to ICU, and then, we knew we couldn’t see him again.  They called us later that night that he had passed.

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I am just so thankful that you got to see John one last time.

EVA:  I thank God every day that we got to say goodbye, because if we hadn’t gotten there in time to say goodbye, I just don’t know.

It’s very rare that a couple after a divorce, who have a child, and went from romance to dear friends, end up maintaining that relationship so many years later in their lives.  I know so many people who were together at one point in their lives, for years, and they don’t even talk to each other now.

EVA:  Well, you know, like any divorce, the first four years afterwards were super contentious but then, by year five, we kind of had this major breakthrough, and from then on, he was one of my closest friends, and one of the things we always kept alive for each other was we loved to  dance together. We fell in love, I think, dancing because originally our characters on AMC met at this country-western bar, and we had to take country line dancing lessons on the show.  They hired a choreographer for us so that during those scenes where we were falling in love, we would actually be able to do a two-step! So, we went out and practiced at Denim and Diamonds, which was a big country-western place in New York City at the time.  We used to go out with a whole group of us.  It was me, and Teresa Blake (Ex-Gloria) and Kelly Ripa, and her boyfriend at the time, Winsor Harmon (Ex-Del), sometimes Walt Willey (Ex-Jack); we just had a whole crew of us who would go out country dancing.  John and I also loved singing together.  He had the most amazing gravely kind of rockstar voice, but his real talent was harmonizing.  He could harmonize to anything.  So, when he would come over, we would sit in the kitchen and sing, and sing, and sing until the late hours because that’s what we loved to do, and that’s what he loved to do.  That’s one of my favorite last memories of us.  He was just over the month before, and Kaya’s bedroom is near the kitchen, so she came out and was like, “Can you two shut up?”  It was like two in the morning and we were still singing in the kitchen. (Laughs)  John was my dear friend and my confidant.

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Were you able to have some kind of service during this stay-at-home pandemic we are all dealing with, in order to mourn the loss of John?

EVA:  It’s been so crazy.  We couldn’t even have a funeral.  That’s what made it all the more heartbreaking.  There were less than twenty of us, and we just got on a Zoom call and memorialized John.   I thought we were going to do a big Zoom memorial, but it seemed so overwhelming and so impersonal, it just was rubbing us wrong in every way.  Every way we were looking at it, we were like, “Oh my, God, we just can’t.”  We wanted to invite everybody he had ever worked with, and we were like, “No, we want to do that when everything can open back up again, and invite every person, and have a party” because John was always the life of every party.  Maybe we can do that in the fall or next year.  I kept trying to write something for the small memorial we did do for three days.  I kept coming back to this one song, because John was always the consummate bartender, too.  I sang a song that Bette Midler sang on the very last episode of Johnny Carson.  It was “One for My Baby (and One More for the Road)” and it’s about a bartender who has got a big personality and a lot to say.   I changed some of the words around a bit just to reflect who John was, and so, I ended up singing for it instead of speaking.  We always talked about that last episode of Carson; how stunningly emotional it was when Bette sang that song to kind of sing Johnny off for of all of his years on the air.  So, that’s what I did and because we loved to sing together, it just made sense.

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I do think you touched upon something, earlier, too.  I don’t think any other genre would have that kind of unbridled camaraderie.  It’s such a family, like you said.  I don’t think you would find that quite like this; certainly in show business. 

EVA:  I really don’t think you can. Even though there is always a good amount of competition in the soaps as well; between the soaps it’s like they are any sports team, but there is always a level of respect, love, and familial connection within the community.  I think that is why they have stood the test of time.  I really do think that is what hooks our audience, that is what keeps them there after all of these years, even though unfortunately the genre is antiquated looking, there is something about it that is nostalgic, familial, and comfortable for people.

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Every time I talk about All My Children, why do you think everybody go ga-ga for it, when it’s been off the air for several years now?

EVA:  It speaks to people’s childhoods.  It speaks to how we grew up.  You can’t undo nostalgia.  You can’t.  It’s in the way we grew up, the things we loved, the things that we scheduled our lives around, the people we fell in love with on the shows that we watched, who we cared about and loved their storylines. I grew up watching All My Children, General Hospital, and Days of Our Lives.

It must have been a spectacular moment for you when you realized you were actually in Pine Valley and a member of the cast of All My Children then?

EVA:  It was amazing.  I was a fan when I got the show.  I was a straight up fan.  I fangirled walking through that dressing room hallway for the first time! I was trying to keep it in check, but you know … (Laughs)

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So, in closing, you would say, “Thrilled to be nominated”?

EVA:  Yes.  So fun.  It has really been a rollercoaster of a couple of months here.  That nomination was literally the bright, shining spot in all of this.

So, happy to hear Eva is in the running for a Daytime Emmy? Were you moved by Eva’s sentiments she shared on her relationship with the late John Callahan? Do you miss Pine Valley’s Dr. Maria Santos? Share your thoughts in the comment section below.

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All My Children Reunion with Josh Duhamel, Ricky Paull Goldin, Cameron Mathison and More; Later Debbi Morgan Live

It’s a big finale of the weeklong virtual celebration of the iconic All My Children.  On tap today in EW’s series to benefit Feeding America during the COVID-19, some major names from the history of Pine Valley and who had story with each other participating in the chat, premiering at 10 a. m. EST.

Taking part in the walk down memory lane are none other than Josh Duhamel (Ex-Leo), Ricky Paull Goldin (Ex-Jake), Chrishell Stause (Ex-Amanda), Cameron Mathison (Ex-Ryan), Rebecca Budig (Ex-Greenelee) and Melissa Claire Egan (Ex-Annie).

But that’s not all folks! Daytime Emmy winner, Debbi Morgan will participate in a live virtual chat with today beginning at 3 p.m. EST/12 p. m. PST.  Now will be your chance to hear from the one and only Angie Hubbard from the beloved ABC daytime drama series.

Over the week, has posted other virtual conversations with notables from Pine Valley, you can check them out here.

So, will you be checking out today’s one-two punch of AMC favorites? Comment below.

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