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Have Daytime Dramas Become More Afraid Of Having Gay Characters On The Canvas?

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Courtesy/NBC

Everyone has witnessed the seeming decimination of a major LGBT storyline and plot points between, Sonny (Freddie Smith), Will (originally Chandler Massey, and last played by Guy Wilson) and Paul (Christopher Sean) on NBC’s Days of our Lives. 

Prior to the show turning 50, and airing their anniversary episodes, several key plot points occurred.  Sonny left the canvas, next the legacy character of Will Horton was murdered in heinous fashion by the nectkie serial killer, and the third part of this story, Paul Narita (Sonny’s ex, and who had an affair with Will) has no present story related to a romance or new character in town to spark his interest.  Paul is, of course, going to be seen on-air in the coming months helping his father John Black (Drake Hogestyn) find out about his past.

TV Insider’s Matt Roush who does a terrific column, where he chooses question from his site readers and gives insight, spoilers, and answers them to the best of his ability was posed a question which said:Does anyone in the TV industry know or care that Days of Our Lives exterminated their iconic gay legacy character and pretty much abolished all things gay on the show, just in time to celebrate 50 years on the air? Will Horton was killed off. Talented Sean Christopher, brought on as iconic John Black’s gay son, has been on possibly five times in as many months, and Emmy winner Freddie Smith left on his own, probably after being informed his on-screen husband would be murdered and they were not interested in writing any more same sex couples. Did Days of Our Lives turn away from the gay characters due to homophobic fallout? Did they blame the ratings decline on that? I notice General Hospital has backed off the Lucas/Brad romance as well. Is daytime afraid to be gay? — David”

To which Roush replied: “To address this provocative issue, which I am assured has caused some stir within the industry, I reached out to our resident expert in all things daytime, the great Michael Logan. He informs me that Days‘ executive producer and head writer have so far declined to comment on Will’s death, or, quoting Logan, “why [they] would agree to terminate such an important and groundbreaking character. … So we are left to our own suspicions.” This surprises me, I’ll be honest, given how soaps in general tend to be more progressive and inclusive in their storytelling, especially in light of recent social trends and advancements. And when you look at what’s happening in the most popular prime-time serials, like Empire and Shonda Rhimes’ Thursday dramas, which spotlight and celebrate all manner of sexual orientations and combinations, I wouldn’t expect characters like these to be deal-breakers in daytime. So I’m as puzzled as you are, and you’re obviously not alone.”

It it is curious that daytime dramas cannot seem to take note from any of Shonda Rimes series: How to Get Away with Murder, or Grey’s Anatomy where she has gay characters, ABC’s Nashville where they continue to tell the tale of a once majorly in-the-closet country western singer’s struggles in his career and his love life (played touchingly by Chris Carmack), or Lee Daniels smash hit on Fox, Empire.  But is this just purely the case of a major part of the daytime audience tuning-out and not wanting to see two men on camera kissing and being together as a couple still in 2015?  Perhaps, as much as we think the ratings numbers are solid for these storylines, they don’t really make enough of an impact or dent for the network?  Could it be on primetime there is a more diverse and accepting audience watching in total?  It is also curious that when you speak to any experts in the field of daytime soaps, females and gay men comprise the biggest segment and demographic of the population who watch their favorite shows. Yes, we still have Lucas (Ryan Carnes), Felix (Marc Anthony Samuel), and Brad (Parry Shen) on GH, and we are going to be having a bisexual character arrive on the canvas soon on B&B, but at the moment, none of these characters are driving major story like the DAYS trio had.

Weigh-in on:  Why you think there is a lack of gay characters and major central stories for them on the canvas of the soaps in 2015 in the comment section below!

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Cary Giacalone
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Cary Giacalone

Unfortunately the handwriting is on the wall, and yes they are backing off.

As we can see the more the LGBT community makes advances in getting equal rights the more the bigots scream and yell, causing some to reverse where they are going. In this time when we need the shows that we have supported our entire lives to send the message that all should be looked at without prejudice and hate they are running in the other direction.

Patrick
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Patrick

and that’s whats galling in all this… NBC / Sony / Days of OUR Lives should be celebrating… and they truly are the frontrunners…. in this lauded emmy winning storyline wow… the show was faltering for the longest time… and Will, Sonny, Paul, and Derrick … gave this show substance… and marquee a life line… full of energy and yes… i’ll repeat often… this story line.. shared, for our youth… a story being told… helped ease their livelihood this story… helped people of all ages, race, sects, and whatever prevented their due… to know that family members… were being made… Read more »

Sharon
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Sharon

I am so glad

Willy Garza ( PartyWill )
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Willy Garza ( PartyWill )

It’s a very sad state when Daytime starts breaking away from such potential storylines . #Atwt made its mark with its first gay character . Then #Oltl , followed by #Atwt for Luke & Noah I being Proud Gay Latino am so upset that #DaysOfOurLives obliterated our favorite Gay Couple ! It’s great seeing Paul Norita still on the air . I won’t be surprised if he’s going to turn BiSexual again soon if only to pacify the powers that be . I hope one day the homophobia can change but truthfully I don’t see it happening . I myself… Read more »

Chris
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Chris

DOOL did this to appease its old HOMOPHOBIC fan base which is disgusting. DOOL and GH are going to loose newer fans because of this homophobic move. I loved the Wilson story line and think it belongs on DOOL. Ken Corday should step up and restore the Wilson story and stop listening to homophobic old fans that represent the minority opinion in America.

4ever DAYS
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4ever DAYS

It’s not that simple, Chris.

Ken Corday is the owner of DAYS, but he has to cooperate with Sony and NBC.

Sony distributes DAYS and NBC airs DAYS.

As su0000 already posted, there are sponsors who are partly responsible too.

Ultimately, the ratings are closely watched and the previously super low ratings are what caused several changes at DAYS.

Stephen
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Stephen

All three parties : Corday Productions, NBC, and Sony were *very* behind the introduction of a gay element to the show back in 2011. Corday Productions had been wanting to do introduce a gay character for years, and they took the opportunity when Will, a character strongly linked to the canvas by family, was of the age of becoming a man, and NBC and Sony were very supportive of Corday Productions in developing the gay storyline, and encouraged them to go for it. And Corday Productions then produced an excellent and very human story, which led to three Emmy wins… Read more »

Stephen
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Stephen

Actually the very fact that Days decided to have a gay cleanse to satisfy the gay-hating people that it wanted as an audience, and to actually brutally murder and demean it’s main gay character to satisfy them (and demean the other gay characters too), is double triple reason for television companies to put gay characters on our screens so that the world can see and accept gay people as they are – normal human beings, who are as human as everyone else, and entitled to every human right as is everyone else. And it is triple triple reason for Days… Read more »

Mary
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Mary

I am more than with you on this one. DOOL is under threat of cancellation which I don’t think is any secret. Viewership is down. Ken Corday is trying to save the show. There was a great deal of anger from people over the marriage of Will and Sonny. Unfortunately, gay marriage is not universally accepted. For these angry people DOOL was not “espousing” traditional values of marriage so they stopped watching. Problem is that there are a lot more of these homophobic fans than you would think. And they are extremely vocal. If DOOL is going to continue the… Read more »

sue evans
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sue evans

i agree totally with you, i loved the gay story line it was a refreshing change to Days, i myself have had many gay friends and family members as well, matter of fact my granddaughter is gay, thats their preference, i dont have anything negative against gays, they are human just as you and me so i really hope that days bring them back on the show, and actually even lesbians, im looking forward to it

Dawn D
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Dawn D

I would hope not! Soaps have been about life first and foremost. I get nervous when they choose to use the shows for health issue etc. I have no problem but they need to provide a link or brief professional link to more info. Soap box moment ie Sharon on Y&R has Bipolar many people have this disease and work and function normally and do what is necessary medically. I would prefer if soaps show that more than exploit people who don’t and just show them as “crazy” for s/l is not the responsible way. JMHO

Paul N.
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Paul N.

Yes, yes, yes. You’d have to be blind not to see the inherent homophobic pandering that was deliberately put into the way Will’s death was handled. Ben was given more sympathy and POV, while Will was degraded in every possible way – treated like garbage. Meanwhile, the show was tweeting happy pictures of heterosexual cast members telling us all to celebrate. As has been pointed out before, Will and Sonny had no reunion and were not even allowed to be in the same scene with each other. There were no flashbacks. Will’s sexuality was barely mentioned. Sonny abandoned their daughter… Read more »

Anne for The Gays
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Anne for The Gays

Nice Paul, shout out to GW for running a marathon for a worthy cause last week. Kudos to him for using his time wisely. And CM for not allowing himself to get caught up in this ridiculousness with the comparing of actors, utter nonsense.i

sue evans
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sue evans

i know what your talking about, it really pissed me off when i would read all the negative comments about Will, he was an excellent actor and played the gay character very well, as i told many of the neg people, “how would you like it if you were fired because so many people complained about every little thing good or bad you did and made very rude comments just because you are different, i have nothing at all against gays or lesbians, its their life ! bring them back on my one and only Days

lulu
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lulu

I haven’t watched DOOL since they decided to degay their show in time for their 50th anniversary. I thought the whole brutal killing of Will was such a slap in the face to the LGBT community and its supporters .The only reason for Will being killed was to pacify Ma & Pa Kettle who couldn’t stand the sight of two gay men in a relationship actually raising a family. To pretend that the gay storyline was the reason for the decline in ratings is another crock of BS when you read the leaked Sony emails when one of the executives… Read more »

4ever DAYS
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4ever DAYS

Do you watch Y&R, lala?

lulu
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lulu

Well, since my name isn’t lala, I assume that’s your attempt at humor . Also, I haven’t seen watch Y& R in a while, is that supposed to mean something to me.I know they had one gay character who was a lawyer that played a part in a horrible storyline that was a joke. I commented on that worthless storyline years ago when it happened. So, what was the point of your comment?

4ever DAYS
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4ever DAYS

I’m sorry, lulu.

I wasn’t sure if you watch Y&R. I just find it somewhat hypocritical for viewers to attack DAYS for the alleged homophobic deeds, especially since showcasing GLBT, while celebrating how supreme Y&R is, which has done basically nothing for the cause.

Did you notice how Michael Fairman Soaps didn’t mention Y&R in the story? In practically every Y&R related story, Y&R is mentioned as “The number one rated soap.”

WHY WASN’T THE NUMBER ONE RATED SOAP MENTIONED IN THE ARTICLE ? Is it because they fear losing it’s number one status. Is Y&R homophobic?

Robert
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Robert

Looks like Days is paying this.. thing (4ever Days) to kiss their a$$…

Kaylie15
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Kaylie15

The fact that Days repeated Will’s strangulation over and over again is another very strong tell that they were pandering to an audience that wanted to see Will suffer, whether it was out of self-hatred or homophobia. Just watch the documentary The Celluloid Closet, they talk about how killing a gay character has been an easy way to win the goodwill of hateful audiences since the dawn of cinema. Will’s death was carefully crafted to pander to that, but it’s clear that the Days team thought we were too stupid to notice or the Will-hating trolls were the majority. I… Read more »

Tim Welles
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Tim Welles

I agree that it reminds me of the way gays were depicted in earlier films (gays must be a horrible demise) and one would think that SOME progress had been achieved but really, Will’s death, Paul’s being left adrift, Derrick leaving town (or whatever happened to him) and Sonny’s departure clearly show that the writers do not want to deal with gay characters. They have lost me as a viewer…..and probably others. True they will keep the old lady viewers happy with this same old schlock about Kayla and Patch (Yawn….) and Bo getting back with Hope (zzzzzzzz…..) but they… Read more »

4ever DAYS
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4ever DAYS

@Robert and lulu,

I’m not a thing. I’m a person with opinions. I’m a fan of DAYS “whom” is not paid for my fandom. And an opinion is not and can never be considered kissing a$$.

I accept DAYS decisions as long as I’m entertained and those decisions are made in an attempt to keep DAYS going.

lulu
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lulu

@ 4ever, so now you’re accusing me of saying things to you that I didn’t. I never called you a thing or said you were paid for your point of view. If you want to complain about what Robert said go to it, but don’t lump his comment with mine and accuse me of posting something to you that I didn’t.

Franck
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Franck

Yes Robert, looks like it…

k/kay
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k/kay

Please knock it off no one over there is homophobic my god is that the buzz word of the day the actors left and moved on to something else. Why don’t we discuss the many years in daytime soaps with the raping and killing of women for ratings did we ever hear a peep from anyone about it. Hell no they were all made heroes so take a seat you have not even come close to what women have been put thru by men on soaps.

Mary
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Mary

@ lulu

Your post is right on!! Will was brutally killed off and the gay story line ended in order to appease the old homophobic fan base. You know, the old loyal fans who have been watching Days of years. If Days is to continue to survive it needs the old loyal homophobic fans back. And what do they want? Well, they want a return to traditional marriage values; Kayla and Steve, John and Marlena, Bo and Hope, Julie and Doug etc etc. The good old days when straight marriages were celebrated and “honored”.

Matthew Place
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Matthew Place

Older viewers, those over 49, do not count in the ratings. Older viewers cannot save Days. If Days (or any of the daytime soaps) are to survive, they need new younger viewers. Advertisers like younger viewers who aren’t already brand-loyal.

Tim Welles
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Tim Welles

But Mary, today no longer is the same as “the good old days” when traditional marriage was honored. If the new writers at Days Of Our Lives just keep writing about John and Marlena and Bo and Hope….I mean, aren’t YOU tired of it? Obviously, you’re against having any gay characters or any real diversification to speak of. I’m not AGAINST the older characters at all but honestly, they need to bring the show into a new direction – it was obvious that they “wrote out” or “killed off” the gay characters in favor of the same old, same old… Read more »

4ever DAYS
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4ever DAYS

No, lulu, I’m not accusing you of calling me a thing. The second half of my comment was for you and the first part was for Robert, but because his comment was sent to you, I wanted to be sure you knew I was against what he was telling you. Plus, there was no reply option on his comment.

elm51
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elm51

the reason tptb/tiic/writers had that picture blow away from will’s headstone was to let the viewers know that the gay storyline was indeed gone forever……………..jmo

Jimh(leave it to beaver)
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Jimh(leave it to beaver)

What about Y&R…they never had a major gay storyline…why not go to them and ask why they dont have a major gay story with gays…at least Days had one for some time…we dont know whats ahead for Paul beside Johns storyline…i did believe Days did a good job and it was an interesting storyline but maybe the shows problem wasnt they were showing gays but it seemed to be its only major storyline with very little going on with the other characters…just like Nicole/Daniel/Eric back-and-forth storyline got to be too much…maybe Paul will eventually get his own story once the… Read more »

Jonboy
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Jonboy

And YnR has been #1 rated daytime drama for years. Where was Days?

maddiehayes
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maddiehayes

Thanks Jim, Y&R is by far the most popular soap, without gays! DAYS had a big gay wedding, and it was one of the lowest rated episodes ever! Obviously there are more viewers who don’t care about gay characters than there are viewers who REALLY WANT them. I think most women would MUCH rather see a big traditional wedding, with a BRIDE and groom, and the beautiful bride and bridesmaids’ dresses. Gay characters are a niche market, and they do NOT have to be front-and-center all the time! Most of us want to see OTHER minority groups represented, like African-Americans,… Read more »

Bennyd
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Bennyd

A TRADITIONAL wedding with a bride and groom!!! Are you kidding me?!? Not saying they shouldn’t have gays?!? Well Maddie, you got your wish – not only are the GAYS not on the front burner but they’ve been completely thrown off the stove! Btw, younger, more progressive viewers are the future of the soap genre – not the grays. Plus, gay men have been a large part of the soap audience for years! In today’s world it is wonderful to have a coming out storyline like Will’s – he was a role model to so many young gay men dealing… Read more »

maddiehayes
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maddiehayes

Bennyd, the majority of Y&R’s audience may be over 70 (which I doubt), but they have more 18-49 viewers than DAYS does.

ChandlerFan
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ChandlerFan

Actually, I was perfectly okay with the show depicting Will’s story primarily from the perspective of how it affected his great-grandmother, grandmothers, mother, and daughter. (Example: Will’s coming out quickly gave almost all of the screen-time to showing how it affected Sami.) Frankly, the scenes showing how to react, or what to say, in those situations were some of the warmest moments on the show, and were quite instructive to audience members who might have similar conversations with their own children/grand-children. So, if it was necessary to show Will’s story almost exclusively in a way which connected to the show’s… Read more »

M M
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M M

Thanks Bennyd, agreed. Since the comments are so indifferent about all things gay, well, let’s see. Who cares about Abe and Maxine who are not attention grabbers… when Lexi left the writers didn’t want to put intelligent, reliable Abe with any other aged appropriate woman who didn’t look like him and their were plenty of women at the time… let’s addressed that. Cuz I am thinking, this man would have had another wife by now and truth be told she would not have looked like Maxine (not that they put him with her, wonder why?), please. If we’re going to… Read more »

Tim Welles
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Tim Welles

I agree with others – it’s the same old, same old now – the show has become rather mediocre with it’s old soap formula routine. I don’t care now if I watch it or miss it, it’s boring with Will and Sonny and without Paul and Derrick. Maybe people think I only relate to gay characters, that is not true. I love Abby and the storyline with Ben. But this old dregdged up crap with Patch and Bo, c’mon, it’s over it’s been done.

Tim Welles
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Tim Welles

I’m sorry I “meant” to say it’s boring to me with Will and Sonny being off the canvas and with nothing evidently being planned for Paul and the elusive Derrick, who wanted a shot with Paul but the writers never even pursued that. Instead, we have Caroline wearing the Red living room drapes having these stupid visions, and actors who should be discussing Medicare not discussing their love lives. How many MORE times can John and Marlena disagree and make up again – It’s OLD news – and Patch and Kayla, c’mon they should be discussing hip replacements.

Patrick
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Patrick

DAYS featured with sublime energy!

sex scenes with two consenting adults

and had enough flashbacks to trigger stimuli

woah! LOL

I loved Will (s) and Sonny’ and Paul and Derrick scenes

HOT

Mary
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Mary

@ Maddie

“Gay characters are a niche market, and they do NOT have to be front-and-center all the time”

What planet are you living on here! Just how long have you been watching DOOL, Young and Restless etc anyway? If you HAD BEEN PAYING ATTENTION you would know that Gay characters have ALMOST NEVER been front-and-center all the time. If you look at the history of gay characters on soaps you’ll get the idea.

DJ
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DJ

It was obvious from the beginning of DAYS’ gay exodus, that it was motivated by far more than driving story. During the entire successful runs of both Will Horton’s coming out story and the Will-Sonny-Paul triangle, there was always that very vocal and belligerent minority popping up on every fan page – spewing the same hatred and venom over and over, usually cloaked in the same 2 or 3 misquoted/misinterpreted Bible verses. It seems that this “50th Anniversary Celebration” was merely an excuse to cowtow to that minority, and decimate all the gay storylines and characters in the worst ways… Read more »

4ever DAYS
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4ever DAYS

It was not a garbage bag!

lulu
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lulu

Oh big deal, it was a large duffel bag. Will was still treated like garbage. I know you hate anyone to dare make a harsh comment about your “beloved” show but you are really ridiculous.

maddiehayes
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maddiehayes

couldn’t reply to your comment further down, so I’ll do it here. It sure seems like most of the WilSon fans are new to the show and tuned in only to see WilSon. And PaulSon. And now that they’re gone, they want DAYS canceled! Because they couldn’t care less about the rich history of the show (a history that included a lot more than gay characters! I’m more miffed they didn’t bring back Marie Cheetham or Bill, Laura or Susan, any of the characters that were on from the very beginning! Sorry, but they were FAR more important and integral… Read more »

DJ
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DJ

Actually Maddie Hayes, I’ve been watching since the late 70’s. So have many of my coworkers. The Will storyline just sparked a renewed interest in the show that had been lacking since we all “came of age”. As for who is more integral? That’s dicey at best. Will Horton is related to the Hortons, the Bradys and Kate Roberts by blood, the Hernandez family thru the birth of Arianna, and the Kiriakis family by marriage. Sonny is related to the Kiriakis and Johnson families by blood, and also cousins to JJ and Abigail. You can’t get much more intergral than… Read more »

lulu
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lulu

Bravo DJ!

4ever DAYS
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4ever DAYS

What’s ridiculous is your hate for DAYS and the pass you and many others give Y&R for the clearly RIDICULOUS HATE it’s been snowing for years!

4ever DAYS
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4ever DAYS

*showing

Mark
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Mark

Well obviously the ratings disagree and people are watching…so blah! ;-P

lulu
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lulu

@ 4everdays, no dear what is ridiculous is you.I did complain about Y&R when they did that horrid joke of a storyline so how is that giving that boring show a pass? Right now, we’re discussing DOOL.I know you absolutely hate anyone putting down this soap, and for some reason it offends you when anyone discusses the systematic eradication of all the gay characters on this show.

4ever DAYS
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4ever DAYS

No, lulu, we’re discussing what the subject is in Michael’s story…The lack of LGBT representation on all the Soaps. What offends me is people calling for DAYS to be canceled while eating up Y&R. DAYS was fine without LGBT and it was fine with LGBT and is once again fine without LGBT. If you want to push an agenda, then call for LGBT representation at Y&R. It is the number one soap which means it has a larger audience to help. Plus, if the ratings begin to fall, they can quickly wrap the storyline up like they did with the… Read more »

Patrick
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Patrick

@4 you scared me… for a bit… till I read this post “…DAYS was fine without LGBT and it was fine with LGBT and is once again fine without LGBT ” Ok… I go of kilt… I readily admit that… there’s so much passion going on… and will go on i think it was you that posted… this story line… with Will … had a beginning a middle (lots of shared livelihood) and an ending that ( I hope ) DAYS production lost in value… LOL I shared my life… I was raised by my grandparents ( moreso my grandma)…… Read more »

Kaylie15
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Kaylie15

Yes, indeed. Soaps have always had a large GLBT presence behind the scenes, and Days is no different. I understand the economic fear of quitting your job, but going out there and helping promote a show that has turned so homophobic is inexcusable whether you are gay or an ally. The hypocrisy is mind-blowing. And yes, Grifflely’s writing is terrible. Just awful. What they did to Will and the Wilson family was the worst by far because it was political, but their new characters are terrible, what they did to Haiden fans and Daniel Cosgrove was totally dishonorable and Higley’s… Read more »

Patrick
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Patrick

really nice post @Kaylie especially… here I go again… Kristian Alfonso.. plays to the hilt…. romance and familial. done! she needs a leading man that is equal and on par we all knew Peter Reckell was not hired for the duration. killing off of Daniel Cosgrove… just nailed the ruin of Grans Jewel… Hope… as hot as Galen Gerring is ? he is nowhere in the same arena as… Bo and Aiden… just saying… and I’d be lost without my Rafe’alicious Billy Flynn … like your words… “DAYS, without realizing….” has gold in this actor… like they did with Daniel… Read more »

M.M.
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M.M.

I do think the new writers consciously decided to be as nasty to the gay audience as they could but also fancy themselves daytime’s answer to George RR Martin without any of his talent and even he goes overboard with the killing and darkness. The are just pulling one cheap asinine stunt after another including the retconning of Aiden. There are tons of new characters arriving that will suck and nobody is excited for sleepy Rafe to be with Hope. Will’s death was the worst thing but the whole show is cheap, mean and depressing. I think Corday must want… Read more »

K. K.
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K. K.

Yes! DJ. You are right on all points. Prime time shows that have gay storylines are enjoying great ratings and streaming shows that do are drawing thousands of subscribers to their services. Yet, Days decided to exterminate Will and destroy the Wilson family until with gleeful malice – you could feel the hatred that the writers and director had for Will and Sonny in every single moment. They chose to pander to an outmoded demographic and destroyed themselves in the process. I even heard Greg Meng responded by calling the backlash “heartwarming” – showing just how tone deaf and completely… Read more »

Richard
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Richard

Wow this thread is interesting and holds merit. I can wait to see how this plays out. On and off screen. I believe Kate mansion is leaving as well and and the new teens are horrid. Nothing like the shawn/belle/chloe/Phillips days of yore. Something is fishy in the water at days but the truth will come out soon enough.

Kaylie15
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Kaylie15

I have a friend in the industry who didn’t even know Days was still on when I told him about Will’s death, but he knows about Youthful Daze because everyone is thinking that the streaming model is the future for the soap opera/serial drama genre and wants in on the action. Most online serials have an integrated gay storyline because there’s still a dearth of positive – i.e. not dead – gay characters in mainstream media and glbtq and ally audiences are loyal and will promote the show via social media. With its long history and loyal fanbase, Days could… Read more »

Mary
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Mary

@DJ

Dena Higley is not the only person responsible for this destruction of the gay story line and the brutal death of Will. It could not have happened without Ken Corday’s permission and consent.

Peter
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Peter

I agreed with everything you said… they treated the gays on the show as trash…and therefore their gay audience as well..

Mateo
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Mateo

In the industry there is conversation about how women are not paid enough or considered for roles enough. The African American population complain that their actors and actresses are not considered for roles because of a hidden bias or prejudice. Latins are not represented very well either. Then we have the Asian community who always painted with the same strokes when written about in any show story line. Then we come to the LGBTQ community. We are always used as a stunt. A ratings grabber. A sweeps audience grabber. Let’s have a transgender character on B&B cause it’s “cool” and… Read more »

maddiehayes
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maddiehayes

Mateo, I couldn’t agree more. Will, Sonny & Paul were not really characters to me. They were iconic SYMBOLS. And every time they were on, it was a “teachable moment”. That wedding, with all the speeches about how historic it was .. gmab, would that happen at a REAL gay wedding? They’re not the first gay couple ever to get married, stop acting like they are. I do not like being preached to, I want to be entertained. GH brought in its gay characters with no preaching. They were just there, like everybody else. They didn’t hammer the audience over… Read more »

4ever DAYS
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4ever DAYS

I think your right, vmaddiehayes.

The Will and Sonny storyline brought in more viewers, but the preaching slowly drove longtime viewers away. Also, it didn’t help that many of the Wilson only fans were constantly stating that Will and Sonny were the only good thing about DAYS. That made the show focus more on Wilson while destroying several other characters.

The paranoid (afraid they would lose LGBT) fans talked too much smack against other aspects of DAYS in an attempt to hold on, but it backfired!

Bennyd
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Bennyd

You’re name is really Kim Davis, right? I think somebody needs to preach to you! Btw, Brad and Lucas are hardly ever on GH and I assume that’s the way you like the gays! You say just enough to not come across as homophobic but, anybody can see that you are clearly uncomfortable. Maybe you need to revert back to 50’s TV programming.

M M
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M M

I LOVED the sl and not because DOOL preached it to me and no I didn’t see them as “SYMBOLS’. I believe those who loved the sl would agree with that because they were very much character’s like any other, with problems, such as, marriages woes, parenting etc. stuff other characters had portrayed. I beg to differ, WilSon being front and center. That said, let’s face it, this is where I agree with you regarding Abe and Maxine with no story at all. IMO, they were and are not attention grabbers is the reason for this. It’s like whenever they… Read more »

maddiehayes
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maddiehayes

BennyD, 50s TV programming would be preferable to an “afterschool special” which is what DAYS became with its “hit you over the head with it” gay story. Only gays or liberals could love it. Oh, here comes another dayplayer “bigot” to make nasty comments and get shot down by good old Uncle Vic! It was SO predictable, I could see from the very beginning that Sonny & Will were going to have a storybook romance, neither would cheat, Will would never have sex with any other man but Sonny, they’d get married, somehow they’d get a baby, and have a… Read more »

Patrick
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Patrick

“…I think your right, vmaddiehayes.

The Will and Sonny storyline brought in more viewers, but the preaching slowly drove longtime viewers away ”

LOL… 2 consenting adults having sex… with many a flashback to relish did this

all the preaching fired was from what once was… the moral majority who’s values are not readily mined

SEX

Stephen
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Stephen

MaddieHayes said “Will, Sonny & Paul were not really characters to me. They were iconic SYMBOLS. And every time they were on, it was a ‘teachable moment'”. Not characters! Hah! You are being hilariously ridiculous! Will was one of the best and richest characters in television, and his drama was heartfelt and real and tumultuous. (The writing for Will did deteriorate and the end of Tomsell’s run, but overall – Will has been one of the richest characters out there on television!). As for “teachable moment” good grief, really? Well, I guess it is a good thing that people learn… Read more »

Mary
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Mary

@ Matteo DOOL is one step away from cancellation. So how do Ken Corday and other react? Instead of reaching out to a new demographic the producers decided to cater to the homophobic fans in middle America who have been watching the show for decades. After all, this old homophobic fan base has been completely loyal to the show; flooding NBC with phone calls, emails and letters. The loudest voices are those that are heard the most. And no group has been more vocal in their attacks against what they perceive as a “threat to the sanctity” of “traditional” Christian… Read more »

Scoma60
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Scoma60

It’s 2015. If soaps want to survive they need to modernize story lines while still hanging on to what made the soaps so great during their prime. Gay characters should be included. Tie them to a soap’s classic characters and give them romance and let them drive story just like anyone else. It is appalling that Lucas and Brad’s story takes place off screen and they disappear for weeks at a time. Felix is in a happy relationship yet we’ve not ever seen Donny once. It’s also ridiculous that after all these decades YR has never had a gay or… Read more »

Davinder
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Davinder

I think the greatest travesty here is that the fans are taking advantage on by the networks or the producers. When Days was hitting lows in their ratings, they used the gay storyline was re-booted to encourage progressive viewers amidst a progressing societal and political evolutions of gay marriage and equality. They highly publicize their marriage and coming storyline in a variety of platforms and media, billing themselves as the first daytime marriage, first daytime actor on contract to play a gay character. All in all in attempts to woo the equality crowd with positive messaging behind. They gained accolades… Read more »

M M
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M M

As always, Love your post and the ones on the FB forums … could not agree more. Cruelty I might add, by using this community and then pandered to those who are indifference as if Gay people don’t exist.. I wonder what would happen if they did that to other historical minorities would the same indifference applied, Hell NO. Didn’t this very thing happened a few years back on primetime TV when neither network produced a show with African American in them, trust to know it was a big to do… Bc this country didn’t stand for it and rightly… Read more »

Patrick
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Patrick

“…We are being raped and discriminated and the eerie silence behind this entire fiasco is slowly but surely draining us, silencing us and shutting us up ” the eerie silence ; must be the moral majority… (LOL) seems old skool and declasse’ and every bit a bite of aggrandizement… and just pissed off that TPTB of this fine production… would steer this show mindless with regard to; gay characters on the canvas; this was without doubt, a celebrated big part of the show that forayed in to the 21st century… and was reaching a new audience.. we certainly weren’t getting… Read more »

Paul N.
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Paul N.

I completely agree! I feel very used by this show, that I supported and told my friends – gay and straight – was special and willing to stand up to bullies and homophobic audiences – and to be fair happily court the lucrative glbt audience. Then, they turned cowardly and hateful. I’m embarrassed that I recommended the show, but I will say that the previous writers were not homophobic. They dared to try and give Will and Sonny and Paul a classic soap story – where Will was allowed to be less than perfect and he drove the action and… Read more »

adam
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adam

I say Joey and paul get together. What a hot pair they would be!

And Y&R missed out not having Kevin and Harding together. I would have tuned back in to Y&R if they had done that/

Darren
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Darren

Yes Adam I agree with you, Joey and Paul would be hot together. I might have to come to Days and romance Joey LOL. He is a cutie.

adam
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adam

No doubt! Sexy boy Joey is!

Patrick
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Patrick

Harding most definitely needs to be cast on DOOL. what a dreamboat if ever there was any

Joey and Paul would trigger…

I can’t wait for Vincent Irizzary to start!

the need a strong hot leading man to DiMera! I still say it should be Ted King

M.M.
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M.M.

It is such a shame the way Days turned on its gay and ally audience with such malice. The gay audience has always been so supportive, why Days would spit in their faces and embrace the Kim Davis audience which is dying off. Last Winter, the Will, Sonny, Paul triangle was the best thing going and they obliterated it to pander to a dying off demographic. It wasn’t just Will’s horrific death but the elimination of gay fatherhood – and Will’s onscreen love of his daughter was very special – that was truly offensive and awful. I feel bad for… Read more »

Kaylie15
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Kaylie15

One need only to look at the hateful, homophobic “fans” populating this thread with lies – the Wilson wedding represented a huge ratings high for the show and was named the third best moment in Days history by Yahoo!Television, to see who Days was pandering to with Will’s gruesome and hateful death. Other posters have pointed out how obvious and un-subtle the show was in their brutal elimination of Will and the Wilson family unit. We get it, and the cheering homophobes are exhibit A for why they did it. I have the utmost respect for Guy Wilson for raising… Read more »

maddiehayes
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maddiehayes

The Wilson wedding did not represent a “huge ratings high”. Look it up at Soap Opera Network, March 31-April 4. Monday 1.8, Tuesday 1.9, Wednesday 1.9, Thursday (the actual day of the wedding) 1.7, Friday 1.7. It did not “trend” on Twitter, either, despite a valiant attempt by Wilson fans. A wedding most fans were really excited about would definitely have trended and gotten big ratings.

K. K.
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K. K.

I’ve been upset about GLAAD’s silence on Will’s death and the outright destruction of the gay family. It’s pretty clear now that Days sent Guy Wilson, Freddie Smith and Christopher Sean to pick up a GLAAD award for best Daytime Show as they were planning to turn on the gay and ally audience in the most grotesque way possible. Now, there are rumors that Ben will be redeemed, when Will was apparently written into a corner and the audience wanted to see him die. That sad part is, I’m sure a good chunk of the gay-hating audience wanted Will’s death… Read more »

4ever DAYS
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4ever DAYS

Just because you say so, they should cancel the show? LOL!

They aren’t going to cancel a show that many have loved for, 10,20,30,40 and 50 years just because a storyline was dropped. They cancel shows with no improvement in ratings. DAYS has made significant gains in the ratings.

I’m ready for the next 50 years of DAYS!!!!!

M M
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M M

Agreed… Lulu & DJ.. What in hell does Y & the who cares have to do with the current discussion which is the killing of William Robert Horton, a legacy character who, yeah, happened to be a gay married father.. You might think you are clever by referring to an irrelevant topic but most if not all have caught on because the real deal is and I repeat the stupidity and hideous homophobic act DOOL committed by killing off Will. Scandalous on their part…

Bennyd
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Bennyd

Ken Corday, Greg Meny, Dena Higley, and Josh Griffiths have to be clueless or stupid. To think killing Will Horton was just a soap plot! Will Horton was a iconic gay double legacy character born on screen! His character was always integral to plot lines. For a show with so many BORING male characters, Eric, Brady, Rafe, Daniel, Ben, Justin, Lucas, John, and yes even Paul. They kill the most interesting male lead for a few days of drama – that was the only point for killing him. Which makes me think the only reason it was done was because… Read more »

maddiehayes
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maddiehayes

Okay Bennyd, if Chad and Abby’s wedding gets 1.7 or less, like Wilson’s did, we’ll talk.

M M
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M M

So the hell what… boy I guess since the country pried itself on prejudice and ignorance and in doing so therefore it is okay, not. And if we want to continue that logic what the hell we needed civil rights for.. bc I can think of the many minority that was thought upon in this fashion to be not seen is good enough as though individual doesn’t exist … thankfully those of us who continue to fight for equal treatment for ALL.

Robert Dorsett
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Robert Dorsett

Too bad you favor ratings over quality.

Patrick
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Patrick

@ M M

Yes!

“…thankfully those of us who continue to fight for equal treatment for ALL. ”

I don’t mind repeating myself…. to the fans of this show who helped support the LGBT and never saw anything more than humane treatment

my heart was full
my mind was captured
my soul was flying

with these three things still intact… w/body… will I carry on the fight for and support equality in its entirety

Timmm
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Timmm

I dont think so. The old guard who has watched soaps for 30-40 years, maybe from them because it wasnt EVER even spoke of let alone on TV but today’s soap fans understand whether they agree with gay relationships or not, gays are out, proud and excelling in all facets of life. It is more and more acceptable. Give me a good story, PERIOD! The rest doesnt matter to me.

su0000
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su0000

I agree, Timmm..
If the stories are good then the soap is good no matter the characters genders,.
As far as I recall Y&R has never had a gay couple, has it? if so it was fleeting..
Also, I noticed the soap gay couples have been male, not female.

Hard to believe some people still segregate people..

Timmm
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Timmm

Adam kissed Rafe on Y&R but he was in a world of trouble and Adam was only trying to get Rafe to keep quiet about his shenanigans and not looking to sleep with him or any other guy. Your right, I dont recall lesbianism on soaps yet. Maybe Abby will change that when her heart is broken once again!

sonniorsolita
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sonniorsolita

Timm, on AMC, Erica Kane’s daughter, Bianca, was in a front-burner story for her coming out as a lesbian and later even married her girlfriend. It was a huge deal. Y&R also flirted with a lesbian storyline years ago but it didn’t really go anywhere. Oh, and Adam and Rafe did more than kiss… they did the deed. It was a CRAZY storyline.

elm51
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elm51

amc had a lesbian wedding – bianca montgomery, the daughter of the infamous eric kane, was married in 2009 to reese williams………….

kiki
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kiki

Short answer? Yes, Will’s death was homophobic all around, as was Sonny’s exit. He abandoned his daughter and was making eyes at Paul while standing on Will’s grave – just to make extra sure we know what gays are really like. In a way, the new homophobic writers killed Sonny more than they killed Will with that message. The real Will would have fought back, the real Sonny would have wanted to know who killed Will and never would have walked out on his daughter. I can’t even believe with all this backlash, Glaad, NBC and the show have been… Read more »

Michael Smith
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Michael Smith

As a gay man that has watched Days for almost 39 years the Will and Sonny story line was the best gay story line on TV watching Will ( then Chandler come out on the air we felt his pain and saw him transition from a confused young man to a very confident gay man. And there in the back ground was his Gay friend Sonny K. (Freddie Smith not that matters anymore my nephew) Too those two grow as men and gay men particularly. and the Wedding which at the seem a bit forced but it was the most… Read more »

EricO
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EricO

Felix, Brad and Lucas were front and center on GH and I LOVE Felix. Then when Sabrina’s marriage to Patrick was stopped by Robin showing up, the gay characters just DISAPPEARED from #GH. Felix was one of the favorite characters based on GH message boards, but I think he suddenly disappeared from the screen for five or more months. At the same time, GH hinted at this big mystery with Lucas, Brad and Rosalie and then “poof”, the story was never mentioned again. VERY obvious that someone higher up either caved to the haters, or is a hater themselves and… Read more »

Angela
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Angela

I am a fans who has watched 31 yrs non stop. I changed my view of the gay story because of how well written and acted the coming out story was for Will Horton. I fell in love with Will and Sonny and loved watching them. From being friends to lovers to being fathers to being husbands. I loved both version Chandler and Guy. Each had their own spin and how Will was. I blame the writers and Corday and I am ashamed with how they ended this beautify story. I am not talking about the killing of Will. Which… Read more »

kiki
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kiki

Yes! People who defend Days and say well Serena and Paige died too forget that those two minor and not very popular non-legacy characters received more respect in the grieving and sensitivity in their deaths. Will, a born on screen legacy character that was beloved and important to a group that is targeted by hate, was treated with hatred and malice in every way. His family was treated with disgust and the message was clear: gay men are garbage and their families are not real.

Paul N.
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Paul N.

Yes. You’ve articulated the “special” treatment Will, Sonny and the Wilson family got at the end. It was contemptuous from start to finish, and they didn’t even try to hide it. Minor, unpopular characters like Serena and Paige were given more sensitivity and care and grief.

Will’s death? It was hatched by truly morally bankrupt people to tell gay people they are worthless and their families false.

Patrick
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Patrick

“…This show will never be the same to me. ” I really am glad that posts state as much… that ; EVEN ; with DAYS retooling , behind the scenes, and nu Writing TEAM… that fans of this show… are speaking out; about the ill sucker punch to the gut… the renewed interest is exactly what they wanted… all the gitzy glamour returns of supercoupledom… and the cleaning house of actors who stole the show.. but were not in the DAYS production value; (Eve, Aiden, Clyde, even Ben, Sonny and Paul) I jumped on the badwagon… blindly watched as my… Read more »

Patrick
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Patrick

Ken Corday stated in SOD…

that within 3 months… DAYS will be an entirely different and New show

not verbatim… but near

August 17, 2015 – November 18, 2015

I give you : “Like sands through the hourglass, so are the days of our lives.”

Kay
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Kay

I totally agree with you Angela. It was a sad ending to a beautiful life and also the story of Will & Sonny. So senseless and degrading IMO. For what purpose? Horror? Drama? Ratings? No it was because of hate on the side of the showrunners (Greg Meng & Ken Corday) and writers (Dena Higley and Josh Griffith).

Anne for The Gays
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Anne for The Gays

Yes agreed, Kay

Tony
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Tony

Days should be ashamed, particularly with openly gay executives and writers (Meng, Draughon, Quan) on the staff. This decision came from Corday and/or NBC/Sony. I don’t believe Josh Griffith would have initiated this story. And, well, Dena Higley, I think she was very comfortable getting rid of the gays! She’s a bible thumping Christian who quotes scripture and God on her twitter left and right. Shame, shame, shame. I think we’ll see a gay story on GH with Lucas but Carlivati’s gay themes were not enjoyable to watch. The Bell soaps are still embodied by those old school Hollywood norms… Read more »

Andy
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Andy

Sure made me stop watching DOOL after many years. Good riddance to that whole lot of hateful homophobes…….and that includes all the actors and actresses I used to admire and respect who are only showing their shiny faces and glorifying Days’ 50 anniversary. Shame on the whole lot of them: actors, writers, producers. If you can’t stand up for what’s right you should hang your head in shame. I have better things to do with my time. Remember, “love wins” not silence and hatred.

Paul N.
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Paul N.

Yes, yes, yes! Shame on the whole lot of them. They are not stupid, and they decided to try and save their own skins instead of doing what was right. Rich storytelling my ass. This show is now only about pure, unadulterated sexism and homophobia – and after the small ratings boost they have gotten from the publicity, I expect it will choke on its own puerile pandering.

Tim Welles
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Tim Welles

There is no question in my mind whatsoever that the “new writing team” at Days of Our Lives have shied away from any of the gay character storylines, which is what attracted me, a gay male and soap fan, to watch the show. Now, to be honest, without Sonny, Will, Derrick, and Paul battling it out and bringing the show into the 21st century and being very innovative, it’s the same old crap about Bo is back (who cares REALLY) and of course he has soap opera disease so he is dying. They have Patch trying to reach out to… Read more »

su0000
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su0000

I didn’t see the big deal about it. Some people stay in the past, no gays in tv, perhaps?? the Encyclopaedia Britannica have not been used in book form for a very long time. Many now gen have never held/seen an Encyclopaedia Britannica. Cassette players /Walkmans are near antiques.. Just saying; Growing Pains Knight Rider ALF 3’s Company Who’s the Boss? Full House Miami Vice The Love Boat Married… With Children MacGyver Designing Women Maud (all ^^^ via google) Well, the world has greatly changed.. there are common things beginning used daily that weren’t even imagined back then–iPhones, apps, tablets,… Read more »

Chaz
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Chaz

I have stopped watching Days and deleted it from my dvr series to record. I would not want to see the show canceled only because of the job losses it would create – on both sides of the camera. But, personally, I cannot support a show that has shown such disrespect for the LGBT community. Previous posters have superbly outlined the ways TPTB have decimated and shown disdain for the characters of Sonny, Paul and most certainly,Will. So, I will leave Days to the audience TPTB have pandered to and hope they enjoy their return trip to 1950. And, yes,… Read more »

su0000
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su0000

Thing is;
It is not the writers or the producers, it is the sponsors.
Without the sponsors there are no soaps.
I would bet– the Sponsors do not want the gay’s on their shows believing they will lose buyers of their products if they highlight gays..

Writers can not bring in a gay character on their own, it has to be OKed by the network and mostly the Sponsors..
They most likely killed off Will, not the writers..

Kaylie15
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Kaylie15

Actually, NBC sponsored Spirit Day with GLAAD and when marriage equality hit – corporate america fell over themselves to court the glbt market. It’s a big one – bigger than the bigots – but somewhere, somehow somebody at Days decided it wasn’t big enough and the old viewers from the 80s – the ones who constantly harassed Days and NBC about daring to show to people the same sex in love and worhty of love – won the day. It was foolish, because despite the loud and ugly hatred days decided to pander to – the future is one of… Read more »

4ever DAYS
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4ever DAYS

So, Chaz, you’d rather have gays be considered non existent? I’ve always heard it’s better to try & fail than to not try at all. DAYS did more than try. They ran with it and eventually ran out of steam. They played hard and used their characters in dramatic ways, which is why I choose to view it as not a failure. The ending is what alot of people didn’t like, but at least their was a beginning and middle brimming with story. The sad excuse of a so-called LGBT storyline that was quickly ended at Y&R should not be… Read more »

Patrick
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Patrick

@Chaz… “…Previous posters have superbly outlined the ways TPTB have decimated and shown disdain for the characters of Sonny, Paul and most certainly,Will. So, I will leave Days to the audience TPTB have pandered to… ” thank you… as well, for eloquently stating with… (how I share… relate… and care…) about the demise of lives obliterated… just gone… poof… that quickly when a new headwriting team and producers take over this is the only site I follow daytime on… and Yes… I realized from the start the core audience mindset I wholly appreciate all poster(s) who rallied together … and… Read more »

Mary SF
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Mary SF

There was a time when daytime dramas were progressive and cutting edge because back in the 70’s and 80’s the shows were not being micromanaged by focus groups and corporate suits who don’t have a creative bone in their body. However today daytime dramas are less about being cutting edge in their storytelling but more about just maintaining the status quo as long as possible, and as cheaply as possible. The fact that at one time Days was willing to make an established character linked to the history of the show gay and put that character out there front and… Read more »

Matthew Place
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Matthew Place

Well said, MarySF. I always appreciate your posts and we rarely disagree. I feel the new regime has tossed a lot of story potential out without looking far enough ahead. Tons of newbies will not carry the show when the actors returning for the 50th are long gone. I feel keeping Will and Paige would have been smart because they both offered lots of story ideas: Paige being half-sibling to Rafe and Gabi was interesting WHEN she was alive. Not so much now. DH and JG better bring something buzzworthy — if not, if Days is renewed, it will prob… Read more »

Mike
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Mike

Is Days afraid of gay characters? Well, in the course of three months, Sonny was written out of the show in an out of character way by abandoning the child he vowed to raise with Will, only to come back and DO IT AGAIN! Will was brutally murdered in a story that harkened back to the not too distant past when gay characters typically met their demise violently and with little resistance on their part – because, you know, they must be weak. Derek simply disappeared with no explanation. And Paul is now essentially a recurring character that has been… Read more »

Patrick
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Patrick

Jason Brooks return would quiet alot of this all up

Patrick
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Patrick

“…No, lulu, we’re discussing what the subject is in Michael’s story…The lack of LGBT representation on all the Soaps ” this is from @4

when the networks… lose their cajones… and have not the balls… to use their imagination and lose their writing skill… and go back… to the DAYS of ole’

and we become lackadaisical with; that we are celebrating the same things again and again…. it’s in your face careless and lazy

to not reach…. for people of color and LGBT

why are we not… celebrating, with all walks of life

Eric Henwood-Greer
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Eric Henwood-Greer

This has been an issue with the soaps for a while. Oddly, ever since ratings started declining in the late 90s, soaps have reacted by getting MORE conservative with stories. It’s never worked, but soaps are slow to learn (witness the carousel hiring of constant headwriters.) Casts increasingly are less diverse, stories dealing with social issues like abortion are increasingly frowned upon, etc. There are exceptions, but they are often scape goated (Frank Valentini shamelessly said that he got rid of “Kish” on One Life to Live because ratings were falling–never mind that they were falling partly because Carlivati surrounded… Read more »

Alan
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Alan

The Dorian story aside, OLTL was on a roll during the Kish story. It was when Kish was dumped and the focus was shifted to the Ford brothers that the show suffered.

Paul N.
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Paul N.

It makes me very happy to see that so many people, gay and straight, see what Days did to its gay storyline and gay family and recognize the message that they sent on purpose with Will’s death. I am not a Y&R watcher, but if they don’t want to show gay people or gay stories, that’s their business. At least they didn’t promote themselves as allies and take awards from GLAAD, only to turn viciously on the gay audience. Has there ever been any show that has done that? I just think everyone involved with the writing, directing and promoting… Read more »

Nate
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Nate

Boy, nasty back-and-forth there between commenters! Here is a reminder: The question of this article is “Have Daytime Dramas Become More Afraid Of Having Gay Characters on the Canvas?” It’s a toss up isn’t it. Let’s look at the facts: Y&R has had less than a handful of gay stories, both handled embarrassingly terrible. The Powers That Be seems to not be interested in showing any GLBT stories, as each writing team have stayed away from any. I don;t think CBS or Sony has an issue, as B&B has been groundbreaking with their GLB”T” story, but that Soap has not… Read more »

Kaylie15
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Kaylie15

Someone wise once said that if you act in a paranoid fear of making something happen, you will always make that thing happen. By running away from the gay story, I think Days destroyed itself. It’s well known that NBC is desperate to get its GLAAD rating up and has been for several years and spent money to be a major underwriter of Spirit Day this week. Meanwhile, Will’s death aired on the very anniversary of Matthew Shepherd’s death, which is a day of remembrance for those glbt people who died violently. By mucking with NBC’s sponsorship, they cost the… Read more »

Kaylie15
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Kaylie15

Ack! I meant Spirit Day, this year. The past four years, Days has tweeted a picture of the cast in purple for Spirit Day, but this year they aired Will’s gruesome strangulation multiple times.

Nate
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Nate

Well said.

PABWECG
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PABWECG

I loved the gay storylines on ATWT (Luke, Reid, Noah, Brian) – and Luke Snyder is my all-time favorite soap character. I also loved the Kyle/Oliver (Nick) story on OLTL. Unfortunately, both shows are off the air. I grew up on GH, and was very glad to see the Brad/Lucas/Felix triangle appear. Even though I hated seeing Felix back-burnered when the triangle became a couple, I enjoyed what they were doing with Brad and Lucas for a while. As for DAYS, I stopped watching a year ago, after EJ died. I would have continued watching, but the writing for Ejami… Read more »

code85
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code85

We can’t always everything our way. In this case Days is doing in the ratings and viewership. I read a lot of these comments and I agree with some of it. Ever body is adults on here yes, why are some whining and complaining when a story on a show does not way , you think it should or the killing off characters , you shouldn’t die. You say negative things and with other defend there opinion , you only see barrow view of things. Its immature when get

code85
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code85

Days is up a whole lot from last year Ratings Nov 2-6, 2,721,000 (+63,000/+348,000) : up this much from last year

4ever DAYS
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4ever DAYS

Exactly!

M M
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M M

I will give you your own logic… Let see if that so called bump last… Common sense points to the many actors/ actress such as AS, PR and SN and some of the others returned For the 50 anniversary , so this is understandable. The question becomes, where will that bump be when AS, PR leaves. You know these two will not be staying , right? Seeing these two Had been favorites actors/actress for the show and to add I am sure it will be a tearjerker when Bo dies. Yes, Days is full of doom and gloom storylines to… Read more »

code85
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code85

Awesome days gain 85,000 for week Nov9-13

M M M
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M M M

again… how long will it last. what goes up much come down.

Matthew Place
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Matthew Place

Days is channeling the 1980s. Older fans love it. Nostalgia is great for older fans to remember the “good ole days”, but all shows need to move further, beyond the glory days of old to survive. That said, there’s little at Days for us younger viewers: I don’t remember Days in the ’80s and have no real feeling of nostalgia for the olden days of DOOL. I loved the WilSon SL. I have no reason to watch now. I’m may watch GH instead. JMO

Jimh(leave it to beaver)
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Jimh(leave it to beaver)

The channeling the 80s is only in celebration of the shows 50th and they will move on…nostalgia is something when at a reunion or celebrating an anniversary…you may not think that now but when you are older you too will have rememberance of ‘the good pld days’..if you ever go to a class reunion or an anniversary you will find people talking about the past….there are younger viewers who do like to know the history of the show…i always have when i start watching a show…i liked the Will/Sonny story and it might not be the end…let days have their… Read more »

Matthew Place
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Matthew Place

Days could have included nostalgia for the 50th and still kept storylines that interest younger viewers, but they chose not to. Days adding a bunch of sorased newbies won’t really help young viewers get involved and interested. By the time Days “moves on”, lots of younger viewers will have moved on too. Days could have done both, celebrate the 50th by bringing back favorites from years gone by while keeping younger characters that appealed to younger viewers. If GH revives their gay characters soon, I’m going to move on to GH. I feel abandoned by Days and lots of other… Read more »

Jimh(leave it to beaver)
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Jimh(leave it to beaver)

Thanks for the reply…i do agree with you…Days already had some interesting young people to carry the show further…Paige, Will, Rory, Bev, and Sonny…i wouldve had Will survive the attempt on his life-he would briefly suffer amnesia then remember it was Ben who tried to kill him-he and Chad would work together to find Ben and Abby…when Chad and Abby are trapped in the cabin fire Will would be the hero and rescue him-then Sonny returns and reunites with Will-at Christmastime they would repeat their wedding vows and leave town together…if recasts was needed then both characters could return a… Read more »

maddiehayes
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maddiehayes

I would just like to add, I have nothing against the gay characters, in spite of those calling me names. I loved Will, and there are a lot of other characters I would rather have seen strangled than him. But Corday must have had reason to believe they lost a lot of viewers because of it. Probably, as Patrick said, the gay sex scenes. Instead of “going down with their ship”, as all the other soaps with prominent gay storylines that are now canceled have done, perhaps DAYS decided they’d rather stay on the air. I can understand backburning the… Read more »

Liz
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Liz

Judging from Christopher Sean’s interviews at Day of Days, the only thing planned for Paul in the next six months is helping John (yawn). Didn’t sound like any romantic pairings were on the horizon. Christopher tried to put a good spin on things, as he always so graciously does, but I’d bet they let him go in a few months at the end of his contract and then they’ll be happy to have cleansed away all the gay.

M M
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M M

I Am not buying that.. Those who didn’t want to watch gay men do what every other consenting adult have done since the dawning of soaps and that is have S E X killed the ratings for days … Are we forgetting the two attention grabbers who walked away last year Sammie and EJ? Remember them, they where huge for the show. And another thing, As I recall as long as these two were on (Ejami) we didn’t here about how low the rating due to WilSon, it was mostly due to bad writers and Corday had to get rid… Read more »

lulu
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lulu

@ 4ever, I never once said in all my comments that I wished for DOOL to be canceled. I just refuse to watch this show and taken it off my DVR. No one but the suits at NBC can do this.I wish DOOL luck and hope that leaked Sony email where executives stated plans to cancel the show after the 50th anniversary is untrue.

Matthew Place
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Matthew Place

Lulu, I also took DOOL off my DVR and refuse to watch. I also heard that the plan was to cancel DOOL after the 50th (we’ll see if it gets a renewal and for how long, a one-year renewal may well mean the last renewal for Dool, ever.) I don’t wish it canceled, either, but I won’t be watching if it’s canceled after the 50th or stays on the air for many more years.

penny
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penny

A Gay Telenovela soap would be hilarious!

su0000
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su0000

why would a Gay Telenovela be ”hilarious” ???
I would imagine it would be quite good drama as any other soap..

penny
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penny

You’re right it would, but for someone reason I was picturing a comedy Gay Telenovela soap opera.

Stephen
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Stephen

“Does anyone in the TV industry know or care that Days of Our Lives exterminated their iconic gay legacy character and pretty much abolished all things gay on the show, just in time to celebrate 50 years on the air?” It’s a great question! And I hope very much that journalists will properly investigate this issue, and find out what really happened behind the scenes! I hope that they will have the tenacity to pursue a real answer from the producers, the production team, the writers, the network, and the distributor. Michael, you ask us to “Weigh-in on why you… Read more »

Mary
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Mary

I don’t think we need Michael to do an investigative story on why Will was killed off. The answer is right before us. It’s called blatant homophobia. This decision was made by both Corday/Higley because they said that no one would forgive Will for what he had done. Yet Gabi who committed murder is redeemable. We all know Corday was a hold out over the years for a contemporary gay plot and that Days was seen as the most Christian soap. And anyone who follows social media and Days knows that there have been a vocal group of homophobes who… Read more »

Kaylie15
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Kaylie15

I do hope that one person associated with the show leaves and has the courage to speak out. Maybe an actor can’t do it, but maybe a writer or producer can basically say they were ordered to degrade Will in every way to send a message that the show was now safe for the worst, most bigoted “family values” and Corday thought this would save the show. I have said again, that I think it killed the show and tainted its legacy forever but we shall see. Maybe if Sony can figure out a way to remove Corday’s creative control,… Read more »

4ever DAYS
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4ever DAYS

I’m all for an investigation. Some people may be scared because the answer could be Sony. Sony distributes DAYS and Y&R. Y&R has dabbled with gay characters in the past which were quickly ended. LGBT groups put heat on Y&R for non progressing. DAYS made Y&R look bad in the LGBT arena, which could have made Sony pander to Y&R. NBC allowed the gay story on DAYS. ABC allowed the gay story on GH. CBS allowed the transgender story on B&B. GH and B&B are not distributed by Sony. B&B and Y&R are both CBS, so what is keeping Y&R… Read more »

Stephen
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Stephen

@ Mary Mary, back when Days decided to make Will gay, and introduce Sonny, and have a “gay storyline”, Days was *very* enthusiastic about it. Greg Meng, the executive producer said at the time that “This is something that we’ve been wanting to do for a long time”. He also said “We have two network executives, Bruce and Rebecca, who were very encouraging and supportive to do this story”, and “It was ran up the ladder to the top of NBC, and they said ‘You must do this story'”, and “We ran it up the ladder at Sony, our distributor,… Read more »

Kelly
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Kelly

Somehow I think NBC is planning to cancel DOOL unless the number of viewers go up substantially. I want to see Hope go after Stefano and Andre to avenge Bo’s death.

Trophy Lady
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Trophy Lady

No, I don’t think soaps are afraid of having gay characters. Not at all. If anything, gay characters are at the forefront of story lines. Gay characters are all over the place — now more than ever on soaps. Look at GH — They have Lucas, Brad, and Felix. They even implied a possible threesome happening between them. Never heard of that happening with heterosexual characters on daytime. Look at B&B — they have a complete transgender story line happening. Not only is the transgender story line happening, but it’s happening with a Forrester. So, just because Days killed off… Read more »

Robert Dorsett
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Robert Dorsett

To say that Days killed Will because Guy was in the role is just ridiculous! Guy did a wonderful job and was my favorite Will! What else that is ridiculous is that Guy had to put up with hateful fans with opinions like yours!

M M
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M M

Thank you Robert . Blaming him for the homophobic writing can not they see how ludicrous. Logic again, CM a great actor and won Emmy’s for the show and yet his talent did not save him his job, again, not his fault, duh, no more than GW fault who I loved as Will as well. At the end of the day, DOOL destroyed WRH and not the actors’ portrayals. So get it right…DAYs counted on homophobia and in fighting among the fans to justifying the horrific killing of this legacy character. And they made good on it when they destroyed… Read more »

Trophy Lady
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Trophy Lady

Well, I honestly don’t think the writers were being homophobic at all. The character got killed off — so be it. There are other gay characters on the show, so to say that he got killed because he was a gay character is simply ludicrous! Regardless, CM was still a better actor than his replacement. Once again, I’m always amazed at how fans are so “hurt” about gay characters on the canvas, but whenever anyone brings up the lack of racial diversity and lack of interracial romantic relationships on ANY of these soaps, the majority of fans want to act… Read more »

Anne for The Gays
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Anne for The Gays

No one is disputing that, you are.. This is about the killing of a legacy character who happened to be gay, married and a loving father . Again, this is about the above article and not, although, you have a valid point it isn’t about that topic. You can gappled with that anyway you see fit. By the way, I agree with you about interracial relationship seeing I am a produce of one but this is about the above article: erasing the Gays. Most of us who responded to this bc we can clearly see how Days catered to those… Read more »

Days50Fans
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Days50Fans

I don’t feel like “Days” did this because the characters are Gay & I don’t think that TPTB or the new Head Writers are Homophobic. I think all of this happened due to a series of circumstances NONE having to do with the characters being Gay. The previous Headwriters in my opinions were HACKS they ruined so many long time favorite characters by writing them out-of-character & so many of their storylines did NOT follow “Days” history & were BORING, too Slow, went No Where, & No One Care for all the Newbies, that were being shoved down our throats… Read more »

Michael
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Michael

Plain and simple- Days realized that Guy was indeed a terrible actor. They also so realized that nobody was going to be able to successfully replace Massey.

lulu
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lulu

I don’t think Guy was terrible.I think some never gave this young actor a chance and complained about him as soon as he took the role. If TPTB had wanted to replace Guy Wilson they could had sent Will to either to Los Angeles to be with his mother or had Sonny and he make up and he leave for Paris with both intending to return with a new actors playing both roles since the actor playing Sonny didn’t want to continue in the role.

M M M
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M M M

Thank you lulu, remember the first Ben who I adored was on the show for a hot minute ( seemed he was there less than two months ) and was gone just like that… Replaced with the new actor is the point I am making. And if GW was so bad as they think how come he was allowed to stay . And don’t give me that the show had invested to much in him bc clearly one actor produced three EMmy’s for the show and they tossed him aside and by the way that actor who won all those… Read more »

Robert Dorsett
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Robert Dorsett

Guy was a terrific actor! Chandler stans make it so hard for me to even like Chandler anymore but I do and I respect the fact that he doesn’t want to have anything to do with them. Lol, these fans think Chandler taught Robert Di Niro how to act.!

M M M
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M M M

Once again stupidity with these people blaming an actor when he had no power over what he was given to act and yet the thoughtlessness of others who clearly has been in an echo chamber listening to themselves have indeed talked themselves in to a box not the actor who I love as a fan. He is off doing important things like oh I don’t know running marathons to raise Money for HIV/aIDs and yet some are back with this broken record about him. DOOl fired CM not GW did you not get the memo on this if so why… Read more »

Paul N.
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Paul N.

Guy Wilson was wonderful as Will, and it saddens me that certain hateful people never were willing to see how much he grew into the role and how terrific he was at evoking Will’s insecurities and fears. More importantly, he had a great rapport with the Arianna babies, and you know what? I think that Will’s devotion to his daughter was what caused some people to hate him even more – even men of our own community. I’m a middle aged gay man and I can tell you that there are still some among my generation who hate themselves so… Read more »

M M M
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M M M

Paul, Thank you!!!!

kiki
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kiki

I’ve been fascinated to watch the cast tip toe around the homophobia issue because at least some of them are not stupid and know exactly what was done and why it was done, and I think they have all been told not to speak of or acknowledge the talk about it being homophobic. At Day of Days, even Deidre Hall seemed visibly nervous when it was brought up. They will probably be fired if they dare admit the truth, which of course makes them look either naive or like they are endorsing the homophobia. It puts them in a bad… Read more »

lulu
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lulu

It’s sad Kiki but I can understand why some of the veteran actors won’t speak out on the blatant homophobia of the Will storyline. I do understand though, to speak out and not give the standard company line would be a bad career. Sadly, for some this show is all some have in acting and even a young actor won’t dare speak out on the offensive storyline. I agree, no investigative reporting is needed, TPTB have sent a loud and clear message about who is welcomed on their show.Also, GLAAD is a joke, they remain silent because they benefit from… Read more »

M.M.
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M.M.

Oh great! The pouting Massey stans have arrived wanting us to forget that Massey phoned it in to an embarrassing degree his last weeks and nearly sank every scene he was in and has freely admitted it. Guy Wilson took a job and was treated to some of the ugliest harassment I have ever seen in soap fandom – even his family was targeted. He handled it with class and carried the show for months. He deserves so much credit. At their best, both Massey & Wilson made Will a wonderful, multi layered and vulnerable character. Which brings me to… Read more »

Stephen
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Stephen

“… and nearly sank every scene he was in and has freely admitted it”. I am genuinely curious of your source for this – as I would like to read it/ view it. I recently re-watched Chandler’s last three days, and I thought he was excellent. I thought that he played the devastation of finding out that the people he loved had offed his troublesome cousin with great authenticity. And I think these are some of the most moving scenes Chandler shot. His last scenes by the river break my heart, because Will is so ruined in them, with Sonny… Read more »

K. K.
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K. K.

This whole debate is framed wrong, as is the term homophobia. It’s been pointed out many times phobia means fear, and maybe people hate gays because they fear them deep down, but I didn’t see any fear of Will or Sonny or Paul’s sexuality once the new writers took over. I saw hatred and contempt for it. They aren’t fearful cowards, they are aggressive bigots and presumed the audience was. There’s a rumor that a Will and Sonny love scene was shot but cut out for not being appropriate for Days’ new audience, but Will’s death was shot for maximum… Read more »

lulu
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lulu

Oops, meant to write daughter’s father.

code85
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code85

On folks to all who are calling Dena and Josh homophobic writers. The hard facts : Dena and White sell created Sonny and Josh with Michael Malone created a gay character on one life to live in 1992( when it was really taboo for daytime soaps) So stop saying hateful things just because they kill off a character that was gay. I was upset that they kill him off not because he was gay, it was because he was a legacy Horton/ Brady character.Remember this is tv show and you got to move on . It gonna watch anymore ,… Read more »

Stephen
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Stephen

Whether the individuals in charge of Days are personally homophobic or not is irrelevant. Indeed, one of the exec producers themselves is said to be gay himself, which makes what has just gone down on Days all the more shocking! The thing is that Days, under their new writing regime, has abruptly turned into a show that is pandering to the gay-hating element of their potential audience, by treating its gay characters as less than other humans, and showing them as weak and pathetic people, stamping out any positive gay imagery, and having its main gay character murdered and not… Read more »

Paul N.
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Paul N.

I know this thread is a bit stale, but with incredible contrast between Bo’s heroic and tragic death – and no doubt the respectful funeral he will get where Hope sits in the front row – and Will’s horrific, lonely “punish the queer” death, I hope somebody associated with show or NBC cops to what was done and apologizes. The comparison is stark. We were to be sad when Bo died. We were to cheer when Will died or feel pain and hurt if we dared sympathize with a gay. We were supposed to be relieved when Will’s daughter is… Read more »

Kaylie15
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Kaylie15

I agree. Will’s death was written with the presumption that we hated him and were happy to see his daughter handed over to straights. It was done with maximum terror and degradation, and whatever sympathy were to have was for Sami and Lucas and even Ben, but they showed Will’s death over and over again in way that made you think we would be satisfied and happy. Truly disgusting and immoral. At this point, I don’t care if the show stays on the air or not, I just want the writers, producers, editors…anyone involved with the messaging, to be called… Read more »

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DAYS Alum Molly Burnett Promoted To Series Regular on ‘Queen of the South’

Wanna know where you can find Salem’s Melanie Layton, sorta?  You can watch her killing it on USA’s drama Queen of the South.  That”s where former Days of our Lives star, Molly Burnett has just been upped to series regular for the show’s upcoming fifth season.

According to Deadline who broke the news, Burnett will continue to play her complex and delicious role of Kelly Anne.

Soap fans Molly as Melanie on DAYS from 2008-2016 and when she stepped into play the role of Maxie Jones for Kirsten Storms on General Hospital in 2016.

Queen of the South is based on the bestselling book La Reina del Sur by Arturo Pérez-Reverte. It tells the story of Teresa Mendoza (Alice Braga), a woman who is forced to run from the Mexican cartel and seek refuge in America.

Burnett’s Kelly Anne is a frequent member of Teresa’s drug operation, has already killed her abusive husband, was an informant, and had a cocaine habit.  When viewers last saw Kelly Anne she was finding her sobriety and her way back into the Teresa’s operations in New Orleans.

Since exiting Days in 2014, Burnett has also been seen on  CSI: Cyber, Relationship Status and True Blood. 

So intrigued to watch Molly on Queen of the South? Comment below.

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Days of our Lives Returns To Production After Temporary Halt Amid COVID-19

UPDATED:  According to Deadline  the cast and crew of NBC’s Days of our Lives will actually be returning tomorrow, October 20th to begin taping ahead of schedule after a positive Covid-19 test shut production down originally scheduled for two weeks.

The outlet cited, “Following a thorough investigation including contact tracing, quarantines, testing, and a deep cleaning of the studio, the health and safety experts at Days of our Lives have determined that it was safe to return to production before the end of the two-week period. As a result, the show will be back on set tomorrow Oct 20.”

The word of the early return initially got out Monday, although at that time unconfirmed by the show, apparently, via a posting by Lauren Koslow on her Instagram account where she is pictured in a Kate Roberts outfit in her dressing room.

Koslow shared: “Stepping into Monday in alice + olivia black velvet,” She also tagged the post #dressingroomselfie and the words. “Stay strong.”

She also added a quote from poet Maya Angelou: “Love recognizes no barriers. It jumps hurdles, leaps fences, penetrates walls to arrive at its destination full of hope.”

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Kristian Alfonso Bids Farewell to DAYS as Final Episode Airs Today Sharing; “Thank YOU From The Bottom Of My Heart For Welcoming Me Into Your Homes All Of These Years”

Wednesday, October 14th, 2020 marks the final appearance of Kristian Alfonso’s iconic run as Hope Williams on NBC’s Days of our Lives, a role she played on and off for more than 37 years.  Make no mistake about it, Alfonso was a staple of Salem and the DAYS family since she made her debut back in 1983.

However, over the summer viewers learned she would not be returning to the show when the series began production again in September, after she was told they were planning on resting the character of Hope for five months or so.  A decision that prompted Kristian to make a decision to leave the show for good and start a new chapter in her life.

To celebrate her run and to say a thank you to everyone at the show and her enduring fans, Kristian posted a video on her Instagram account of some backstage moments through the years to the tune of “I’ve Had The Time Of My Life”.  She accompanied her post with these words of thanks to everyone that has been by her side every step of the way:  “Being today is my last airshow, I wanted to share some of my favorite memories onset & behind the scenes I hope you enjoy it.  Thank YOU from the bottom of my heart for welcoming me into your homes all of these years.  And making me a part of your lives #xoxo ❤️  Thank you Ken & @nbcuniversal @nbc for a #beautiful #ride . #❤️ #😘”

 

So, are you sad that Kristina will be gone for DAYS on-screen after today?  Share your thoughts om this, her final airdate, via the comment section below.

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