Ditto!

Pam, I agree.

does this mean RH can go back to playing Todd on GH?

I don’t realy understand this lawsuit. ABC is the one who cancelled OLTL to begin with so if another type of network picks up whre the show left OFF, what is this lawsuit all about? Did ABC have special contract for these 3 actors to remain their Character Names and hold them from working on ther soap scripts to other companies? That’s like telling them, your job is on hold and your our prisoners until OLTL. Find a network to employee and comeback where you all left off. In reality all OLTL actors were left in Lombo. ABC is the real big problem here.
# OLTL/Prospect Park go back and air your show, regain your confidence and don’t lose OLTL’s fans. Adjust the scripts to be more spice in them. Go For It !

I think both OLTL and AMC are good–let’s not follow in Michael Logan’s and ABC’s footsteps and pit one soap against the other. We should support the soap genre as a whole because we have witnessed the fact that, yes, the soaps could really go away.

Ditto.

I agree OLTL is the superior show. I have watched both shows faithfully since 1977 .I had come to love OLTL more years ago and that has continued to be true online. I will support both shows and watch AMC and hope that they resume OLTL ASAP!!!

The ratings suggest that most viewers feel AMC is the better soap.

I agree, we lost OLTL once could not stand to loose it again!! I even tweeted, email etc..Oprah to please keep #OLTL on her network…she did tell viewers you asked and I listened, so if she listened let Propect Park and ABC get over the tiff and move on so the viewers who pay for cable can watch what we want !! Keep OLTL!!!!

EXACTLY.People on here shouldn’t start pitting one against the other.This from the start has been abc’s doing.Both shows deserve a LIFE to LIVE.

No, they shouldn’t be pitted against each other, but that’s what ABC did and now that’s what PP is doing by not bringing both back. If they don’t then ABC will have already won. IMO OLTL was always the better show, but ABC promoted AMC more and now so is PP by needlessly dropping OLTL. There is noting in the lawsuit that I can see which precludes PP from starting production of OLTL with AMC.

Winning a lawsuit will not bring Todd and the others back to life on GH. So what’s really to gain by suing? They need to out write GH and have them come back like Mitch Lawrence did so many times.

I was very upset PP ended OLTL with yet another cliffhanger. What if it doesn’t come back? The fans are left hanging yet again. We still don’t know what happened. AMC wrapped things up much better, like we know what JR did. OLTL wrapped up nothing.

Also, to me it seems clear PP spent more time on AMC, it had better scripts and better opening and closing and music. But OLTL fans should be used to this, OLTL was always the lesser sibling of the other two on ABC too. ;-0

agreed!

They should bring back Brody and Jessica.

I think after this stunt, Michael E Knight will be reluctant to come back unless he has nothing better to do.

I couldn’t agree more that the writing is the thing that hurt the show the most. Overall, it was terrible!

Tony, I think you’re on the mark there.

I so disagree with you, Tony. I thought the writing was tight, character driven and interesting. The writing was enhanced by fabulous performances by the veteran cast. If I had one quibble it was there was Dani-Mathew over saturation but the writers heard viewers’ complaints on that score and corrected it.

Recast all the important characters-Starr, John, and Todd and resurrect Hope and her father. I didn’t see any dead bodies when they died. Todd and Victor came back from the dead.

But you’re missing the point entirely. AMC, for the last couple of years lost viewers in droves. Why? Because of the over reliance on Erica and the Fusion gang, including that boring Ken doll called Ryan. AMC is doing well not in spite of Erica not being there, but because she is not there. I watched AMC since I was about ten–it was the first soap I ever watched (not that that is something to brag about). But Erica, Kendall and Grennlee were like vortexes–they sucked the oxygen and creativity out of the room. I am not alone in feeling this way.

Agree!

I agree, too.

I agree with you entirely, Glenn.

I could see the argument that their plans for a relaunch were harmed by not getting back characters who were important in the finale (leaving them unable to tie stories from the finale up the way they planned to), but let’s be real. Cole and Starr had moved away from Llanview in the finale so they were easily ignored. The got Todd back for the near-full extent of their first storytelling run, and thus only Tea’s baby and McBain were at issue. I agree McBain was a huge issue and could definitely have harmed them…BUT the shows debuted a while ago and enough time has gone by. This specific thing can’t be laid at the feet of ABC. AMC has thrived without Erica Kane and without Tad Martin and with a lot less access to veterans than OLTL had. The fact that OLTL had a slower build to it’s storytelling and, outside of the Tale of Two Todds, was not terribly interesting in its first couple months is the real reason it was not doing as well as AMC. It wasn’t that they didn’t have specific characters (not being able to get Erica or Tad back on AMC had to have been a HUGE hurdle to clear for AMC, but they did it) it was that the show was not that good until very recently…too much focus on the nightclub, too much darkness–even fun characters weren’t fun anymore, everyone was brooding and characters like Roxy, who often lifted the mood of the show were non-existant. I think OLTL got it together at the end and deserves a second season. I think the new writers will be boffo, but this isn’t ABC’s fault, not this time anyway. And I think OLTL was definitely written for a 4 day a week schedule, which is what they thought they had when they wrote and shot it. Cliffhangers and major turning points were clearly plotted out every four episodes and thus we only got one major turning point every two weeks and one week in between of talky exposition often the “last” show of one week and the first show of the next–it works when the show is on every day, it does not work when you only get one hour a week. But PP made the decision to only air a 4 day a week show twice a week and in one sitting, which made a show like OLTL, which was more deliberately plotted, less compelling. That’s on OLTL and PP. Specifically, there is nothing in the current lawsuit (other than the fact that PP might have been/still be counting on a settlement of a few million dollars to finance OLTL) that would prevent a second OLTL season. They can recast Starr, Todd, and John at any point if they want or simply continue without them (like AMC is doing). PP simply doesn’t have the money and it seems declasse at this point to blame ABC who may have been the villain once,… Read more »

You mean the lawsuit that PP started themselves. I’m sorry three actors dont make a show. Just look at the transition AMC made from the Final ABC show to the reboot. This is all about the writing. You can not blame GH for all the other character Storylines being awful.

If PP really wanted to undo what happend on GH all they had to do was WRITE IT. If anything I was digging more of OLTL on GH than that awful first week online. Which at the end of the day was the writing. To say the demise is because of GH is like blaming Jessica for not being around either. If AMC can survive with Tad and Erica, then OLTL can survive without 3 characters.

They had some serious heavy hitter actors and they did nothing with them. The shows got great towards the end, but I think it was already to late.

But I also feel AMC had much more hands on approach with an EP thats been around for awhile, vs OLTL which had a completely new team. I sometimes wish Agnes Nixon was as hands on with OLTL as she is with AMC. I feel she always takes care of that show, and leaves OLTL in the hands of others. I’m just saying.

Don’t worry–I truly believe that there is no way that OLTL will not be back. Don’t give up!

Gentry,
It is a damn shame. Starting from the destruction of our beloved OLTL characters on GH to the never ending ups and downs of PP. I too was SO hoping for our beloved JOLIE. THEY WERE AND ARE AWESOME. MISS THEM SO MUCH AND FEELING SO MUCH DISAPPOINTMENT!

Bad point, Travis. Many long time and loyal AMC fans turned away from AMC because of the over reliance on Erica, not to mention the Fusion Girls and the insipid Ryan Lavery. AMC soldiering on without the aforementioned four is one of the reasons AMC is doing so well on Prospect. That, and them bringing back the utterly brilliant and funny Billy Clyde.

Couldn’t have said it better myself. Any writer with a sense of self respect would be embarrass to even suggest that their talents were solely limited to writing for only three specific actors.

The best part is the writer’s on BOTH shows were fired! They were supposed to come back this season with new writers on both shoes!

Yep, when you whine until (possibly) the end of the show’s life about not being able to write for John McBain or Starr Manning, but manage to eff up the return of greats like Hilary B. Smith and Robert Woods (did they do ANY acting this year in their own stories or just recite lines and react) and not write compelling drama for plenty of other great characters, then it is not the fault of not getting the actors you wanted or the chance to tell the story you wanted. Actors quit, die, go into rehab, or get fired from soaps all the time, sometimes more than one at the same time. Soaps have been rolling with that for years. The fact that they claim (which I don’t believe) that they couldn’t write a good show that got AMC’s numbers because they couldn’t write for three characters is an insult to their writers and just a chance to blame someone. AMC lost Erica, Jack, Kendall (the loss of Kendall but not Zach is very similar to the loss of McBain but not Natalie), and Tad, as well as not as popular but still very popular Ryan, Greenlee, Amanda, Jake, and Krystal, as well as popular newcomers like Brot. And yet they took what they had and made a better show. They took risks like jumping ahead 5 years that OLTL was not willing to make and they asked the audience to trust them. They told edgy stories that were genuinely edgy (like Cassandra’s human trafficking) and not just full of curse words and they balanced out the different age groups and stories very, very well. They added romance and moments of happiness here and there, in addition to the drama, while everyone on OLTL suffered all the time. Agreed that PP needs to move past the kneejerk reaction to blame ABC for everything and fix their own ship.

Im in no way saying ABC is right or wrong. But its time for PP to start owning up to their own mistakes. I mean ABC had nothing to do with the writers and EP they hired for OLTL. And I agree with you that its an insult to say OLTL couldnt carry on with John Mcbain or Starr. Thats such BS. AMC doesnt have Tad or Erica, yet there relatives are still going strong. Dixie has been back driving story without Tad. So its time for PP to start taking care of the show they have and the people on the Canvas.

The irony is that is PP keeps going on and on about those 3 actors, but not addressing the fact that they own the characters and could have made an executive decision to recast the roles. Bree passed as well on this project, but they arent going crazy over the Jessica character not being there, which is very interesting.

AMEN!!!

Ditto that!

Lisa, I totally agree with you. The reboot was not the same. They should have at least watch the history of the show before writing and producing it. The second episode was not that good. Victor was back and everyone act as if he was on vacation instead of coming back from the dead. No significant action at all. Vicky didn’t even acknowledge him and that is not the Vicky I watched and loved for 35 years. Too much focused on the young adults. Then they cut the episodes. Nevertheless, I continued to watch it until the very end.

Agree with you Lisa. They should have picked the show up EXACTLY where it left off-from the very last ABC episode. That was such a good show that day-it would have been great to go from there. And I agree with you on the recasts. I understand that everyone could not/would not come back but recasts need to be eased into the show so we can get used to them. Everytime I tried to watch online I just couldn’t figure out who was who & I did not like all the club scenes & music. I LOVED the original Destiny & her parents & never took to the new Destiny or Matthew either. ABC lost a great thing.

Honestly, I really enjoyed RH/ME/KA on OLTL, but I don’t think they are all that important to GH. Yes, all three have major storylines right now, but I didn’t miss them when they were on the forced hiatus (due to the lawsuit) and I’m not digging their new characters at all. Also, GH has a huge, talented cast and these actors aren’t necessary. More isn’t always better.

i have watched both shows since the early 70’s & i truly love both show – oltl is the better show & that is just my opinion……….i missed star, todd & john but i feel oltl was just fine without them

“So they could keep going, as they were doing, without these 3 actors – and continue the legal battle in the meantime, but are choosing to hold everything while they legal battle goes on?”

Yep. It’s because they appear to have been counting on ABC to settle the ridiculous $25M lawsuit and use that money to finance OLTL. And it appears they are still hoping for that.

Agree Tania. I think the online OLTL should have picked up exactly where the original left off on ABC. The show was absolutely on fire when it ended & it just seemed like dying embers when it started back. I could not get into it at all. Miss the real OLTL & everyone who was on there. I look at my cast picture that is framed in my bedroom every day & miss THAT OLTL.

I agree. So much of AMC (when on ABC) was about Erica Kane, often to the detriment of other stellar actresses (Julia Barr, Cady McClain, Debbi Morgan, Kathleen Noone, etc.). For example, as much as I liked Kim Zimmer (Reva, GL), the show was simply brilliant after she left in 1989 and other actresses had a chance to shine: Maeve Kinkead, Maureen Garrett, Beverlee McKinsey, Amelia Marshall, Ellen Parker, etc.

I prefer the balance TOLN’s AMC has: it’s an ensemble once again.

How did you pay money? That network is free.

I really think AMC is better. Alot of the main characters didn’t come back and still they have good story lines for both younger and older generations. The audience is there. I do hope they bring it back though. There’s alot of fans out there.

Logo thats a hot ass mess of a channel they killed of the one show that made the channel Noahs Arc and didnt care what fans had to say the only thing they have is Ru Paul saving them as for ABC and PP Oltl is a dying horse its not pulling in viewers and ithas nothing to do with actors cause AMC is doing big numbers on line and on air PP is saying its abc and the case but its really they dont want to waste anymore money they dont have on a show that is not bringing in cash or views PP is starting to make cash back after the on air deal they made with Oprahs Own network

You can’t really lump Oprah in with that crew just because she didn’t want to spend her OWN money on them herself

All the cash is going to AMC the numbers online and on the air are great i think AMC is here to stsy Oltl is on life support

I haven’t watched those two in years, but I really think you are on to something. Those two would fit right in

I liked Todd with Blair but its still up to the actor if he wants to return to OLTL full time.

The writing is so much better than OLTL but they dont have the acting ability the cast of OLTL does.

“spot on”.

even as a newbie… that was easy to see.

I hope it’s not too late for ALL the OLTL ‘lifers.

He’s on Prospect Parks payroll, so he isn’t going to say anything against them.

OWN isnt ready to create daytime shows they just started pulling in great numbers cause of its shows The Haves and Have Not (2 million a week) and other ndw shows so now they have room to add the soaps but they will keep showing them as long as they and PP agree to broadcast terms

Oltl stories didnt move on its like a endless loop Vickie vs Dorian Bo and Nora Bo vs Clint then Todd came back all soft all the kids are mindless i loved it in the last 2 years at ABC but the reboot has been a bit lame buti love J-wow she needs more air time and could be a new bad girl on there

I could have written your entire comment. I feel exactly the same way. If we can’t get back what we had to begin with let’s just let it go.

I disagree about the sets, I think the sets on both OLTL and AMC are kind of limited and tacky and very “settish” looking. The writing really needs work – how many scenes at “Shelter” can we have on One Life to Live? It’s monotonous after a short while – but I do agree with some of what you say. Maybe the show will still come back – I watch both AMC and One Life but both shows need some writing overhauls.

I also don’t think the whole truth has been told. ALL of this is odd: Within two weeks of the premier, the number of episodes for each show is cut from four to two. Then, both shows halt production for a few months so the writers allegedly can catch up. Then, when the stated date for production to resume arrives, suddenly we are informed that we are going to see the “finale” of the first “season” of each with NO stated date for a second season. (I still don’t understand the “finale” business. These shows were continuing serials).

I am sure that there are the “cheerleading” people who immediately are going to respond that “we must support the shows regardless!!!” I was willing to give all of this a shot but I feel like we have received nothing but months and months of changes in production, episodes, scheduling and it is ridiculous. Yes, it is a new business model for these shows but I do NOT think that Prospect Park has been upfront about its decisions and these changes. If the company “bit off more than it can chew” about all of this, it should state that and not continually make changes that don’t make any sense and offer vague comments like this about OLTL being “shelved for now.”

My patience is worn out by PP’s inability to simply state exactly what it is doing!!! If OLTL is being canned, PP should JUST SAY IT!!!! The fans, the actors, the writers, and everyone involved should have a clearer idea of what the heck is going on.

Frankly, I’m over PP and how they have handled this. Obviously, there were unexpected bumps in the road to the whole endeavor but PP has done a POOR JOB of keeping everyone informed. I feel like PP simply has strung everyone along

Exactly. I understand they can’t produce, but why can’t the writers be.. writing??? The last time PP claimed the reason they cut our season’s short by FIFTY episodes is because the writers didn’t have a enuff time.. so now they have plenty of time if the show is only ‘temporarily’ being shelved.

What does a lawsuit have to do with the production of the show, no matter how it turns out.. Hope/Cole are still dead or can be brought back. Are they trying to force GH to fire the 3 OLTL actors, and are waiting to see if they will so then they can write for them?

Let the church say Amen!!

I don’t mind the “More” show but it’s kind of unnecessary. If we follow the show we don’t really need a commentary on it, it just feels like “filler” because frankly that’s what it is. For years on abc-tv, I found I couldn’t keep up with both shows, each being an hour long every day (with my work schedule it’s hard). But I’ve been able to keep up with AMC and One Life On-line even though the new on line inceptions have not been that enthralling – so, I’m kind of bummed to see this happening. Why don’t they just combine the best of AMC and OLTL and make it into ONE show – Landview and Pine Valley are supposed to be near each other anyway. I think they should have done this to begine with since prospect park seems to have nothing but problems from the get go.
Does anyone else out there feel that AMC and OLTL should be combined?