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DAYS Judi Evans Talks Adrienne’s Breast Cancer, Her Leading Men & Taking On Social Issues On The Soaps

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In recent heartbreaking scenes, soap vet and Daytime Emmy winner, Judi Evans (Adrienne) has gotten the opportunity to shine, and there is much more to come for viewers of NBC’s Days of our Lives.  And let’s face it; if you are going to hand the ball to one of your cast mates, it’s stalwart Evans, who can bring the depth, the sorrow, and rooting factor to the audience at home.

As the story goes, Adrienne recently learned she has breast cancer.  It all came about in dramatic fashion as she was about to marry the man she loves, Lucas Horton (Bryan Dattilo).  But, wait!  Is he the man she loves?  Enter Adrienne’s ex, Justin Kiriakis (Wally Kurth), who comes to the realization almost too late that he wants another chance on love with her.  What’s a girl to do?   Unfortunately, fate intervened as Adrienne, in the midst of having to choose which man to be by her side, became seriously ill, and now is in for the battle of her life.

On-Air On-Soaps caught up with Judi to talk about the importance of the breast cancer storyline, but also how she has managed to throughout her daytime career, inspire and touch so many people with some of the most difficult story themes to tell from: rape to weight, and others in-between.

Find out below what Judi had to say about her soap opera leading men, what she is most concerned with in the telling of Adrienne’s breast cancer storyline, and what she hopes DAYS fans will take away from Adrienne’s journey, and much more.

When DAYS first brought to light that Adrienne carried the same gene as her mother for breast cancer, it took a long time until the series got this story to a place to tell it.  Did you know they were 100% going to tell this story in its totality back then?

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JUDI:   It was a while back.  I think they were thinking about it, and I was very excited.  I started doing a lot of research, just in case.  I was so excited, because it is a great story to tell, and it’s a story that can’t be told enough.

But there was this length of time where it was simmering, and then they finally told it, which is great to see you have a major storyline!

JUDI:   I wasn’t sure if they were going to go into the story or not, but the writing is so good.  What I love about the writing on the show under Dena Higley and Ryan Quan is that there is no rush.  It’s not, “let’s just tell this story.”  There is a build to it and a history there.  I thank them for laying the seeds of it and then letting it blossom beyond this.  I think it is great storytelling.  I prefer that I not know what’s coming up for my character, then it’s a surprise to me.  I get excited as I would as a viewer when I get the scripts.  It’s just a matter of trusting in the writing and allowing it to grow.

You performed a very emotionally raw scene where Kayla (Mary Beth Evans) tells Adrienne she has breast cancer after she returns from the church, and it’s in front of a room of family and loved ones.  How did you feel when you left the set that day after filming that pivotal moment?

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JUDI:  The only thing I thought when I walked away from the scene is, “I just hope I did the women who go through this justice.”  You never know.  I have never been through something like this personally myself.  I have had friends who have had breast cancer, my mom had cancer, but I don’t know what it is personally like.  So the only thing I can hope when I walk away is that I hope that I, and the show, and the writing, did the women justice.

Adrienne is so strong for everyone else, and always taking care of them.  Now with her health crisis everyone is saying to her, “Let us take care of you for a change.”  What did you think of that acknowledgement in the writing?

JUDI:  I loved that.  She is the mother hen.  Adrienne loves to take everyone.  I love that her first reaction was to run, because she is so used to taking care of everyone else, and now it’s “Oh, no!”  We all have our moments where we are not at our best, and we don’t make the best choices.  I love flawed characters.  Adrienne is a good girl, who always tries to the right thing, not that this is a flawed thing, but maybe it was not the best choice in that moment.  She was just going to run and ignore it, and hideaway and stick her head in the sand.  Even though it was only for a moment, I love that the writers gave her that opportunity, and it was human.

Adrienne missed her last mammogram check-up.  Did she miss it because she knew she had cancer?

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JUDI:  There might have been that at a subconscious level, but she also had been very busy with everything that was going on.  She is thinking “It’s fine … if I just ignore it. See …I am fine … now I don’t feel so fine.”   It’s an inner subconscious struggle that we all have.  And plus, at times our lives get busy, and we forget the important things we are supposed to do, even if it’s a matter of life and death.  Personally, I am a month over due for my breast exam.  I know I need to go, but sometimes you get busy, but you’ve got to stop and make time for that.  I think that is a good lesson for me and the character to learn, because I think it’s something everybody goes through at some point.

This story looks to be “slow burn” and will take time to tell.  Since DAYS tapes six months ahead, you know how a chunk of this will play-out, since you have already shot it.  What can you say about what’s to come?

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JUDI:  I feel it’s told very well, and from a very real standpoint.  It is not reality; it is a daytime drama, so as real is certainly possible.  I hope women who have gone through breast cancer will feel that it’s treated with the respect it needs to have.  I feel that way, and I hope the audience joins me on that.

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Adrienne did not look well when she was in the room at the church with Lucas and Justin, following her wedding going south.  This was while she was trying to decide which man to be with!  In fact, she looked quite sick, and no one noticed even at first!

JUDI:  No!  Your body not being well will do that to you.

What did you think how it was written for Justin to bust into the wedding to try and stop it, and then profess his love for Adrienne?

JUDI:  It’s a classic moment.  I loved it.  It’s supposed to be a drama, and what better drama than you are about to marry the man you love, and your ex husband, who you will always love, shows up at the nuptials.  And … who doesn’t want to be fought over by two men.  I mean, really!

When Adrienne was in the hospital after she collapsed, she was talking with Marlena (Deidre Hall).   She admitted to Marlena she couldn’t really make a choice between the two men in her life.  Is that true … that she could not make a choice?

JUDI:  Yes, and no.  She made her choice, and even though she is sure in that choice, all of this came on, and it’s the farthest thing from her mind now.  Now, she doesn’t know, and there is so much going on that takes precedent that she is not wanting to make the choice she made, because she can’t even deal with it right now.  All she is thinking is dealing with the cancer, and getting better.

I thought she chose Lucas while in the hospital?

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JUDI:  She never said the word, but I think Judi thinks that’s the way Adrienne was leaning, but again she can’t do this right now.  She is still torn.  There is a part of her that will always love her ex-husband and trying to deal with that.  Sure, she still has feelings for Justin.  She had the chance to tell Justin that, and she didn’t.  The choice is there, but there is a part of her that is not 100%.

Could it be that she refused to make a definitive choice, because she doesn’t think she will be alive, or that no one would want her now?

JUDI:  I don’t think Adrienne thinks like that.  She is OK to be on her own, but she does love both of them.  She has to figure out whom she loves, and who she is in love with.  There is still a lot of grey for her around: ‘Who am I in love with?’

But does she feel as a woman if she had a double mastectomy, that Justin or Lucas wouldn’t love her?

JUDI:  What if she does have to have that?   From the research I have done that is a huge, huge, thing for women who are going to have a mastectomy, or had them, and that is: “Will my loved one want me like they did before?   There is now a part of me that isn’t there, and I don’t look the same.”  Adrienne would think, “I know they love me for me, but that’s still part of me.”

If she were to have to have a double mastectomy, would her choice long term really come down to: ‘Which guy would handle this better?’

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JUDI:  That’s a really good question.  I think there is that element of, “Would anyone be able to handle it?”  I am excited about the twists and turns, and the journey that they all go through, and the people that are connected to them as well throughout this story.

Stephen Nichols, as Patch, sheds those tears so movingly in scenes.  He did again when he learns his sister has cancer, and they share some moments together.  What was it like to have that sibling touchstone during this story beat?

JUDI:  There was a long time there that Patch and Adrienne did not share any scenes together.  I love that Dena and Ryan did not forget about our relationships, and friendships on the show.

DAYS has been missing that emotional heart-tugging story, and the breast cancer storyline is an issue of the times we live, and is relevant to women who watch the show.  Will we be crying for Adrienne on this journey?

JUDI:  I hope you will cry.  I hope it’s entertaining for the fans, and as actors, we want to touch people’s hearts and souls.  As an actor, there is no greater joy then knowing what you did affected someone whether they laughed, cried, or got mad.

You have now played three memorable characters on daytime soaps.  On Guiding Light, would you say that Beth’s rape was the most important storyline you told?  You have told several social issue storylines throughout your career on TV.

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JUDI:  There were so many social issues on Guiding Light.  As for Beth, she was raped and then there was a period of time when she was blind, as well.  It was a family-oriented and relationship-based show and so was Another World, and so is Days of our Lives.  I don’t know if it was the most important story, but I got a lot of letters from people who had gone through that, or were going through it while at Guiding Light.   They would tell me that watching someone go through that helped them.  Again, what greater joy to know you could touch someone, or help someone through your performances.

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What would you say was Another World’s Paulina’s biggest peril?

JUDI:  Loving Jake, and not loving Jake.  For her, it was more about relationship issues than social issues.  While at AW, I did play a weight storyline, and it was something I have obviously going through, too.

Looking back, what do you think about the decision to allow the producers to tell this sensitive weight storyline, which was so personal to you?

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JUDI:  It’s funny, because one of the producers came up to me, and it was after I had my baby.  I gained 100 pounds when I was pregnant with my son.  The producers came up to me and were hedging around, and they said, ‘Well, we are, um, thinking about, um, doing a weight storyline.”   And I answered, “Thank, God, because I am certainly not a size 2 anymore.  It’s my battle, and my struggle, and I would love to be able to play that on TV as well.  Why not?  That would be awesome!”  Well, they were so relieved.  A lot of people go through that, and I have struggled with weight my whole life, whether its 5lbs, or 50 lbs, or 100 lbs.  I am glad they were able to tell it.  I was more than willing to play it.  I’m the first one to call myself out on anything.  It’s a struggle I had since I was 12-years-old and a lot of people reacted to that story as well.  And no matter how many times a person tells you they love you for your insides, I would go, “Yeah, but, what about the outside? “  It does matter, and all the psychological things that we put ourselves through because of it.  It was nice to be able to play that.  I certainly felt it helped some viewers from their response to how we told the story.

Lets talks about your leading men:  Wally Kurth!  What can you say about him?

JUDI:  I love Wally.  He is such a doll.  We have been working together almost 30 years.

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What about those dimples?  Was that first thing you noticed about him when you met Wally?

JUDI:   If anyone got mad at him, all he needs to do is smile!  He can get away with murder with those dimples, and that grin.  When I first met him, I saw that second.  I first saw his eyes.  I’m a smile person.  So it was his eyes, that smile, and then I noticed those dimples and went, “Oh, look at those cute dimples!”  We are good friends too, and it’s good to be friends when you are working together, because you always don’t have great days.  Partnerships, and friendships are great to help you through your ups and downs, and in return help them with their ups and downs.  We have built a strong friendship over the years.

Now, what happened when DAYS initially told you you would be paired romantically on-screen with Bryan Dattilo?

JUDI:  Oh, my God.  I had a crush on him since I met him at a charity softball game in the 90’s.  I have known Bryan from working on the show, although we never had worked together.  I adore him, and his humor, and he has lived life.  Getting to know him better and having the opportunity to work with him has been a huge joy for me.  It certainly added so much to me, personally.  We found out we had a lot of things in common.  He is hilarious!

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Speaking of leading men, have you ever spoken with your former AW leading man, Tom Eplin (Ex-Jake) again?

JUDI:  No.  I heard of a couple of people who have run into him, but I have not seen hide nor hair of him.

What was it like working with Tom in those very dynamic scenes between Paulina and Jake on AW?

JUDI:   We were certainly good friends, too.  You could not be asleep on the job when working with Tom.  You had to be on your toes the entire time, and that is thrilling.  He was an amazing partner to work with, too.  I can say throughout my daytime career, I have been very lucky, and very fortunate.

On Guiding Light, you had two leading men: Grant Aleksander (Ex-Phillip) and Vincent Irizarry (Ex-Lujack and Nick, now Deimos, DAYS).   So now, what’s it like being with Vincent so many years later at Days of our Lives?

JUDI:   Well, it’s funny.  Vincent and I don’t cross paths on-screen.  However, off-screen it has been so lovely to reconnect with him.  He is a sweetheart, as well.  Vincent is so funny, and so bright, and so well-read.  He loves history, and when you sit down to talk to Vincent he is a very interesting man.

Is there a scene coming up in the next six months that you were most proud of your work in?

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JUDI:  I don’t think I ever walk away thinking “that was great”, because I always think I could have done better.   I will say; there were several scenes with Wally, and Bryan, and Lauren Koslow (Kate), that in every scene I worked with them in I was very proud of their work.  I can’t say that about my own, unfortunately.  I am always afraid I am the weak link.

When anyone thinks of your body of work in daytime, it can definitely be said that you bring such an emotional heart to everything you do.  When we watch your work, you are so present and emotionally available in scenes in all the characters you play.  I think that is what makes you so special in this medium.

JUDI:   Thank you, Michael.  You are the sweetest.  Happy holidays to you, and all the fans of Days of our Lives!

So, what have you thought of Adrienne’s breast cancer storyline thus far? Whom do you hope she ends up with … Lucas or Justin?  Of the social issues Judi Evans has potrayed on the soaps, which has moved you the most?  Share your thoughts in the comment section below.

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Claudio
Claudio

Wow, great interview Michael Fairman. I am enjoying Days right now,. Judi Evans is a wonderful actress. The acting so far has been terrific,. Kate Roberts supporting Adrienne really touched me. Great storyline so far. Where on earth is Caroline Brady? Is Peggy McKay ok?

Tay
Tay

I was wondering same thing about Peggy! I love the Kate/Adrienne stuff and hope they continue to put those two together

Jamie
Jamie

LOVE Judi’s responses to these questions, which are equally well phrased!
I thought as I read them, “I was wondering that, too!” So I thank you for that!
I can’t wait to see and go on this journey with Adrienne and co; I’m pulling for her! She’s one of my fave characters and Judi one of my fave actresses on Days! She BRINGS IT to every heart-tucking, gut-wrenching, wanna-jump-through-the-screen-to-hug-her scene! Keep up the great work, Judi! XO

4ever DAYS
4ever DAYS

Judi Evans has always been a favorite of mine. She continually gives top-notch performances and I hope Adrienne survives her cancer! I would like for her character Bonnie to return someday, but not by sacrificing Adrienne. Why not a dual role? Judi is certainly capable! Excellent interview, Mr. Fairman!

P.S. I’m old school…Justin and Adrienne!! Maybe Lucas can have Bonnie!

Patrick
Patrick

Should Ryan Quan and Dena Higley… continue to want…. to feature an excellent actor… who’s been lone.. for so long… and a LONG TIME favorite with the audience… that’s

Bryan Datillo…. Mr. Lucas

i’m with you… on old school… it’s going to be Justin and Adrienne.

HOWEVER: @DAYS please…. bring back the sexy uber talented hottie

Jade Harlow: Sheryl Connors

their was so much sizzle ; even I couldn’t stand it

HOT

CZ
CZ

Yes! When Adrienne inevitably chooses Justin, Sheryl would be a wonderful choice for Lucas.

Llanviewer717
Llanviewer717

This is an important story. I hope Days does not relegate it to the back burner like they do some many of the stories they start to tell. TPTB have a real problem balancing all the stories and characters. I am very impressed with the performances of Judi Evans, Bryan Dattilo and Wally Kurth.

Patrick
Patrick

God… Judi Evans can make you cry

she has such a rich history… with us

Guiding Light
Another World
Days of OUR Lives

extraordinary

just LOVE , LOve, LoVE her

haven’t even read the article yet

per @Llanviewer717

“I am very impressed with the performances of Judi Evans, Bryan Dattilo and Wally Kurth. ”

when the writing goes south…. reason I love the casts… @DAYS is no slouch in the actors department.

Celia
Celia

I love Judy, Patrick…..one of the best. Her newfound friendship with Kate, something which I never thought would happen, is heartwarming.
I have seen scenes of her days as Paulina on ANOTHER WORLD. And, I do remember watching some episodes while AW was still airing. This show was actually my grandmother’s favorite soap.
Judy never ceases to amaze me.

Celia
Celia

I apologize for misspelling “Judi”.
As we all know, the subject od breast cancer is not only, personal, but also, devastating. Thus, I must applaud the writers for giving Adrienne dignity, and for navigating through her traumatic experience with kid gloves, respectfully, delicately and mindful of the viewer’s feelings. Very comforting.

angela
angela

I love judi acting, she is so real in the parts that she play, she should have a ammie, she is a true start.

Adam
Adam

Loving the scenes with Judi and Wally, and Judi and Stephen and Mary Beth! Amazing work!! It’s about time to bring Justin and Adrienne to the front burner again!

nancy dillingham
nancy dillingham

Yes! And I so love them all interacting again.

damien
damien

adrienne and justin are a days supercouple!
they still have it 30 years later!
when you watch adrienne u never think shes acting!.. so natural, and real
you never fast forward her scenes
cant wait to see how this story unfolds….

Iakovos
Iakovos

THIS is why I love daytime drama. DAYS, make the most of this opportunity, please.

Scott (ATWT Fan)
Scott (ATWT Fan)

I am aware of Judi Evans’ long-standing daytime career, and while I was never sold on her nor Adrienne on Days of Our Lives, this storyline and how she’s been acting on the material has really opened my eyes a bit more. She really is doing a fantastic job and the storyline timeline for Adrienne’s cancer has been greatly paced. I am hoping this is not a story that is flubbed or taken in a different direction, because it’s working so well right now. Plus, I do love seeing Adrienne and Kate (Lauren Koslow) kind of develop this newfound friendship and connection!

Tay
Tay

Well, normally I root for Justin/Adrienne & old school. But I like Lucas having a relationship. I think he is long due & he and Sami aren’t going to happen anytime soon.

Sarah
Sarah

She did such a great job with Adrienne’s rape storyline back in the day, she’s had many important storylines but that one was tough and she was so good. Judi could never be the weakest link as she says, she is one of the very best actresses on the show! As for who she should choose, Adrienne always belongs with Justin!

Mary SF
Mary SF

I loved her on AW– I thought that weight story was well done– when she was pep up on diet pills and hit poor Kirkland with her car on the day Jake and Vicky were to be married– she did outstanding work displaying the guilt and grief her character inflicted–she has always been one of daytime better criers– Although I am usually in favor of original couples staying together– in this case I think Adrienne is better off without Justin– a lot of married couples divorce later in life– and it works out better for them– it is a realistic story and sometimes you can only break a couple and reunite them so many times before it becomes silly– I think Justin and Adrienne’s time has past– and beside it is time Lucas got the girl.

Lynn McNeill
Lynn McNeill

Judi Evans is doing a wonderful job. When “Adrienne” found out she had breast cancer; I myself found out the next day that I have breast cancer. I do not know her personally but she has been helping my try and cope with my own breast cancer. I think it is great that “Adrienne” has “Kate” helping her through this. As most of my support group are in denial. I am also still in denial. Doing as “Adrienne”, keeping busy and not wanting to really face it, yet. I think Adrienne should stay with Lucas. He’s already been through what she is going through and will be more of a support for her than Justin would ever be. j/s

Kelly
Kelly

Judith will NEVER be the weak link in any scene. She is a fantastic actress!! Her storyline is very well written especially when Kate outlines and advises her about the things she will be going through with her chemo etc. Being in the medical field myself, the writers have obviously researched this scenario because they are spot on with the details!!
Great interview as always Michael!! You too work hard at researching the people you interview, that’s why the questions are always so good!!!

Patrick
Patrick

I can’t call this

Adrienne with Justin
Adrienne with Lucas

three of DAYS most talented actors to grace our screens… and they are together

how much better can this be ?

argh! for old school… my heart knows full well… how much it should be Justin

just for the sheer delight of watching another sold good actor… it’s my Man Lucas.
PLUS Adrienne and Lucas are as close as any other newbie couple.

I think Lucas should cut his hair shorter… at the wedding… his longer hair.. made him look more boyish…. nevertheless… Bryan Datillo as Lucas is always funny, stoic, senses when he should step up. and that’s a huge payoff. hard to do. talent, yeah

DAYS knows it should mine their cast. this is as good as it gets

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You have been able to make #Cin, the hottest duo on daytime by taking a now reformed serial killer, Ben Weston (Rob Scott Wilson) and pairing him with the daughter of one of DAYS all-time supercouples, Bo and Hope in Ciara Brady (Victoria Konefal).  Were you ever  concerned as to how this story/romance would play to the audience at home, because in reality no parent would ever just stand by and let their child get involved with a man who strangled and killed women, previously? 

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Ron:  When we knew we were sending Ben to prison, then obviously father and son have to cross path. It just added another element, so it wasn’t just going to be Ben and Will (Chandler Massey) talking to each other, and making a shawl together like Martha Stewart. (Laughs). Ben’s relationship with Clyde was interesting to me.  As horrible as Clyde was and is – there does seem to be some sort of love that he has for Ben.

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Ron:  We were talking about bringing Jack (Matthew Ashford) back right around that same time we had the Will story.  We couldn’t bring two people back from the dead at the same time, and that’s why Jack’s return kind of got put on the back-burner, so we could do the ‘Will is alive’ story arc.  Look, the audience will go with you, especially if they want somebody back desperately.  They will overlook how did it happen, and how could they be alive.  They will accept almost any explanation, but I think you’re right, if you do it too much, you tend to water down the permanence of death … especially deaths that you saw on-camera.

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Viewers know you love doppelgänger storylines.  And, in the time jump you brought back none other than Hattie Adams (Deidre Hall).  Why the decision to bring Hattie back at this time?  I know Deidre loves playing her.

Ron:  I think Deidre likes playing something different than Marlena, because she played Marlena for many, many years, and she knows her like the back of her hand.  Hattie is an escape and something fun, and the chance to do and say outrageous things that Marlena would never do.  So, we bring her back whenever we can to have fun with, and again, it seemed to work because  she was in prison, and we set Eve in prison when we started the time jump off, and we’re like, “Who’s Eve (Kassie DePaiva) going to be talking to?” and we’re like, “Oh, well of course.  It has to be Hattie.” (Laughs)

When do you first see the fruits of your labor?  Do you see a feed from the set as the show is taping? Do you receive episodes where you see how what was written has come to life? 

Ron:  In prior shows, One Life to Live and on GH, I saw it when it aired. At One Life, I was in the studio, so I often saw production shooting scenes.  Here, they send me the completed shows once it has been completely edited, the music has been put into it, and it’s all ready to roll, and they email me the link to 5 or 6 shows.  So, I could in theory watch a couple of weeks ahead of the audience, but I tend to (unless I’m so, so curious about how a certain thing turned out) watch it when it’s on TV.

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The “Lani (Sal Stowers) and Kristen (Stacy Haiduk) joining a convent” storyline is at a critical point in story.  How did you come up with the decision to put Lani, and of all people, Kristen together and about to take their vows as nuns, and kind of becoming bff’s?

Ron:  I mean, you can’t imagine sort of two more unlikely friends as Kristen and Lani.  We grew to really love the relationship that developed between the two of them.  I think we sat down and said about the time jump, “There have to be enough big changes that you do the double-take.”  Like, Will is Ben’s cell mate, Adrienne is dead, and Justin and Kayla are together now.  You had to have enough of those WTF moments to justify passing a year of time.

You have also been writing series for the DOOL app.  What did you think of Chad and Abby in Paris with that being the initial one and how it all came to pass?

Ron:   It was fun.  I had no time.  I was writing six episodes a week of DAYS, and I was asked “By the way, can you write two seasons of a web/app show for us?” (Laughs) Greg Meng (Co-executive producer, Days of our Lives) has really been the mastermind behind this app and developing this app into something.  I love all of the stuff you guys came up with for all the behind the scenes content, but I know that Greg really wanted original series content on it, too.  Chad (Billy Flynn) and Abigail (Kate Mansi) just seemed like the logical couple to do that with.  You wanted somebody tied to Salem that wasn’t currently on the campus, but you know the audience cares about what their up to, and Chad and Abby just seemed perfect.  The process was totally different because I’m used to writing six outlines a week that are 15 pages long, and all of the sudden, I’m like, “She comes in, this happens, and this happens.” .  That’s like a whole episode of an app series right there.  Corday Productions produced it while they were producing the regular show, and they made a special set into Chad and Abigail’s apartment, which I thought looked incredible.

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Chad & Abby in Paris had a bit of a different look and feel then the regular airshows, which I think made it enticing.

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Ron:  I loved the look of it.  I felt it was just a little bit different than Salem.  We had the establishing shots of the Eiffel Tower and all of that stuff, and look, we had to keep it simple, but we added in Austin (Austin Peck).  We had Tony (Thaao Penghlis) come in season 2.  We had the new characters of Juliette (Rachele Schank) and Sylvie (Shawna Della-Ricca).  So, it was fun, and it weirdly just timed out so perfectly because we did 8, took like a week off, did another 8, and that last episode was posted right when Jennifer fell.

Right, so it timed perfect to get Chad & Abby back on the airshows.

Ron:  It timed out perfectly so that we could have Abigail get a call: “Something has happened to my mother.  We have to go back to Salem.”  So, you last saw Chad and Abby in Paris, and then the following week they were back in Salem.

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Now, with the kind of massive move for DAYS with the time jump, you have to figure out: “Who are the casualties?  Who am I going to lose?” Viewers learned in short order that: Adrienne (Judi Evans) isn’t alive, Haley (Thia Megia) isn’t alive, and Jordan (Chrishell Stause) isn’t alive.  What went into the decision-making process to kill those characters?  I’m assuming it was to further the story of others on the canvas.

Ron:  Yes.  Anytime we kill somebody, it breaks my heart every time, because these are like my babies.  You fall in love with these characters, and you care about them a lot, and you care about the people who play them.  So, it’s a big decision to say, “Let’s kill them.”  It may be a great story, like, “I’m going to get this amazing story if I kill X,” but that’s a person and a job, and it’s not something we ever do lightly.  That said, in a year of passage of time, you know that life and death is going to happen, and to us, it felt like to really signify the passage of time, there had to be at least one or two people who are no longer alive, and then show how that affects our story.

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Did you ever think that instead of 1 year that you’d do a bigger jump?  Like, “What if I did 5 years?”  Because it’s interesting, I was reading some comments on social media from fans who are like, “What year is it?  Is it just 1 year?  Why didn’t they do 5?” (Laughs)

Ron:  5 seemed like a lot.  I think people change physically a lot in 5 years. I wasn’t prepared to cast little children as teenagers… that would be a lot. (Laughs)  I think you run the risk of it being almost too disorienting for the audience.  Also, then it would be me having to figure out what happened over 5 years instead of just 1. (Laughs)  So, 1 year just kind of seemed perfect, and it had to be an even year so that even though it’s a crazy coincidence that Jennifer woke up 1 year to the day she fell into the coma, you needed Thanksgiving to still be Thanksgiving, and Christmas to still fall on Christmas, and that kind of thing.  So, it had to be an even year.  I think it worked out great and I hope the audience continues to go on the journey with us, because there is a lot more to come!

So, have you been enjoying the DAYS time jump thus far? Which storyline has piqued your interest most? Let us know via the comment section below.

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