suOOOO had to reply here:YOUR WRONG!!! Ava will not loose the baby…Nina plans to kidnap the child and pass him or her off as her own…even if Ava’s already been preggers for several months Nina WILL work it out and pass off the child as hers and Silas’s!!!

Kiki is Nina’s…lol

Sorry ..
You are all wrong..
Ava will lose the baby, it will not be born, thanks to Nina..
Nina will drug ava as her mother drugged her and therefore she will lose the baby..
Kiki is not Nina’s baby … that will not be ..

anything concerning Nina’s baby, will have to do with Madalin, Nina’s mother who most likely will have the now 23yr old boy/girl ..

@SuOOOO

say it isn’t so…. I’d cry tears of a river and then

if Ava lost her “child”

thanks for the drama tho

it does entice

there will be a way for these two women of magnitude to persevere

and get their own… and dalliance forward

to steer Kiki .. god knows why… but… it’ll help Nina big time
and Ava… will render humane motherly… and I’ll cry a river

and it’ll be a standstill of magnitude proportions

Nina : Ava : Skye : I wish the latter

ALL combustion

Hmmm; I don’t know about that Jimh. You don’t think Nina’s maternal instincts will kick in? Hard to believe since we have seen a softer side of her when talking about babies. Then again, she’s nuts, so she’s hard to read since her moods change with the wind. And, I suppose there are many mothers who feel no love for their child…stone cold . We will see if Nina is indeed a sociopath.

Many, many posters on multiple other message boards are right there with you. The Nina show is getting massive complaints. Of course that won’t lead to changes because of the contract that was signed, but it isn’t doing much for the ratings at least if the third week in August (loss of 99,000 viewers in one week) is any indication. As a former GH fan I have all but stopped watching over the last few weeks and am much more interested in my first soap interest, DOOL. MUCH better writing, pacing, romantic elements, story interconnections, the whole ball of wax is just superior to the outlandish cartoon that now plays on ABC at 2pm.

I agree Maura West makes this show. She is the female Trevor St. John. Amazing actors. I have just started watching GH because all my soaps are off the air. Whereas I love the writing and twist and turns( best writing in daytime of all soaps) I have to say GH has too many murderers. Sonny really needs to serve some time in jail for once. Let him play his part from inside a jail cell. Also, there is no stable ,sane, port in the storm,anchor family. GH should add a family like this just to add some balance. I ‘m really starting to get weary from all the crooks,cheaters,murderers, whores, liars,and backstabbers. Add some balance,please

Harry….Can we talk???? (Wink and a teardrop…..) Why is it that you and I seem to be the only ones who notice these highly bizarre acting choices (or involuntary tics….take your pick….) of “Snippy the Avenging Stalker?” I’ve never understood the “SP’s” strange dramatic affectations from Day One, and since then they’ve only served to exponentially increase in usage and annoyance. Added to the neophyte nurse’s newly-adopted attitude as a gobby upstart, they make this already insufferable and insipid creature even more unbearable. As if these flummoxing flourishes are going to turn her into daytime’s answer to Revenge’s Emily Thorne! First of all, she has neither the gutsy gumption nor especially the smirks and smarts of our Ems, while her BFF Felix certainly is no Nolan!!!! Not only is he lacking the cunning cleverness and cheeky charisma of the fabulously flamboyant Mr. Ross, but the formidable fashion sense, as well!!!! And even “Mafia Princess” Ava—-an obviously totally out-of-her-league opponent for that snitty little twit—is not quite in the same vaunted and viciously vindictive territory as “Queen of Mean” Victoria!!!!

You dont have to be 100, Aria…DS has been repeated, available on vhs and dvd, and on youtube so even a 2 year old couldv’e have seen it…lol…the show originally aired in the 1960s and did a time travel set in 1897 and followed the lives of the Collins family ancestors…Angelique and Laura were enemies and had very well written confrontation scene…i wont go into details but it…imo…was one of the best moments in the history of the show…GHs scene between Ava and Nina was very entertaining moment which reminded me of past confrontation scenes of other soaps…wasnt necessarily a comparison…just commenting on one of my favorite daytime moments past and present!!!

LOL

“… I hope they cannibalize each other. ”

I love this stuff

Thanks, Harry!!! I’m only pulling for “Team Ava” because she has the proper skill set to put those other nuisances out of their misery, and that for me, is the ultimate goal! Whatever transpires after the fact to the “Hoity-Toity Hit Lady” matters none to me….I truly hope she eventually gets her just desserts for her part in AJ’s downfall and demise. But first “Cruella De Jerome” has her work cut out for her! Frankly, I was quite disappointed by her uncharacteristically subdued, almost sympathetic, reaction to the mouthy mouse’s major hissy fit during the “When Snippy Met Snotty” scene….(I guess the usually cool as a cucumber mafia maven was a bit off her game after being taken aback by “LaNina’s” surprise charm-less offensive, what with all that creepy, maniacal grinning and such…Ick!) Under normal circumstances, the take-no-prisoners princess of Port Charles’ underworld would have backed that arrogant pink-clad amateur up against the wall, then chewed her up and spit her out to show who was (mob) boss…oh well, another day, another opportunity for revenge. (Something to anticipate with bated breath!) As long as Ava gets her gun….and the job gets done!!!!.

I was thinking the very same thing! I hope that both Nina and Ava are gone by the time this thing plays out. Just hope it doesn’t take too long.

The literal meaning of “Cartini” is; ‘ little cards’ ….. Cute.

Dan….I totally adore camp when it is delicious and well done….witness Dr. O. (et al….) and her outrageous escapades!!! I am simply not feeling the “Phyllina” love of her ardent followers from Y&R. To me, MS’s repetitive repertoire of affectations, i.e., repeating things for emphasis, the constant gesticulating and most especially, the smug, self-satisfied smiling that can barely be contained, are completely predictable, and thus, boring. So placing her with another scene-stealing diva’s orbit with her own set of trademark moves and grooves (with which we have become so familiar) really didn’t personally make for great drama, as far as I’m concerned….I found it to be disappointing, at best. However, as I previously stated, I will be an advocate for Ava because I don’t want to see Nina prevail in her latest loony lark, but once that’s over, my sense of ennui with Ms.Jerome will return in spades. I’m much more interested in seeing where the autumnal storylines connect with the Cassadines, Westbournes and other legacy characters of the past. I haven’t felt such a sense of anticipation about GH since last year at this time….I’m hoping it will be fulfilled and then some! (As for the “Cartini” moniker, I cannot take credit for coining it. I encountered it elsewhere last year and still occasionally utilize it here, but you’re quite right, it does sound like a kicky little cocktail. Perhaps some enterprising soapfan/mixologist will concoct an apropos potable in Ron and Frank’s honor!)

I loved the dance between Nina and Ava. Even though I’ve expressed my dislike for Nina’s caricature-ish ways…I can’t take my eyes off her. She’s just so….creepy! And yet, she’s deliciously sarcastic, biting…and I love that part of her!

“If you want to touch the baby, you need to ask.” (Ava)

“Can I touch it?” (Nina)

“No.” (Ava)

Totally paraphrasing; can’t remember it verbatim but too funny! Loving their “duel.”

As for Sabrina…you go, girl! Even though she’s blaming the wrong person, I’m glad to see her mama bear come out. I don’t have to root for her against Ava, because she’ll find out soon enough that she’s aiming her wrath in the wrong direction. As for Ava seeming compassionate (@Shay) we’ve seen Ava’s redeeming side several times ie her love for Kiki, for Morgan, her seeming regret at having killed Connie (and not just because she fears for her own life)… She’s able to segue from cold killer to weepy-eyed doe…and then back again in an instant. But I too want to see AJ avenged…so there lies the dilemma. (I do so miss Sean/AJ.)

@Patrick….A most sincere thanks for your gracious, generous comments! They are particularly meaningful coming from you because your “words” were some of the first I encountered upon discovering MFSoaps, and since then, I’ve continued to find your unique writing style and obvious love of “words” to be a delightful and intriguing treat to behold. It never ceases to amaze me how many well-versed individuals visit here to express their thoughts, each in their own special way….I believe it makes all of us better communicators and expands our own writing capabilities and talents….we learn from each other!!!! : )

Soooooo true…lol

I completely agree. I can’t stand the scenes between Brad and Lucas. I do like the scenes between Brad and Britt, though. Levi-time to go. Kiki-ugh, I hate the random scenes the character is put into. The actress can’t hold a major storyline herself, so she is put in such random scenes-UGH-like when she overhead Carly and Sonny talking about their one-nighter. I thought, “great, now I am going to have to see this dumb character even more…”

Love Kristen Alderson who played Star on OLTL…now Kiki. She has a very realistic girlish yet mature persona…in both shows. She’s young and fun…yet seems to have an old soul and just an all-around wise, compassionate character. Nothing dumb about her.

And by the way, Kristen is more than capable of carrying a story…she emanates authenticity and range.

@ aria: I can posit my opinion where I see fit and if you do not like it, please feel free to skip my posts.

I am a fan of daytime soap operas and view all remaining 4. Having a critical opinion is not a bad thing. There is no denying Maura West’s considerable talent being able to elevate the dialogue but the storytelling is not as strong as it could be. Right now, DAYS has better overall story and particularly for its female characters.

That’s my point.

Right on, Aria. The way Nina and Ava were circling and sizing each other up should be a prized soap moment. From day one I have said Kiki was Nina’s . There are still some unbelievers…lol. Then, when I suggested Nina somehow taking Ava’s baby or steal an embryo, or be artificially inseminated, I was pooh-poohed. We all have personal opinions, each one being very feasible.
But, to insinuate that Michelle Stafford brings nothing to this show but insanity…well, that’s insane. Lol…Take a look around at all these other characters. Is there anyone among them that holds our interest more?…whether we like Michelle and Ava or not, these two women deliver.
I can’t stand Ava, the character, but I admire the actress’s in-your-face-aplomb.
Michelle? No one better, IMO…except, perhaps, Maura.
Let’s remove these two women from the canvas…what do we have? Back to every-day boring life in Port Charles. Cryogenics hold no interest for me, the same mob-recycled stories with Carly and her warts always in the midst of stupid rendez-vous with Sonny. How many times can this story be repeated? Will Carly also find herself pregnant?…and the beat goes ooon….

for all the shenanigans : high jinx : uproar : falacy : LOL OK GH rises

DAYS is my comfort… I watch with nary an opinion… my mind floats… dreams… salivates… continues for more

GH triggers… I go there

Days of OUR Lives…. courts

I’m rested sigh of relief my show is on…

Salem’ite

I agree,agree agree,agree!!!

Victor…me thinks he kidnapped her for the returning Stravos!!!

dmr: I agree with you. I championed the former OLTL showrunners when they moved to GH and enjoyed the first year and 1/2. I forgave a lot of missteps because the show was reinvigirated. I think Todd Manning and John McBain worked very well on GH but the headwriter working overtime to shoehorn three completely unnecessary characters in Silas, Kiki and Franco (Franco was even reviled when played by James Franco!) and adding even more new and poorly written/acted characters. The show has no focus or soul and all over the place. A prime example is Liesl Olbrecht. While Kathleen Gati is a revelation, the character is at-best a character who should only show up maybe once a year! Same with Heather and Faison (both actors I love btw/.)

Ohh, and Kiki IS.THE.WORST.

I try to watch DOOL but their actors are so bad. Its like DOOL stand on the street corner to hire actors. I don;t know how many story lines DOOL has going at one time but I know Bold and the Beautiful has 2, Y&R has maybe 2 coherent story lines. GH on the other hand seems as though they have 10 different story lines going at all times, I love it

And my Coronation Street…what a great soap with the best acting and character driven stories about working middle class families and everday life…love Downtown Abbey and the classic Upstairs Downstairs…wish the British were producing and writing for our soaps!!!

Well I’m one fan who feels that way. I’m glad GH is still on the air…I’m glad a lot of the characters I love are back…though disappointed they’re not on more…I’m glad that the “OLTL 3” are also present…I see no difference in them being cast then an actor I’d never seen before. And when they WERE cast…I was thrilled…as were many OLTL fans who had these actors in their “guilty pleasure” lives and then abruptly didn’t. I assume it’s the same for Y&R fans who like certain actors that are no longer with that show. I don’t feel resentment that they’re “taking up too much time…”

Yeah, I’d like to see more Anna, Lucy, Scott…I’l love to see Duke but I”m assuming he’s off working on his other show…

The point is I’m loving GH. Yes, I have some criticisms which I’ve expressed before, but I think the fans are “lucky” that it’s still on and there’s a whole host of really impressive daytime favs/actors for just about everybody.

Those are all good point. I cite Ava and Nina’s scene in the hospital. It was compelling. I realize most think that actors just memorize lines and hopefully they are well written but you also have to make the audience believe what is written. These two ladies are gold.

Ava will have the baby…Nina is planning on kidnapping the child…you will see im right and you will have to apologize to me…kidding..no apology…lol…but you’ll see that we are right…lol

OK, jimh..
I will bet you a beer, heh 3 beers, that I am going to be right!
You will need to fly to Mn. to deliver my beers but ya have to do it .. 🙂

again ;;
”Nina will drug Ava as her mother drugged her and therefore Ava will lose the baby..
Kiki is not Nina’s baby …”

Om, su000! Did I actually guess you are from Minnesota? Good for me! Lol. I just knew by the way you express yourself. I love it.

You are not wrong if i agree with you…lol…Nina and Kiki(same number of letters in their name even…ok, she is really Lauren…lol) ARE mommy and daughter!!!

Yes, this theory has been discussed before but I have one problem with it. Why did Ava lie and tell everyone that Franco, a mass murderer, was the father? She said before that it was because she thought Silas did kill Nina. But Silas’ name was on the birth certificate and Ava stayed in New York, so it seems like a rather weak plan to keep Silas away from his child. Plus, I can’t imagine a young Ava the party girl wanting someone else’s baby– she’s barely maternal as it is. If this is the story it will need further backstory to make it plausible. Maybe Donna Mills’ imminent return will shed some light.

It seems reasonable. It always confused me why Ava lied about Kiki’s paternity claiming Franco was the father. It didn’t make sense if she loved Silas so much one would think she would be thrilled to tell him she was carrying his child. But this way, it may have been part of the deal that she made with Madeline. Nina was in a coma, Madeline didn’t want the child and no way she would tell Silas about it, perhaps she offered the child to Ava or sold her the child, as long as she promised never to tell Silas he had a daughter. So Ava wanting to have some part of Silas for her own, agreed, and passed her next fling, Franco as the father– until Connie blew that secret and the cover story she gave Silas for lying to him, was just that a cover story– and the real truth will come out, say November sweeps.

Thanks for the vote of confidence, jimh…I always stand by your wise input. You are a sage. Really.
Bye.

I agree with your theory Mary SF; thought the same thing. Madeleine didn’t want Silas to have any part of her money…and by having a child with Nina he would either inherit or be given power over the child’s money. I agree she gave Kiki to Ava…under the condition that Silas never find out. As for Franco, since she slept with him as well it would seem to him and everyone else plausible. Poor Kiki. If this theory is true she not only had to adjust to Franco not being her father, but now Ava not being her bio mom. Seems a lot of people don’t know who their real parents are on soaps..Nathan for another. And we fans just kinda let them recycle and get into it each time. Either the writers are THAT good…or we’re all lost… 😉

Do we really need another baby storyline?

And where is Duke?

Exactly. Why do we need to resort to tired baby and WTD storylines in place of police/spy mysteries (well done ones, which I guess is an excessively formidable challenge under this regime). The LAST thing I want to see is one shrew going after another and then turning around to do the same thing all over again with two more shrews…. that wasn’t EVER the soul of GH. The closest thing to that on this show was Laura and Bobbie, and even they cared about one another and closed ranks when push came to shove. I much prefer that.

I believe Julian does care about the baby…especially if the child really is Sonnys child or grandchild…sneaky Julian will use the baby to his advantage against Sonny…imo!!!

I guess, jimh. But the story takes a different face , if that is the case. Julian would care not out of love but for his own devilish schemes.