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Ron Carlivati (Part 3) – One Life To Live

One Life to Live head writer, Ron Carlivati chats with Michael Fairman in Part Three of his video interview segment. Here, Ron discusses if Thorsten Kaye might return as Patrick Thornhart, the Natalie/John/Marty triangle, Langston’s affair with Ford, what’s next for Gigi and Rex, writing for Trevor St John and if Tea and Todd have a fighting chance, and Alison Perkins deadly return to Llanview!

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The acting choices with regards to Todd are questionable. He is not Todd to so many of us and never will be!

Michael, this a wonderful interview with Ron. You have great rapport between you and he seems to be very accessible in answering your questions. So far, he has done remarkable writing The teases about what and who will be front and center storywise keps us guessing. The only complaint I have is withAllison Perkins. With the seriousness of the Sienna Rose story and who is the real father and all the characters involved, she just seems too bizarre and comical. For me,I find that her shenanigans are taking away from the drama and real emotion of the story. As you can tell, I am not happy with that. It was too easy to drug Sklyler and steal the baby , go to Roxys and apply a mud pack to her face as a disguise, put a gun to Natalie, tape up Roxy, all the while praising Mitch, the Messenger. That’s not funny?. Too easy I say….

Good, detailed interview. I’ve watched all four segments now.

Although it’s been four months, I wish you would have asked Mr. Carlivati for his thoughts on the death of Jared and the firing of John Brotherton. I would particularly like to know if this was his idea, or if it was an edict from above.

Interesting that there couldn’t be a body found for Stacy; yet Jared’s fans were “treated” to multiple scenes of his lifeless body in that hospital, making a return for the character and the actor next to impossible. While I can’t deny that Jared’s death and aftermath gave Melissa Archer and Brian Kerwin (as well as John Brotherton, Erika Slezak, Jerry verDorn, Bree Williamson, Mark Lawson and Roscoe Born) some great material which they’ve done an outstanding job with, for this viewer the cost was simply too much.

I am not at all interested in a re-teaming of Natalie and John, and I’m more than a little disappointed that Mr. Carlivati has several times since November taken the time to specifically mention the disappointment of fans of the old Natalie/John pairing; yet he has never once, as far as I know, publicly addressed the disappointment of the fans of the Natalie/Jared pairing and the fans of Jared/John Brotherton. Based on this interview, it seems Jared has now been reduced to nothing more than a “different direction” that Natalie was taken in back in ’07. I was under the impression from an old quote of his that Mr. Carlivati loved the Natalie/Jared pairing. For what it may be worth to him (perhaps nothing, at this point), I came out of “soap retirement” in no small part because I like this pairing so much.

I don’t understand why all those scenes took place between John and Mitch at the greenhouse post-shooting wherein Mitch predicted that Natalie would never forgive John (nor would John forgive himself) for the way he pursued Jared as the stalker. That was a waste of time when Natalie was written to forgive John all too easily within 24 hours after Jared’s death and John himself has shown absolutely no lingering feelings of remorse or guilt. Also, I felt that Michael/Marcie and their fans got their happy ending last year when the couple left the canvas together after finding out they were going to have a baby. Although it was a nice tie-in to have Matthew’s surgery take place at the Seattle hospital where Michael now works, was it really necessary to have that cycle of life illustration of Jared dying exactly as Marcie gave birth? To be honest, it seemed kind of cruel to me (even more so after Natalie found out she wasn’t pregnant with Jared’s baby); and all of that time spent on those scenes between John and Mitch and the birth of the baby took away time that could have been spent on longer scenes between Natalie and Jared. The suddenness of his death precluded any proper goodbyes to his loved ones; so it would have been nice to have a few more scenes between them. But I guess I shouldn’t expect more from a show which inexplicably backburnered them for over a year and had them married during a montage in which another character’s fantasy wedding received more airtime.

I’ve never seen any of the prior incarnations of the Natalie/John pairing. I started watching OL during the latter half of ’07. During the time that I’ve watched the show John has basically done the same story with two different women…Marty, then Blair, and now Marty again. All of the women on this show deserve better than this emotional cripple who never outgrows his hero complex. Personally, I can’t look at Natalie and John in a scene together and not remember: a) that for over two years they rarely interacted and displayed absolutely none of the supposed feelings that have now all of a sudden resurfaced within a few short months of her husband’s death (and, in the case of the cabin during the blizzard, within minutes of her hallucinating Jared); b) that he completely blew off her disappearance when Tess had her locked in the Secret Room; c) the gleeful, smug way in which he pursued Jared as the stalker; and d) a big part of the reason Jared is dead is because John inexplicably turned away from Mitch while he still had a loaded gun in his hand. I have to say, it disappoints me greatly that nothing was made of this last one; and I can only surmise it speaks to backstage politics that a scene like this aired and it was felt by the powers that be that John’s gross negligence and error does not need to be addressed in any way; yet Jared and his fans were never allowed to forget Jared’s involvement in Nash’s accidental death, to the extreme point of Nash references during Jessica’s eulogy for Jared and his re-internment on the day of Jared’s funeral.

Much as I hate that Jared is gone, I realize that Natalie has to be moved into different stories now. Personally, I would have liked for Natalie to have Jared’s baby; as a pregnancy would be a new, different story for Natalie, who I understand has never even had so much as a pregnancy scare during her time in Llanview. I’d also like to see her (and not just hear about it) back at BE and maybe take a look at Natalie’s childhood with Roxy.

You say you’ve never seen prior John and Natalie, well you should watch them prior to 2007. They were simply amazing. If you ever want to check out some of the great scenes, you can see why so many people love this couple. Because they truly are meant to be together. John comes to life with Natalie. He really does. And as Doc Crosby once pointed out, she’s the one loss he’ll never recover from. I’m not trying to deter you from your fave, but if you never watched prior to 2007, you really should check out some of the scenes. They really are great. But one thing is for sure-we love what we love.

I’m not a big fan of any of the stories he talk about in part 3. They just don’t interest me and I don’t think are written very well. Kish seems to be the only really good written story (other than who’s the daddy that’s lasted way too long) on the show at the moment. It’s a shame and I think after April 12, when a lot of people will stop watching, OLTL may rethink about Kish.

I miss Todd and Tea. It seems like we are getting rewrites or something. I just wish TnT would start interacting again!!

These horrible rumors about Florencia Lozano being fired better be false!!!!!!!

As a long suffering John and Natalie fan I am thrilled to hear Mr Carlivivati comments about this great couple. In my view Michael Easton and Melissa Archer have a scorching hot chemistry, and if written for correctly could be one of the biggest pairings on ABC. My friend and I were out to dinner and were sitting at the bar waiting for a table we started talking about OLTL and John and Natalie the female bartender overheard us and said”OMG I love John and Natalie also” turned out she was a new viewer, and has become hooked on the show thanks to John and Natalie.

I understand Jarred fans being upset, but they should try to be a John and Natalie fan we have waited 7 years for our story, they had 2 years and even had their characters get married. But I must disagree with anyone who only started to watch the show 2 1/2 years ago trying to explain the relationship of John and Natalie. Unless you have watched them through the years you wouldn’t understand them. And please don’t compare John and Natalie to Blair or Marty, Johns love for Natalie has always been very deep. Natalie is the only woman who can completely break John’s heart. It is true they hardly saw wach other for over 2 years, but the times they were together you could still see they had feelings for each other. Also by them staying away from each other for that time they were able to keep those strong feelings buried. But now that they are back in each others lives they can’t hide those feelings anymore. And once they kissed again the floodgates were opened. John tried to be with other women, but he never fully gave his heart to them, Natalie still owns that heart.

I hope Mr Carlivati will write a true Romance for John and Natalie. With my busy life that is why I watch soaps to see the romance.

Joanna, I can certainly understand wanting an old favorite couple to reunite.

In this particular case, however, I feel that the Natalie/John pairing had its share of chances years ago, with stories written for them. Whereas, with Natalie/Jared, I feel they were never given a fair chance, with stories of their own, after a) the BE story was so obviously aborted; b) they were unfairly made the scapegoats by the powers that be for Nash’s death and the loss of Forbes March; and c) they spent months being The Secret Keepers and supporting players in Jessica’s never-ending dramas. Then they were backburnered for months.

Now, I understand the concept of the backburner; I’ve watched soaps for over 35 years. Believe me, I waited very patiently for Natalie and Jared to have their turn on the frontburner with stories of their own. However, when I finally thought their turn had arrived, it basically consisted of the two of them being kinda/sorta on the frontburner for a couple of weeks; then Jared went missing for three weeks while Natalie kinda/sorta remained on the frontburner; only to have them be reunited and Jared killed within a day.

As far as Natalie and Jared’s wedding, it was probably the worst and also one of the best soap weddings I’ve ever seen. It was the worst because of the way the show treated both the couple and their fans by shoehorning their wedding into a montage in which Gigi’s fantasy wedding received more play; not to mention the multi-day arcs devoted to the Starr/Cole non-wedding and the Todd/Tea wedding. It was the best wedding solely because of the sheer joy conveyed by Melissa Archer and John Brotherton in their wedding scene, which they managed to do despite having a mere half-line of dialogue.

You wrote of waiting for seven years for Natalie and John to get together; and you’re asking Natalie/Jared fans to essentially walk a mile in your shoes. At least when Natalie and John were not together, John was still alive and you therefore could hope for a reunion one day. With Jared dead, Natalie/Jared fans don’t have that luxury. I wonder who’d like to walk in our shoes.

I guess we all have our own opinions, and we should all respect each other views, but has someone who after 7 years has still not had a payoff its nice to hear Mr Carlivati talk about their history and wanting to revisit them. For me I was never a huge Jarred and Natalie fan so I was not into their story. And this was the first time I didn’t like a Natalie pairing. I loved Natalie/Cris and Natalie/ John, but Jarred was not a character I liked with Natalie.

I just hope I can finally get the romantic story for John and Natalie that I have waited 7 years for. I want to see what Michael Easton and Melissa Archer could do with a great love story. These 2 actors have so much heat their scenes can be explosive, and I am hoping Mr Carlivati writes a a story to showcase this.

Christine, we are not asking you to walk a mille in our shoes. But really, you got your payoff. They had their wedding, even if it was short. John/Natalie fans never did. And that’s what has been so bitter to take.

Billy Warlock would be weird casting as Gigi’s father. He may be technically old enough, but he’s always looked so young.

Just wanted to say thank you to Christine for saying everything a lot of us Natalie/Jared fans are feeling.

Thank you, Gin, for your comment.

Joanna, the site wouldn’t let me respond to your last comment directly, so I started a new post. Just wanted to close by adding that

“I guess we all have our own opinions, and we should all respect each other’s views”

is one thing we do agree on. 🙂

I am very happy RonC. is revisting John& Natalie! , they have the most sizzling dynamic, even in a normal conversation they sizzle! I am not that much of a Marty fan but loved her with Patrick. if they brought him back , that would be a huge SL for a lot of characters. Todd and Tea were OK ,just not used to Dani’s age.. but if that all their is for Tea, thats too bad. Mitch and Alison are creepy bad guys ,,, but interesting to watch. But I think this should be their last go around.

Add me to the list of another long suffering John and Natalie fan. I am thrilled with this interview and the possibility of John and Natalie being reunited.
I have watched this couple since Oct 1, 2003. I fell in love right along with this couple. And I was saddened when they were broken up in 2007 for no good reason, and paired with people I didn’t want to see.
I was sickened to see that Natalie and John barely had any scenes for more than 2 years. This is a couple that had gone through so many things together, and to end them over “drugged soup”, was just PLAIN RIDICULOUS. And to pair John with a psychiatrist was the most hideous thing I’d ever heard of. This character hates psychiatrists! And to pair Natalie with a gold-digging faux uncle was hideous in itself. And I was THRILLED when Jared was killed. Infact, so thrilled I had popcorn while watching his death scenes. And sayng “thank you soap gods”.
As for Marty, she’s okay as a character, BUT SHE DOES NOT BELONG WITH JOHN. Her and John are beyond boring. During their scenes, I find myself sleeping as I am put to absolute naptime. End this farce of a couple sooner than later!
With Natalie, John comes to life. She is the light at the end of the dark tunnel for John. She breathes life into him. They are truly meant to be together, and I, for one, hope that at the end of this long-suffering road, he and Natalie are back where they both belong–in each other’s arms.
As for Marty’s pregnancy, it is a ridiculous plot point as their “love story” took place off-screen(Don’t get me wrong, I’m thrilled that it was. Because it meant the viewers wouldn’t have to be sickedended watching it). But NATALIE is the one John dreamed of having a family with. It should be NATALIE pregnant with John’s baby. It should be NATALIE where Marty is with John.
As a John/Natalie fan, I want the payoff every other pairing has had. I want a real proposal, a real wedding(and not a 13 second one)-and I want a John/Natalie baby. I want the TOTAL package that we were robbed of three years ago!

Wow….I couldn’t of said it better myself!!!

As a die hard JOLIE(John and Natalie) Fan I’m soooooooooo looking forward to them reuniting for good this time!!!

I have only watched reg. again since Feb..Thank God for DVR…cause when their not on I can ff thru most of the show or just not watch at all……and I have to say I absolutly LOVE watching them two on screen again!!! Now just if they’d speed up this Marty crap…….

I’m like you I want our due payoff for being loyal to a fault * at times*, die hard fans of this couple!!!

Hi Shelby
Thanks for the response. I felt a little long-winded after I wrote the post, but realized I meant every word I said! Ron has done fantastic thus far, and I just hope he continues the great writing for this couple. I have enjoyed every scene. Every line was delivered with the knowledge of their shared history. It’s been amazing thus far. But the one thing I enjoy most with this pregnancy plot point are the longing glances shared between these two. No one does angst better than Natalie and John! Bring on the eye sex! My pretties can do it justice!!

Starting watching OLTL again in October after hearing that Natalie and John would be sharing scenes again. I stopped watching after their horrible breakup. ME and MA still have such great on-screen chemistry after so long apart. Looking forward to a long awaited reunion. I feel there is still so much story that can be told for this couple especially since both have grown and matured. I think John finally is at peace over his father’s death and can now focus on committing to someone he loves. Hopefully that someone will be Natalie.

i agree totally with christine, i want the total package with john and natalie. we have been waiting seven years for them to get back together, i want proposal, wedding, baby! i want it all with them, i stopped watching when they broke up and started back when bo and nora got back together and now with jolie getting back together one life is getting better and better. that is just my opion everyone is aloud and i’m sorry for the jared fans i really liked him but i love natalie and john together. melissa and michael just have great chemistry together.

OLTL right now is not as good of a show as it has been in the past. A lot of the storylines right now are not working. But there are 2 things that are working right now and that is the pairings of Bo/Nora and John/Natalie.

Bo/Nora have finally been reunited after 10 years apart. RSW and HBS have the chemistry that every soap producer dreams of. And after 10 years of horrible forced pairings for both Bo and Nora Ron got it right and he reunited them.

John/Natalie have not been reunited but they are on their way to finding their way back to each other. This is one couple that Ron knows how to write. ME And MA have an explosive chemistry. If given the right storylines they could become a supercouple. John/Natalie can be amazing if given the right material. Ron has given them great material this year. The Feb blizzard scenes as well as the Lanfair second kiss scenes shows us that Ron knows how to write them. Ron just needs to end this contrived Marty/John/Natalie tri and give this couple the payoff that they should have had 3 years ago. John/Natalie need a full reunion complete with marriage and a baby.

Thanks for sharing this!!! I’m excited about the reunion of John and Natalie and cannot wait to see them as a couple again!!! They bring the chemistry,angst,love,passion back to OLTL….I look forward to watching again, when I know their going to be on. 😉

I, too, am a huge John/Natalie fan and love this interview with Ron. I am hoping with baited breath that this means John and Natalie will be reunited. Like many others, I stopped watching after they broke up, and recently started watching again with the Stalker Storyline when I stood in line one day at the grocery store and pcked up a copy of SID, and turned to OLTL fall previews and saw John/Natalie would be back in a story together.
Since then, I put OLTL back on my DVR! The scenes these past few months have NOT disappointed me, but I want MORE!!
This latest plot twist with Marty being pregnant, although ridiculous, is giving me what I have loved about the John/Natalie relationship and that’s the longing, the eye sex and the angst. NO ONE, and I do mean NO ONE, does angst quite like Natalie and John. ME and MA have amazing chemistry and it should be showcased and built upon.

Really good interview overall.

Love that RC comments on how FL is a wonderful actress and he makes it a point to say that TnT is just as wonderful a love story as T/B. ICAM. In fact, as far as I am concerned, TnT are the best, period. But it is nice that he showed respect to TnT. So tired of the T/B merry go round. There has been nothing “super” about that couple in a decade, IMHO.

Really hoping to get my TnT back. Not even going to deal with the possibility they may be releasing FL. That would just set me off and after losing DD, this is not a good time to be messing with me, lol.

I am a HUGE Jolie fan. I been waiting years for these two to reconnect!

I just can’t stand that they paired John and Marty, that was definately a HUGE mistake. Natalie and Jared, I couldn’t stand, Jared just was blah! I am just annoyed that they don’t pair John and Natalie up instead of having all these wrenches thrown in between them. The writeers know that more than half of the viewers are rooting for this couple. I hope they do bring Patrick back for Marty, cause thats the only person she had chemistry with.

I have been a OLTL fan since Vicky/Joe and Clint, Ed and Carla, Dorian/David/Jenny, Jenny/Brad, Karen/Larry, Tina/Cord and I say Jolie is the best couple they have EVER HAD IMHO. From the beginning, their scenes just jumped off the screen and their scenes were great especially the non-verbal ones, what they do with their eyes should be rated “R.” Like so many others after 5 years, I felt gipped by the horrible ending and hated that they were never on screen together although now “Others” get it, you could never put them in a scene together with other characters, the other characters just faded away. My question has always been if you have a couple with that much chemistry, why not use it? I am holding bated breath for the Jolie reunion and true love story that these two can tell. Although here to now, OLTL has not indicated that they listen to fans, but Jolie had jumpstarted all the boards, magazines, they have that buzz and imagine what a really good love story could do. That is why we or at least I watch for love in the afternoon and NO ONE does it better than Michael Easton and Melissa Archer, so as Natalie told John on the plane to Thailand “Bring It On.”

Fantastic, detailed interviews Michael, i’m trying to get thru all of them. I love this show and i hope Ron sticks around. GREAT JOB and great questions! Good provocative discussions had in the Ron C. interviews.

Days Of Our Lives

Matthew Ashford and Melissa Reeves Talk Return to DAYS for Doug’s Funeral, Susan Seaforth Hayes, and Their Enduring Friendship

Last week, Days of our Lives celebrated the taping of their 15,000th episode which is tentatively scheduled to air on December 3rd. The story will feature emotional and heart-tugging scenes of Doug Williams funeral and honor his portrayer, the beloved Bill Hayes, who passed away on January 12th at the age of 98.

While the actors, producers, and crew took a lunch time break to pose for some pictures and speak with the press, they knew they would have to get back to taping the funeral, which was going to make it a tough day, but also cathartic for all who loved Bill Hayes.

Several returns have thus far been announced including; Melissa Reeves reprising her signature role of Jennifer Horton (a part she first played in 1985), and Matthew Ashford as Jack Deveraux. Reeves had last appeared on the show back in 2021, and she was replaced by Emmy-winner Cady McClain in her absence when Jennifer was in storylines. In real-life, Melissa had moved full-time to Tennessee along with her husband, Scott Reeves (ex-DAYS, GH, Y&R). Now, and as previously reported, Reeves will first appear back on DAYS for the Thanksgiving episodes with the Hortons.

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Michael Fairman TV caught up with Matt and Melissa during the 15,000th episode celebration to get their take on: being back for these special episodes, how it has been working with and watching Susan Seaforth Hayes portray Julie’s grief over losing Doug, and how they have supported each other through the years. Check out what they shared below.

Melissa, you are back on the set of Days of our Lives for this very emotional and special moment in the series history. How does it feel?

MELISSA: Oh, my goodness. I am honored. I wouldn’t want to be anywhere else but to be here for Bill. He was like my real-life dance partner. He taught me how to ballroom dance. And to be here for Susan, of course, who’s just been our sweet hero this whole week. We’re just following her lead. She’s just been this incredibly strong example for us in the midst of this trial and season of her life. She is like just lifting us all up with her. It’s been incredible.

I was at Bill Hayes memorial service which was truly incredible and I know at the time you were in Tennessee. It was moving and celebratory of his life, all at the same time.

MELISSA: That’s all I have heard. I have to watch it on You Tube. They said it was just a real celebration of his life and I love that.

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This must be difficult for Susan Seaforth Hayes depicting the death of Doug, when she is still grieving the loss of her beloved husband. (Susan pictured above with the returning Stephen Schnetzer who plays her on-screen brother, Steve Olson).

MELISSA: I’m sure Susan has those moments at home by herself, but she’s so good at being a leader and leading all of us. We’re following her, you know, and she’s like, “This is how I want to feel today.” And we’re just going along with her, you know? It’s so sweet.

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How is it to see Matt Ashford again live and in-person?

MELISSA: You know, Matt and I can go years without talking, or seeing each other, and then the minute we see each other we’re chatting away.

MATT: Melissa was out on set doing a scene yesterday on the phone talking to a stage manager; as she was telling some really tough news on the phone. I’m like crying in the background, literally, I’m off-stage crying.

MELISSA: And then we get like back into normal life, and we’re like, okay, “What’s happening? What’s happening with this … or what’s happening with that?”

I had read, Melissa, that you were in touch with Matt about if there night be a possibility for you to reprise your role as Jennifer for these special episodes?

MELISSA: Yes. Well, Matt was like, “Hey! Would you want to come back? “And I was like, “Matt, you know, I would always come back. ”

MATT:  Every time I come here to Days of our Lives, they ask, “Where’s Missy? How’s Missy?” Everybody backstage says, “I miss her.” All of the crew is asking about her and saying, “It would be nice to see Missy. Nothing wrong with you Matt, but …”  They said, “Where is she?” I said, “She wants to come!”

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There are some beautiful photos of Missy and Bill and Susan thorough the years that I found. It just reminded me of just the deep and entrenched history we all have had with the show, personally and professionally.

MATT: Missy is roughly the age where Francis Reid (ex-Alice Horton) was when she started the show, which is just crazy.

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I’ve always said Missy was going to be the next generation Alice. Do you feel that Jennifer is the heir apparent matriarch of the Horton family?

MELISSA: Yes. I mean, this has been greatest blessing of my life, and that would be great. I told Ken Corday (executive producer, Days of our Lives) when I was 17 that this show would be my life. Ken always told me, “This is your home,” and I’ve always felt like that.

How have gotten through the scenes watching Susan Seaforth Hayes as Julie go through the loss of Doug?

MATT: Susan is bringing her best performance life for her and Bill. I mean, she’s a showbiz baby. She always has been one hundred percent, and she’s doing it for him, and this is who they’ve always been. So, you’re seeing this amazing performance colored by her life. She has her private life as Susan, but she has enough plugged into Julie that she’s done amazing work. The director, producers and writers are giving her room to live in these moments and it’s quite wonderful.

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Have you already broken down in tears during the taping?

MELISSA: Yesterday, but today’s taping of the actual funeral I think they want us to try and be just more celebratory.

MATT: I mean, it is a beautiful long life for Bill Hayes and his character of Doug Williams, and so it will be about that. Then, you get a bunch of us together in the church pews, and there’s going to be hijinks.

MELISSA: We all have been through the waves of grief. You have that awful cry and then all of a sudden you feel okay.  There are those family situations we are portraying where you’re like, “What do we do? What do we do now? You know, no one knows what to do. But, it’s so sweet. I’m looking forward to seeing how the scenes all turn out.

So, are you glad that Matt and Melissa are back for the 15K episode and Doug’s funeral? From what we can tell, it’s going to be quite an emotional journey for Days of our Lives fans, and especially the performance of Susan Seaforth Hayes, 

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Days Of Our Lives

Ron Carlivati Talks on Decision to Make Days of our Lives 15000th Episode About Doug’s Funeral, and Previews Chances for WGA Award

This week, Days of our Lives celebrated the taping of their 15,000th episode. In of it itself, that is an incredible accomplishment for the long-running soap opera currently streaming on Peacock.

However, this on set gathering was a bit different. Though the show is celebrating their achievement, they are also in the middle of taping scenes surrounding the death and the funeral of Doug Williams, played by the late Bill Hayes, who passed away on January 12th of this year at the age of 98.

As previously revealed many longtime favorites are back to honor Bill and the character of Doug including: Gloria Loring (Liz), Melissa Reeves (Jennifer), Matthew Ashford (Jack), Maree Cheatham (Marie), Victoria Konefal (Ciara) and Stephen Schnetzer (Steve) to name but a few.

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Michael Fairman TV was in attendance and spoke with Days of our Lives head writer, Ron Carlivati to gain some insight into how the 15,000 episode was crafted and the decision to honor the character of Doug Williams and Bill Hayes as its epicenter. In addition, Ron weighed-in on this Sunday’s April 14th WGA (Writers Guild of America) Awards, where he and his writing team are facing off with General Hospital for the daytime drama prize. Here’s what Ron shared below.

Was this your idea to make the 15,000th episode centered around Doug’s funeral and passing?

RON: It was. When you’re looking at it, and laying out the calendar for the whole year and you see 15,000 is coming up, we’re like, “What are we going to do?” And then, we got the news that Bill had passed away and something kind of clicked. I was like, “We should honor Doug on that show.” So then, we started to kind of build around that … when does he pass away? How does he pass away? Who could come back? You know, it’s a lot.  I’m very pleased with the returns that we got as there’s so much that you could do. We wanted everybody we could get. So, we put together a wish list and Janet Drucker (co-executive producer, Days of our Lives) made it happen.

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You have Melissa Reeves back as Jennifer, when the role was last played by Cady McClain. What has it meant to have Missy back for these shows?

RON: It was so nice to see Missy Reeves. I think Cady has done such a good job, but on the 15,000th episode to see Missy as Jennifer, it’s a big deal. So having her was great, and overall, the milestone was a big undertaking, because you want to live up to it. You want the 15,000th episode to be good. Now, it has a lot of real emotion that you’re playing. because for the cast and the crew they’re honoring Bill Hayes just as much as we’re honoring Doug Williams.

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Was it hard for you and the team to write this episode?

RON: Yes. I’ll tell you why it was hard to write.  When I wrote, for example, Asa’s (Phillip Carey) death on One Life to Live or Victor’s (John Aniston) on DAYS, Asa is a different type of character. Like, you could have characters going, “Oh! I’m glad he is dead.” You could have different points of view, but with Doug, you’re not having that. Every person loves this man. No one had a bad relationship with him. So, you’re challenge as a writer is how do you make it that not everybody’s saying the same thing and doing the same thing. And so, we tried to find ways to make the episode about all the familial relationships and yet, how do you make it about Doug and yet broaden the scope.

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I had spoken to Susan Seaforth Hayes (Julie), a week after Bill’s memorial, for an interview. She said that she felt very fortunate that you did include her on discussions of how you would tackle Doug’s passing. How did that conversation go?

RON: First, I attended Bill’s funeral, which was incredible. I said to so many people it was an emotional service, but it was hard to be sad at this. The guy had an incredible life and it was an incredible celebration. And so, you’re sitting there watching this knowing that you now have to write something similar. And how do you write something that lives up to what you just witnessed? I wanted to talk to Susan to get her thoughts about, you know, how much do you want this to be about keeping Bill separate from Doug. How comfortable are you sharing your grief. She was incredible to talk to. It was a great chat.

You’re in the middle of taping these major scenes for the 15,000 episode to air in December. How do you think it’s going? Have you seen any of the scenes?

RON:  I haven’t seeing anything. I mean, we were still making changes to the script up till this morning!

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The Writers Guild Awards are this Sunday, April 14th and once again this year there are two daytime drama nominees, General Hospital and Days of our Lives. How are you feeling about your chances this year?

RON: It is often just GH and us in the category. I’ve won three years in a row, so I’m kind of feeling like it’s their turn.

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What episodes did you submit for contention? If I recall, they had to do with Victor’s memorial.

RON: The episodes we submitted were centered around Victor’s funeral. I think one has story with Vivian (Louise Sorel). We had some fun stuff, we had some emotional stuff at Victor’s death, and I am pretty sure that our submission was three episodes right around that time.

Did you make the decision to go with those episodes because there was a mix of humor and drama?

RON: I like to have some humor, but it was also the funeral, then there’s Sarah (Linsey Godfrey) giving birth, and then Vivian’s crashing the reading of the will. So, we had a lot of fun and it’s hard sometimes to pick three that tell a story, as opposed to submitting for the Daytime Emmys, where the writing team only submits two shows. So, we shall see how it goes on Sunday.

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So, are you looking forward to the emotional 15,000th episode of Days of our Lives? Do you think DAYS will take home the WGA writing award for daytime dramas for the 4th year in a row? Comment below.

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(INTERVIEW) Eric Martsolf Previews DAYS Stars on ‘Weakest Link’, How He Fared in the Game, Plus Welcoming New Tate, Leo Howard

Tuesday night on NBC’s Weakest Link (9 p.m. ET/PT), the stars of Days our of Lives test their knowledge, and try to win big money for the charity of their choice on the newest season of the popular game show hosted by Jane Lynch. In case you miss it, you can also catch the episode on Wednesday streaming on Peacock.

The question on everyone’s mind is … who will be revealed as Salem’s weakest link? Who will be left standing at the end of the game? DAYS favorites: Eric Martsolf (Brady) Brynn Dattilo (Lucas), Galen Gering (Rafe), Martha Madison (Belle), Victoria Konefal (ex-Ciara), Zach Tinker (Sonny), Tina Huang (Melinda) and Lindsay Arnold (ex-Allie) play while literally having the task of throwing their co-stars under the bus. The contestant who receives the highest number of votes leaves the game throughout, as Lynch declares their exit with the now iconic phrase, “You are the Weakest Link. Goodbye.” 

Michael Fairman TV caught up with Eric Martsolf, who daytime fans know is great as a host in his own right and oh-so-fun at playing any trivia game you throw at him. Martsolf gave us the inside scoop of what it was like to be on the set and backstage in a rather nerve-wracking environment, and trying to come off as smart while Jane Lynch roasts you at the same time!

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In addition, Eric shared his thoughts on the new Tate, as Leo Howard takes over the role of his on-screen son from Jamie Martin Mann on the April 5th episode of Days of our Lives, plus working with Emily O’Brien as Theresa, and the loss of the legendary Bill Hayes. Check out what Eric had to say below.

Did you know about the game before? Had you watched the original version of the Weakest Link, or this latest incarnation?

ERIC: I was very, very familiar with the game because I found, as someone who enjoys hosting, that has to be one of the best hosting gigs out there because they just have extreme liberties in belittling the contestants, and it’s all done in jest of course, but it’s great. Jane Lynch is a master.

Did you get to meet Jane Lynch before she hit the stage for the taping?

ERIC: I don’t think any of us met her prior to being on the set. So, we’re standing there behind our podiums and these cyber lights just point all in one direction. At one point when we’re out there, it was kind of a hurry up and wait thing. We’re just like, “When is this going to start?” Then, here Jane comes and in all her glory in a beautiful navy-blue suit. She just prances onto stage and just glares over at us, and starts making fun of a silly soap opera actors like you wouldn’t believe. It was just great. I’ll let the public see what how she crucified us. But it was all done in fun.

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Did she crucify you?

ERIC: I don’t think anybody got out unscathed to be honest with you.

For those that don’t know the game, you try to eliminate those that are the weakest in answering questions.

ERIC: Correct, and therein lies the problem. Historically, I think the Weakest Link is comprised of contestants that don’t really know each other, and in this case, you have not only coworkers, but almost family members because we all know each other very, very well. It’s a tight circle and even more so when you’re on the same show. So, we all went in into it pretty nervous because the premise of the game is to expose the inadequacy of people’s knowledge of general facts and information. So, essentially, you’re voting each other off because you don’t think they’re as smart as you are and that they’re the least smart in the group. So, I mean, that in itself is pretty, pretty tough to swallow. It was really hard, because you have to look at your friends in the eye and go, “yeah, I don’t think you’re going to get the next couple questions. You’re not the smartest, you’re not the crispiest chip in the bag. I’m going to let you go. ”

Did you feel bad about some of the eliminations?

ERIC: At one point, without giving away any spoilers, I voted off someone that without a doubt, has more smarts and education than I do. I just felt silly. But, you know, the way the game was going, I just felt it was the right. There is a bit of strategy involved. I’m worried about the airing of this particular episode because I did fumble some questions that people are going to turn their heads and go, “Really? You didn’t get that one?” It’s so much easier to answer these questions at home in your pajamas than it is, you know, looking at Jane Lynch in the eye with 6,000 lights at your face in front of cameras. Your brain tends to wander. So yes, we all had had some answers that we couldn’t believe we didn’t get at the time!

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Did it get very competitive?

ERIC: There was little competition there. If I recall, it’s Galen and Bryan that went at it a little bit and had some laughs. But again, I can’t stress this enough, it was all done with fun. At the end of the day, every one of us wanted to win. I think the smartest person did actually come out victorious.

Now in the game, for those that have never seen it, you’re on your podium, and then Jane gives a question, right?

ERIC:  It’s a firing squad of questions. You only have a certain amount of time to answer. If you get the correct answer or the wrong answer, you immediately, go to the next contestant and you have a certain amount of time. And then, at the end of that line of questioning, everyone gets to vote as to who they believed was the biggest dummy in the group. (Laughs) Some questions are simple. You know, “What color is Santa Claus’ suit?” And then, the next question is “What is 648,000 times 14?” or what’s the population of some obscure country? So, that was the biggest challenge. Someone else might get, “What is the main ingredient of a banana split?” And my question could be like, “How much is 9,430 times x 59 million?” There’s an intimidation factor that Jane Lynch brings to it when she’s staring you down.

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When the cast finished the entire game, what happened backstage?

ERIC:  The best part was there were these post interviews that the Weakest Link conducts where you have to go into a dark black room. I think my first question was, “How did you feel about that wrong answer?” They don’t let up. They just keep jabbing at you. “Did you feel ridiculous getting the wrong answer to that fourth-grade level question?” (Laughs) There was also a lot of trash talk with that happened after the show. It got so competitive. If I recall, we were all supposed to go out together and get a meal with everybody, and that never happened. They’re like, “I’m not eating lasagna with you right now. You just voted me off!” Now, even the first person that gets voted off, you’re going to be shocked, because I thought this person would probably win it. In the game, you want the best people to remain on the panel because that’s what drives up the money.

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Later this week on DAYS, we will see the debut of your new on-screen son, Leo Howard, taking over from Jamie Martin Mann as Tate.

ERIC: How about that?  I just did a post on Instagram, because I saw that Jamie Martin Mann had liked and hearted a post about Leo Howard coming on the show. I just thought that was so classy of him. That’s the way it’s supposed to be, “This is the new guy. Embrace him. He’s good. I’ve met him. He is a good guy.” It’s about handing off the character baton sometimes, sort to speak. I was really proud of those guys. I reached out to Jamie. He just wants to go to college and be a student. I understand that. That’s important.

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Is that challenging for you as an actor since you’ve built this relationship with the one guy as your son, and now you’ve got to pivot and create a different kind of energy with someone else taking on the part?

ERIC: Leo Howard has been in the industry for a while, with some very good credits to his name. He brings a certain charisma to this role that I think people are really going to love. And yes, he’s older, but he plays younger, and he has that ability and he’s pulling it off brilliantly. I can’t wait for people to see him, but of course I miss Jamie. Emily O’Brien (Theresa) and I really grew to love him very quickly because the storyline got so deep, so quickly, with the drug intervention and then him getting beat up in in prison. I mean, as a father, that’s the kind of stuff that you have nightmares about, you know, your kids being in pain.

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I still love the fact that Emily O’Brien is still noticeably wearing a blonde wig as Theresa. What are your thoughts on how the transition has been for you, and for her pivoting to a completely different role?

ERIC: I hadn’t worked with Emily much before, because Gwen and Brady never really crossed paths. We all saw the transition that she had to make. When I became Brady, the character hadn’t been on the map for three years.  When she became Theresa, she walks out one gate and comes through the other as Theresa. We all had a good giggle about it. That’s hard to ask an audience to go,  OK, I’m Gwen, now I’m Theresa.” I was scrolling through X (formerly Twitter) and I saw a couple posts from fans that said how they were really weary, at first, about accepting Emily O’Brien as Theresa. But after today’s episode, they shared, “I’m loving her as Tate’s mom, and the chemistry she has with the family.” I texted Emily and I said, “I just want to let you know that you’re just bringing it home really brilliantly, and people are starting to come around.” I think they’ll do that with Leo Howard too.

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What had it been like without the iconic Bill Hayes (Doug Williams) coming to work and being part of the Days of our Lives cast since his passing?

ERIC: You really do miss that presence in the hallways. He was a song and dance guy and I am a song and dance guy. as well. I kind of find myself the lone singer in the makeup room sometimes, but I could always count on Bill. He’d be humming some old tune from the sixties. I’d start humming along and he’d just kind of lean over and take a look at me, and give a little smile. Everyone else was probably irritated at us, but we just kept singing along. and it’s like 6:30 in the morning. I think Bill was a lot like the late John Aniston (ex-Victor), in the sense that I don’t really feel like he felt he was working. He was just always having fun right up until the end. That little number he did with his wife, Susan Seaforth Hayes (Julie), and Dick Van Dyke (guest starring as Timothy Robicheaux), where he was singing along, he was just living it. It was so cute and so adorable to watch.

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Your final tease for the Weakest Link tonight is, “Fans should watch because …”

ERIC: Fans should watch it because if they thought we were smart before, wait till they see the show.

You can check out the cold open for tonight’s Weakest Link “Days of our Lives special” below.

Now let us know, will you be watching Eric and his co-stars, past and present, attempting to showcase their knowledge on the ‘Weakest Link? Intrigued to see Leo Howard and Eric in scenes as new Tate and his father, Brady? Share your thoughts in the comment section.

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