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Soap Notables React To Biggest Oscar Flub In History As Best Picture Goes From 'La La Land' To 'Moonlight'!
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It was the biggest Oscar flub in the history of the Academy Awards Sunday night.
After La La Land was declared the winner in the night’s biggest prize, Best Picture, it turns out that wasn’t the case at all, and Moonlight was the rightful recipient.
How it all went down began when Warren Beatty and Faye Dunaway were reunited on-stage to present the final award of the evening, because it was the 50th anniversary of the film Bonnie and Clyde in which they starred. When it was time to reveal the winner, Beatty opened the envelope, checked inside the envelope again, looked confused, took a long pause and then glanced over at Dunaway, who clearly thought he was pulling some sort of prank or embellishing the moment. “You’re impossible!” she said, “Come on!” Beatty handed the envelope to Dunaway, who announced the winner was La La Land!
When the joyous La La Land team arrived on stage, producers Jordan Horowitz and Marc Platt delivered their heartfelt emotional speeches. But behind them stage managers and such were in the mix of the La La Land team. A flurry of activity began behind them. A stage manager with a headset started talking to several people, as did one of the accountants in charge of tabulating Oscar ballots.
Next, Horowitz stepped to the mic and said, “Guys, guys, I’m sorry. No. There’s a mistake,” he said. “‘Moonlight,’ you guys won best picture.” “This is not a joke.” Platt interjected. “I’m afraid they read the wrong thing.” Horowitz then held up the card that proved it: “‘Moonlight’ … Best Picture.”
Beatty then decided to step up to the mic himself and explain the snafu: “I want to tell you what happened. I opened the envelope and it said, Emma Stone, ‘La La Land.’” (Stone had just won best actress moments before.) “That’s why I took such a long look at Faye, and at you. I wasn’t trying to be funny. ” Beatty said to the audience. “This is ‘Moonlight,’ the best picture,” Beatty said, turning the correct card around. E! also reported that Warren Beatty was handed the wrong envelope and showed a close-up shot of it.
Moonlight director, Barry Jenkins took to the stage in the confusion and said on the mic: “Very clearly, even in my dreams this could not be true. But to hell with dreams! I’m done with it, because this is true. Oh, my goodness.”
Following the snafu, the accounting firm of PriceWaterhouseCoopers put out this statement: “The presenters had mistakenly been given the wrong category envelope and when discovered, was immediately corrected,” the statement continued. “We are currently investigating how this could have happened, and deeply regret that this occurred. We appreciate the grace with which the nominees, the academy, ABC and Jimmy Kimmel handled the situation.”
During the moments that all of this drama took place live on the Oscars after over 3 hours and 4o minutes, social media was abuzz! Many notables from the world of daytime drama took a moment to share their shock, happiness, or commentary on the action that they just watched play-out on live TV. Here is just a sampling below!
Stephen Nichols: So very happy Moonlight won best picture… even after that ridiculous faux pas. #oscars #lovemovies
Mary Beth Evans: I feel bad for these icons .. a mix-up that wasn’t their fault.
Mal Young: Bonnie & Clyde still causing mayhem
Victoria Rowell: OSCARS debacle stars announce wrong winner for BEST MOVIE – it ROBBED moment/momentum for rightful winner, MOONLIGHT. “A mess”
Catherine Hickland: Hmmm. That was interesting. We placed a bet on that last award in Las Vegas. We were 5 to 1. They announced LaLa Land won. Which means we lost the bet. We left the theater to come to the governors Ball. All of a sudden we find that we won the bet. There are some disappointed people over what happened, but we won, weird ending to the academy awards. Poor Warren Beatty must feel mortified. What was your reaction??
Jean Passanante: Somebody posted on Twitter: “Does this mean Hillary won?”
Kristen Alderson: WTF just happened!?!?! #Oscars
Ian Buchanan: I am so glad Faye Dunaway is not coming to my house tonight. Warren Beatty got distracted when his long-lost sibling waved from the audience. Re-reading ‘Voyage of the Damned’. In horror.
So, what did you think of Beatty and Dunaway’s Oscar flub? Were you happy to see Moonlight win Best Picture and not La La Land? How could the wrong envelope for Best Picture not end up in Warren Beatty’s hands to begin with? Who’s comment on social media was your favorite following the debacle? Share your thoughts below!
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I thought it was human…messy, but mostly felt bad for Warren Beatty! I KNOW he could have/should have announced there was a mistake with the cards…but this is what I think happened:
I think he looked at it…then looked again…but doubted himself. So, instead of announcing the mistake, he intended for Dunaway to look at it, confer ti was wrong…and then they’d say something. Unfortunately he didn’t convey that and she just saw the words La La Land and ran with it. Awkward for all…
This was, quite frankly, one of the most scripted, staged, contrived tv productions I have ever seen! It was awkward and embarrassing. Considering they just pulled a similar stunt with Steve Harvey a few years back, you would think they could come up with something more original! Watching the La La Land crew acceptsnce speech….there was no joy…no real emotion….it was like he was just talking until the inevitable moment they interrupted him. It was too rehearsed….it was clear there was no real shock from ANYONE in the room. Shock is hard to fake even from the best actors. With… Read more »
Uhhhhh…you think this was PLANNED AND STAGED???!!!! Like, ummm…fake news?
Ya.
Well…lol….duh! Anyone who could watch that and think it was real is just not good at life. This is the BIGGEST award of the night!! That envelope would have been checked and double checked and triple checked for complete accuracy. Never mind that Huffington Post printed a story TWO days before the Oscars with the headline Ever Wonder What Would Happen if the Wrong Movie was Announced as Best Picture? Well…we got our answer. Lmao. What you have to keep in mind…..is that television was NOT created to bring truth to the masses. It was created during a wartime era… Read more »
It was a terrible mistake that was quickly rectified. “Moonlight” is excellent and deserved the win. Victoria Rowell, STOP! Anything you can do to scream injustice or racism, Please Stop!
I was thinking the same thing when I read her comment…here we go again…
Ditto.
I agree. VR needs to just stop because in shrilling about non existent cases of racism, she undermines the real cases of racism.
I echo all of you 1000%. Her continued attempts at scraping every morsel of self-promotion, race-baiting and imagined relevance is pathetic. She has forever sullied whatever #YR legacy she had left, and I for one hope she vanishes from the ether as soon as humanly possible.
It seems she is the racist. It was a mistake, I’m sure they wouldn’t intentionally embarrass themselves like that.
Agree regarding Rowell’s comment. Ugh.
Its seems strange..like a publicity gimmick or something…maybe we can blame the Russians again for manipulating the voting system-lol….
IN LIBERAL HOLLYWOOD IT MUST BE TRUMPS FAULT!
so true
no jimh. just…no.
it was strange, but real and uncomfortable for all involved.
True, Jim. May have been a mistake. But this poster is always right, so you cannot defy her. Some people have all the answers……
LOL, CeeCee…me, Addison, ummm, Harry, Rose…you have the same critique for us all. Try mixin’ it up! (While you’re formulating what we should be saying and doing in our “old” age.)
Oh…and I know you were kidding jimh…but there are actually some people who believe it was a scam…was done for publicity. Yikes, but then again there are people who deny the Holocaust. Takes all types….
@Celia….Or just think they do……
Oh, Shay, Shay. You and I must have some hidden, desirable quality which sticks to someone’s craw. I wish I knew what it was. LOL. Mystifying….
Although I did not watch the Oscars, some of my friends did. The majority agrees that it was an honest mishap….not staged. Who knows?! How old are Beatty and Dunaway?! LOL. ….couldn’t resist.
Later…..
There are 2 sets of envelopes (one of each side of stage). Beatty & Dunaway must have entered from the opposite side of stage than DiCaprio (previous presenter) did. The accountant obviously gave the wrong envelope. Regardless…
1- why didn’t Warren point out mistake & ask for new envelope?
2- did Faye read the full text before declaring LaLa Land winner?
3- why did it take 3 minutes!!! for correct winner to be named?
4- last acceptance speech from LaLa Land producer went on even though he knew they lost by then. Granted he was confused, but, huh?
Steve, I think hindsight is everything. It seems to me that in the flush of the moment and as the audience eagerly awaits the announcement of the winner, one is going to fumble a bit. I am sure both Beatty and Dunaway wish they had handled this with more grace but we all cannot all be as quick as David Niven who famously quipped,”How brave it was of him to show us his shortcomings” after a streaker ran across the stage.
Actually, Addison … the country saw an example of what to do when Adele stopped her performance at this month’s Grammy Awards. (If you see something, SAY SOMETHING!) It would appear Beatty (and perhaps Dunaway) was uncomfortable and knew in their gut something was not right. But like that buffoon Steve Harvey last year, they just trudged-on ahead without the stone that Adele had when she said “No, something is not right, I’m not going to ruin this for George!” and she insisted the error be addressed. Granted, it was a live show … but in the time that three… Read more »
Or apparently as classy or appropriate to the event as David Niven, either, Addison! I don’t believe this British “officer and a gentleman” WWII-decorated Army vet ever felt the need to commandeer an awards show to air his political views or bash an American president in public…
I completely agree with you Addison. I actually felt bad for Beatty. Seems to me, which I posted, that he was confused….yet at the same time not sure of himself. I think, for some reason, he froze. Like, what if I say it’s the wrong card (in front of a world-wide audience) and I’m wrong. So, it looked to me like he handed it to Dunaway to confirm his suspicions…but because he didn’t convey his doubt (LOL, he really did look like a deer in the headlights) she just hastily saw La La Land and read it. Yes, of course,… Read more »
Betting on the Oscars? Seriously people will you turn everything into betting?
Anything that has humans involved at some point is going to encounter errors and to act like it’s the end of the world is just ridiculous.
A mistake was made, was corrected, and an apology made. Stuff happens, move on.
I know. I thought her comment was in poor taste and certainly didn’t need to be repeated here.
No one saw any of these movies anyway so it really doesn’t matter
Seriously? La La Land has generated over $300 Million at the box office worldwide. Moonlight is more of an indie film but quite remarkable nonetheless.
Yes I agree with you Mark, the Oscars were a mess. Lol
A mess? I thought it was fantastic…from Timberlakes’ fantastic musical opening, Kimmel a great host whom I love and thought was hilarious…to the fantastic sest design which was pure Hollywood glamour.
Very entertaining and well done. Loved it!
I didn’t even bother watching, Phillip. But, I heard it described just as you say. A mess.
But, of course, anyone who maligns or throws classless jabs at the President has no respect for himself or his country, no matter who “holds court”. The same applies to those who find great satisfaction in wanting him to fail. Respect the office if not the man. And the pot calls me black.
I am surprised the mix-up wasn’t blamed on the President, as well……everything else is.
Respect a man that has shown no respect for anyone or anything? A man that has spoken about women the way he has, military veterans, disabled people, Latinos, Muslims, the list goes on, the man that argues with people on Twitter and behaves like a grade school bully. I don’t think so. I don’t care if he’s the President, the King, or who he is, respect is earned not given. I’ll respect him the same way Republicans respected Obama.
@Brian. Hi, Brian, I hear you, believe me. I did say respect the office, if not the man. I would love to move on. I am so tired of everything…everywhere I turn. There’s no escape, it seems. I would just love for some peace and give him a chance. But, the continuing antagonistic behavior, especially from the Hollywood elitists, who have no clue, is getting old and stale. I always hope for the best. There is also so much exaggerstion going on, Brian. We all had our say, either agreeing or disagreeing. It is time to stop and hope for… Read more »
A totally hot, unnecessary mess, Phillip!!!! Quite frankly, the only suspense I garnered from the whole proceedings was the question of whether a Viola Davis victory would trigger another stratospheric Twitter meltdown from NLG….
I saw both Moonlight and La La Land and loved them both! They are both great works of art.
From,
No One.
i havent seen a movie in five years…too costly, and i have grown tired of award shows that really arent about winning awards anymore-
Totally agree with you.
I do not go to the movies, either, Jimmy. We only go to Disney movies when out, with the kids.
There are many who will not honor some of these Hollywood leftists. ….sort of a boycott.
Amen, jimh!….I have pretty much given up on all forms of entertainment that emanate from these cosseted liberal luvvies….the Oscars were every bit as disgraceful and despicable as I expected them to be, and the fact that they once again posted diminished ratings demonstrates just how out-of-touch these people are with patriotic Americans who don’t care to hear their bloviating blather time and time again. But by all means, let them keep preaching to their leftist choir….they are only alienating an ever-growing portion of the public that has absolutely no use for them, their products or their overinflated opinions of… Read more »
I haven’t seen either movie, but I have heard several people say that they fell asleep during LaLaLand. I guess the middle of the movie was very slow.
I found the ending of the Oscars quite entertaining! It was great fun! Nice to see that life happens to everyone. 🙂
LOL, Abruzzfan…the title alone, “LaLa Land” would send anyone into the arms of Morpheus.
It was not Warren and Faye’s fault, although Faye did get a little eager. Warren should probably have said, hold on a mo, and turned to producers for help/clarification. Guess Price Waterhouse needs to make some changes to their procedure. Also, they should have cut the mike off when they realized the mistake.
@Mo – I agree with you that Warren should have spoken up and pointed out that he did not have the correct card.
It was a human mistake, but made the show better if you ask me. No one is gonna die from this so let’s not crusifie anyone.
Hmmm I thought all of Hollywood was leaving the country when the Trumpster got in? Keep running your mouths for three hours see how those box office tickets do for you!
And i was willing to help pack Rosie O’donnell’s bags…
You wouldn’t have to, jimh….That line would be at least as long those queuing up for a Trump rally, and I suspect our president himself would happily do that job as a public service to the country! He’d probably even offer “AirTrumpOne” to help spirit away that miserable example of humanity from our shores….
Good for you, kay. You truly know how to turn a word.
More like we have this uncanny ability to elicit a Pavlovian response….as well as live rent-free 24/7 in one’s mind….actually, quite a bit of psychological food for thought going on there……
@k/kay….Who else would even want them????
My gosh just watched Casey Affleck in Manchester by the sea !!! Gosh awful I will never get that two hours back of my life!
I was thrilled to see Faye & Warren together, wow 50 years of their awesome movie, I feel bad for them, but Faye is not worried about it and it was not their fault. They were given the wrong card.
In the end glad LA LA LAND did not win, and the Moonlight did win, though Mel Gibson’s movie was awesome, Garfield nailed this true story.
Oh well like they say we all make mistakes and you learn from them and move on!
It was one of those woulda, shoulda, coulda, moments– but there is a silver lining in this– most of us can’t remember which film won best picture last year or the year before that or the year before that etc…… but NOBODY will forget the year MOONLIGHT won because of this mistake—- and it will also be in history reels about Oscar highlights for all time— so in a way– this film which in the past would not have even been nominated will never be forgotten–
Are all the people who were listed in the “In Memoriam” segment really dead or were some of them prematurely announced dead???????????????????????????????????????????
I will never watch the Oscars again!
There was a wrong picture used for a lady who is dead. The picture used is of a woman who is still alive. This mistake should never have happened.
Yes, Mo, I thought I should google my question and there it was. As far as I could see, they didn’t announce any wrong deaths by name, but the wrong picture is still disgraceful!
It’s a shame to see a story about the Oscars turn into an occasion for people to turn this forum into political ugliness. No thank you. I get enough of that every time I turn on the TV, go on Facebook or Twitter, hell when I step into the lunch room at work. Do we have to turn this page into a Fox News or MSNBC comments section? Good lord, give me a break. I watch the Oscars every year, I have for as long as I can remember. I usually watch it with a group of friends, and we… Read more »
Thought I would try to find a little humor in what happened. Anyone can make a mistake, and someone will become accountable for it, but remember income tax season is coming up. Make sure you check your accountant’s results. 🙂 But I do wonder why some commenters give a pass to particular candidates who had/have no respect for the office of the President or the man in office at the time, in words and documented deeds, when campaigning. And even have problems with some soap characters similar behavior, but cry foul when others hold up a mirror to their leader… Read more »
What a mess! After bashing Trump all night the Oscars got their karma. The horrified look on Meryl Streep when this happened was all worth it.
This year’s Oscars also had the lowest ratings in 9 years. People are tired of the rich and entitled celebs preaching their liberal agenda to us.
Be it karma, or even, dare I say it, “Divine Intervention?” Whatever it was, it was absolutely BEAUTIFUL, Blake!!!!!
I thought the tour bus bit was cute for a minute but then they stayed with it too long and fussed over a couple tourists and ignored the others.
I noticed that Faye Dunaway made a quick exit……
Maybe she’ll change her name to Faye Runaway
Maybe she ran away to retrieve a “wire hanger” to beat the envelope guy with…
…or Warren LoL
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SATURDAY: Day of Days 2020 Virtual Fan Event
Days of our Lives fans from all the United States and abroad are counting down till this Saturday, November 21st for the first-ever Day of Days virtual fan event.
The annual NBC fanfest usually held live is this year adapting to the changes and challenges due to the coronavirus pandemic, and thus the network along with the iconic 55-year-old soap opera are offering a free online event with a brand new event site to engage with and watch content throughout the entire day.
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Simply log on to DayofDays2020.com to watch … and follow along for show information on the official Days of our Lives social media accounts on Twitter, Facebook and Instagram as well. Below is a breakdown by day-part of what fans can expect.
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The festivities kick-off at 10 am EST/7 am PST. The cast will appear in various Q&A sessions where they will banter with each other and answer some of your burning questions, plus there will be quizzes and trivia challenges; a virtual behind-the-scenes set tour with an exclusive look at Salem in 2020; “at-home” content with cast members; and much more.
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Look for the following to participate in the day-long celebration: Deidre Hall, Drake Hogestyn, Brandon Barash, Robert Scott Wilson, Lauren Koslow, Josh Taylor, Marci Miller, Billy Flynn, Emily O’Brien, Cady McClain, Matthew Ashford, Judi Evans, Wally Kurth, Mary Beth Evans, Stephen Nichols, James Reynolds, Sal Stowers, Lamon Archey, Nadia Bjorlin, Mike Manning, Paul Telfer, Linsey Godfrey, Camila Banus, Isabel Durant, Lindsay Arnold, Bill Hayes, Susan Seaforth Hayes, Eric Martsolf, Arianne Zucker, Stacy Haiduk, Brandon Beemer, Martha Madison, John Aniston, Jay Kenneth Johnson, Lucas Adams, Suzanne Rogers, Galen Gering, Tamara Braun, and Bryan Dattilo.
So, are you excited to watch Day of Days 2020 direct from your homes? Comment below.
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Reckell who appeared on the show for several runs that lasted over four decades, premiered as Bo back in 1983. He then stayed through 1987, came back from 1990 to 1992, again from 1995 to 2012, and back again in 2015 during DAYS 50th anniversary and to wrap his run as Bo, when the character was killed-off, after Reckell made it clear that he wanted to give the audience closure for the character. He later made another return in 2016 to help the character of Hope (Kristian Alfonso) move on with her life. Hard to believe for all of those heart-tugging performances, Peter was nominated only once for a Daytime Emmy.
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