Why should he shut up? He’s made very few statements about this, AFAIK. They treated him poorly, and he’s got a right to state his view.

Firing people without having the decency to tell them to their faces may be common in the soap industry (IDK – just taking you at your word), but that doesn’t mean it’s okay. If it is common, then maybe more soap actors should speak up about it. Maybe then, such a poor practice would stop. I see no point in saying that people should just shut up and accept something unacceptable without complaint – nothing would ever change for the better if people don’t point out the wrongs.

And for the record, everything I’ve seen so far indicates that Brett Claywell and Scott Evans have been classy and reasonable about this mess. If you want to insult someone, insult the higher-ups at OLTL and ABC-D who, as you say they commonly do, can’t be bothered to treat their actors with respect in these circumstances.

BottomChef is probably Valentini or Frons, so , don’t listen to a word, and don’t even dignify that crap rationale with a response.

The kish actors have every right to speak their minds and say things not “nice” re OLTL. So it’s ironic that you’re proclaiming that the Kish actors have those rights, but anyone including myself who disagrees w/ the Kish actors should (in your words) “STFU”. That’s a double standard. Are the kish fans fighting what they perceive to be an alleged double standard against kish? Yes, so practice what you preach. The Kish actors can speak their minds, and people who do not agree w/ them can speak their minds as well. They are actors and public figures, so they should expect to be scrutinized.

This isn’t a Kish fanboard. This board is abt all kinds of Daytime topics therefore it should be open to many kinds of opinions. The kish actors and their fans do have a right to share their opinions, but I completely disagree w/ their opinions. There are a few instances where I actually agree w/ actors who speak out abt what went down in their soaps, and these actors are usually vets. Some Daytime vets are like founding members of their soaps. They contributed so much to their respective shows and to the medium that when they’re treated shabbily, they do have more of a right to speak abt it.

Take Daytime super icon Eric Braeden’s (thankfully) temporary departure from Y&R. Did he make the media rounds? Yes. He went to far less media outlets than the kish actors. But Braeden still made the rounds, vehemently complaining abt the way Sony executives allegedly treated him in the negotiations. Although Braeden is very intelligent and speaks eloquently, was his complaining a turn off? At times. But what made it palatable, acceptable and understandable is he’s freaking Eric Braeden! He is a LARGE component of why Y&R is successful. He’s been on Y&R since the early 80s. He’s extremely important to Y&R. In an interview Braeden even mentions how Bill Bell created Victor as a stand in for Bill Bell. Victor has that godlike power, w/c Bill Bell had in Daytime. Y&R is number 1 in the ratings in many respects bec of Braeden and Victor. That’s not an opinion, it’s a fact.

Lucci’s Daytime’s number 1 diva, Braeden’s Daytime’s King. He’s contributed so much to the success of Daytime. He’s worth his million dollar payday w/c is unheard of in soaps. He’s even been in 1 of the most successful films of all time, Titanic. I can’t tell you how many str8 men I know watch Y&R bec of Victor. Straight men want to be him, Straight women want to be w/ him. When Morrow and Rowell were asked w/c char they’d want to play, they automatically say Victor. The point is Braeden and Victor are essential to Y&R and to Daytime. The moment Victor left Y&R, it went off its axis. Y&R would struggle w/o Victor and Braeden. Y&R would need a revamp w/o him, since everything ties into Victor.

But OLTL can survive w/o Kish. They’re not tied to a core family like ATWT’s Luke. They’re not the children of the show’s main diva like AMC’s Bianca. That makes them all the more expendable. Claywell’s a good actor. An Emmy does not mean an actor’s good, but I do think Claywell will get a nom bec of the publicity of the kish brouhaha and bec of his acting. He carried kish. Kish was axed bec of the political overtones, Carlivati’s bad writing and Evans’s acting. The kish actors, Duplaix, Hunt and Clifton didn’t help w/ the ratings so they’re out.

There’s no comparison between Braeden and the kish actors. They shouldn’t even be in the same sentence. The kish actors are only hurting their chances of being employed in other mediums or in other soaps when they say unflattering things abt OLTL bec they’re newbies. Darnell Williams and Angie Hubbard are groundbreaking since they’re Daytime’s first black supercouple. Does that mean AMC can never write them off the show bec they’re the first black supercouple? Does that give them job security? Of course not. Yes Kish broke ground by having sex onscreen despite Evans’s distracting facial expressions during the sex scene. That’s a lot more than Y&R’s cop out of Adam and Rafe. the axing of Rafe and Bierdz’s Philip, and the nonexistence of Adam’s bisexuality. Kish broke ground, but does that mean they’re special now and should never be written off if OLTL needs to trim its cast? NO.

The problem w/ the kish actors is they’re acting like they’re entitled to their jobs bec they “acted their hearts out” and they played the first gay guys to have sex onscreen. They don’t get gold stars for doing what they’re paid to do. And the fact that they’re intimating that this is a homophobia issue is worse. ABC’s not homophobic. They let Rianca marry onscreen, they let Kish have sex onscreen. That’s a whole lot better than no lgbtq chars ever for Days and B&B. MAB mentioned thru TVGC that she’s invested in telling lgbtq arcs. Bierdz’s Philip has been axed, Rafe disappeared and no one ever mentions Adam’s bisexuality. ABC has a far better track record than other soaps.