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The Ronn Moss Interview – The Bold and the Beautiful

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Perhaps 2012 will go down as the year of the behind-the-scenes soap opera shockers, and thus far, there has been none more surprising then the sudden departure of The Bold and the Beautiful’s Ronn Moss!  After over 25 years of playing the debonair male romantic lead of the series, Ridge Forrester, Moss decided to call it quits over a month ago amidst reports of being asked to take a pay-cut that did not sit well with the popular soap star.  But there is much more to this story, as a calling to move on and try a different direction with his professional life, the ever-changing face of daytime, and more importantly the ever-changing face of The Bold and the Beautiful, all seemed to factor into his decision.

On-Air On-Soaps chatted this week with Moss, just as fans are about to see his final appearance as Ridge on today’s episode of B&B, shortly after Ridge and Brooke (Katherine Kelly Lang) married each other, yet again, or as they say, “One mo’ time!”  And this time, from what we understand, the happy couple go off on their honeymoon, only when Brooke does return Ridge will not be in tow, since Ronn’s decision to depart the soap had to be dealt with rather quickly by B&B’s executive producer, and head writer, Brad Bell.

So is Ronn Moss truly gone for good?  Would he consider a return to the series?  How would he feel about a recast if the show were to go down that road?  And how was it filming the emotional final scenes between him and Katherine Kelly Lang, where Bridge fans from all around the world will need their Kleenex boxes, just as much as Ronn and Katherine did?  Find out all of this and so much more in our heartfelt and farewell chat with Moss, whose departure leaves a huge hole in many fans hearts worldwide. But fear not, after you read Ronn’s parting words below, you can keep up with him via www.devronnsblog.com on all his latest projects, journeys, and upcoming travels!

MICHAEL:

Your last episode as Ridge is airing Friday on B&B, just as Ridge and Brooke said their “I do’s” for yet another time.  It’s been a little over a month since you announced your departure.  How are you feeling knowing Friday is your final airdate?

RONN:

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I feel like 25 years has been a damn good run and I am grateful to have it with everybody. But at a certain point, you have to expand you life.  I have been meaning to do that for years.  We get comfortable with our family and our friends – and when I say family, I mean my co-workers, too.  They have been as much a part of my family as my real family for a lot of years.  But you get comfortable just being there and going along the same way.  And for me, it hit me that, “No.  I don’t want to continue under these circumstances.  It’s time to move on and start on a new road.”

MICHAEL:

Did being asked to take a significant pay cut to continue with B&B make you feel that they did not value your work … especially considering all the years that you put in, and being one of the mega-stars of the B&B brand?

RONN:

I think the way you just stated it is right.  Yes, the pay cut was definitely a part of it, but it was not everything.  But it was definitely a sign to re-evaluate what is going to be important here.  And don’t anybody bring up Jay Leno’s taking a 50% percent pay cut down to $15 million.  There is no relevance whatsoever in that.  (Laughs)  That is a different game, but when you talking a much different scale than that, it is very relevant!  And yeah, I want to feel appreciated, and I feel for what we were doing there was no reason to cut like that.  There are plenty of other ways to make those kinds of cuts.

MICHAEL:

You are iconic and synonymous with The Bold and the Beautiful worldwide!

RONN:

Does anybody think a decision like that was done rashly?  You have to take certain things in life and go, “That doesn’t sit well with me now. Something is off.”  There is a respect that all of a sudden doesn’t seem to be there.  So let’s move to a place where it is more respectful, and where I feel like I am not going to be taken so for granted.

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MICHAEL:

You also were coming off a very bad car accident involving yourself and your wife Devon before this decision to exit B&B.  Did you feel that accident was a wake-up call?   I know I have read in other interviews that you had done that feel there were certain “signs” telling you to go in a different direction in your life, and this one of them.

RONN:

Not really a wake-up call, but I have been talking about the signs that I have been seeing that many people seem to think is too ethereal or hokey.  I know what is going on in my life.  I know what I know, and I know what I see.  I took it as it spun us around, literally! We had a wonderful business meeting before that and that basically said, “OK. You are not going in this direction. You are going in the opposite direction.”   And you have to listen to things like that, and I attached meaning to it.  Now you don’t have to do that, but I chose to do that.  It seemed to fit with a lot of other things that were going along in my life as well.  And you can discount them if you like and pretend they didn’t happen, or they don’t mean anything in the scheme of things.  However, I tend to make them mean something, as I am going in a different direction now, and I want to go on a positive and affirmative new road that I haven’t necessarily traveled.  I am looking so for to it.  But as far as the accident, we are recovering from the actual physical stuff that happened.  Devon and I are still getting through that and it has gone on a lot longer than expected. She was absolutely right when she told me, “You are going to feel the effects of this quite a bit later,” and we are.  So we deal with it.

MICHAEL:

When you made decision to leave B&B, did you and your wife, Devon, and your family sit down and talk things over and shed some tears over this big move and shift in your life?

RONN:

We had a lot of different moments.  There was not one or two specifically, or that we had a tearful sit-down.  It was all real positive and felt completely and totally right.  There was no hesitation whatsoever.  I think all the things that happen add up. And, you have to make a strong decision.  It surprised a lot of people for sure, as nobody expected me to be that bold, but I had to.  I had to for my own survival.   I know many of the fans feel I let them down, or abandoned them.  No, I have not abandoned them.  I am still with them.  I have been doing this for 25 years!  At one point am I released, so that I can go, “OK, guys?  I need a break from this!”

MICHAEL:

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Since the “official” announcement from you that you were leaving B&B, there had been everything on Twitter for you from an outpouring of love and support, to disappointment, and even some feeling that you abandoned them!

RONN:

Basically, people can’t handle change. They don’t want things to change and so they lash out at you a little bit, and this is a very small percentage of a reaction that I felt.  But I know what’s out there, and I have tried my best to dissuade it as best I can.  I would say 95%-97% of the people have been very positive, and are looking forward to the future and wishing me well, as I do for B&B. 

MICHAEL:

Will you watch your last episode Friday?

RONN:

I will probably watch it, but I don’t know if I am going to watch it live when it’s on.  I will definitely tape it.

MICHAEL:

I watched the CBS promo and I was getting all choked up watching Katherine Kelly Lang (Brooke) your long-time scene partner, getting all choked up looking at you during Ridge and Brooke’s wedding vows.  I have heard from Katherine that this tape day was so emotional for her.  How did you get through it?

RONN:

Oh, I wasted that day, and I don’t mean the drug-fashion. (Laughs)   The two of us were completely basket cases.  It was so hard to get through.  We could not look at each other in the eyes or we would have just lost it.  This was the culmination of so much emotional stuff that we have had.  We had to get through it, and to get through the day, but it was intense!

MICHAEL:

As viewers, we see the two of you reciting these vows and the gazes into each other’s eyes, and we realize you two have been so intertwined and integral for 25 years of daytime television!

RONN:

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We have lived these people’s lives as alter egos to ourselves.  It has been a second life for us for all these years.  I can’t slough that off, or say that didn’t matter.  I don’t think people really know how intense living that is.  Yes, it is a character on a TV show, but it took an enormous amount of our real lives to do, and that we dedicated ourselves to.  I feel wonderful that I was a part of that, and I feel wonderful that I am now able to go and experience other aspects of my life that I have been wanting and missing.  Now is the time to do it.  Life is getting much shorter.

MICHAEL:

I think it may have been more difficult and worse if you made the announcement that you were departing the series, and then there were several months to go before your last tape date.   This way, it all happened very fast.

RONN:

Once I made the decision, I then only had a couple days left to tape.  And, I would not have said anything except for Susan Flannery (Stephanie, B&B) blurting it out on a soundstage.  She just blurted out that she and I were leaving.  And whoever was in earshot of that heard it and went, “What? What? What?”  So it was out there and people started tweeting about it.  I was going to keep it under wraps, because I had to get through those two days.  But in the end, I could not keep it a secret.

MICHAEL:

How was it for you, when you packed up your dressing room and exited the CBS soundstages?

RONN:

That went as I would have anticipated it for almost 23 years.  I have always kept my dressing room the way it was, so I could just walk out.  A lot of people make it very personal and hang up a lot of pictures and bring in all their stuff from home.  I never did that.  I wanted it to be kind of a transient place, even though I lived there for half my life.  So I cleaned it out a couple of days before the final tape date, and walked out and that was it.   I was totally emotionally prepared to do that because I never emotionally invested in it that way.  I kept the dressing room that way on purpose.

MICHAEL:

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Was the fact that the show was focusing on the younger characters and not Ridge, part of your other issue with the series?  Was it that Ridge was not being given his due as one of the “core four” characters to drive story?  Or, did you feel it was a natural progression of what we unfortunately see many times in daytime when the veterans get kicked to the curb?  With Peter Reckell (Bo, DAYS) leaving, Steve Burton (Jason, GH) announcing he is departing daytime as well, and you going, I feel like Bette Midler in The Rose, saying “Where’s everybody going?”

RONN:

Well, I don’t know if that’s a natural progression.  I won’t lie and say that it wasn’t a factor, of course it was.  When you are feeling like you are less than, why stay?  But let the show do as they see fit, I am fine with it. 

MICHAEL:

So are you standing by the “This is it”, or are you going to comment, “Never say never” when the subject comes up if you would ever consider returning to B&B as Ridge?

RONN:

I have decided to subscribe to “Never say never,” but I need a break.  But I have been through enough experiences where I have to eat those words, whenever I say it’s a definite thing like that.  So, I just will leave that open.

MICHAEL:

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During your final tape day, did anybody say anything that resonated with you that will stay with you and in your heart forever?

RONN:

Everything!  Lots of it.  One of our stage managers did a little texting with me back and forth this other morning, and it was lovely.   Yeah, that continues and I think it’s just going to get more intense down the road, actually.

MICHAEL:

Now that it’s been a month since the decision was made public, was there ever a moment, now looking back, of “What the hell did I just do?”

RONN:

No. Never.  I am pretty resigned to go ahead and move forward.  As I said, I am moving forward in a positive way and it’s even getting more positive than I expected.  I can’t go in to that now, and that will be a different conversation down the road, if things materialize.  I think it’s going to be really great.

MICHAEL:

Is music a big part of this next evolution in your career, since you have been part of the band Player since the 70’s?

RONN:

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Music is definitely a big part of this.  Peter Beckett and myself have been, and are, Player.  We just released a new set of songs, which is going to be our best collection ever.  I am really looking forward to doing the tour.  We are going to form a tour beginning in Europe, and hopefully bring it back to the States.  But I am so looking forward to playing live!  Playing rock and roll live, there is nothing like it.

MICHAEL:

Is acting still something you want to pursue?

RONN:

Oh yeah!  There are acting projects and that is part of the big change that is happening.  We are formulating some movie projects right now that will be absolutely fantastic. I want to go back to doing movies.

MICHAEL:

When you have seen first-hand what is going on contract-wise in daytime, do you envision that the daytime soaps (knowing what you know and being on one for 25 years) can survive five more years, and possibly continue on after that?

RONN:

I think they will continue on.   I am just not sure if they will be on network television.  I think everything, if you are smart, will go online.  I believe cable television and online formats will be where it’s at.  Networks will eventually phase out, because people will not watch things in real time.  They will watch things at their leisure, and everything will have to accommodate for that.  There is so much of a different world out there online and a lot of different possibilities.   I think if shows grow and change that way, they can grow and continue and morph into other things.  But going along the way they are?  No. You can’t survive that way, because there is a reason that people follow programs and it’s not to just provide them with the cheapest common denominator.  When you do that, you will lose the core audience and the reason they tuned-in in the first place.

MICHAEL:

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Have you had conversations with Susan Flannery about both your exits from The Bold and the Beautiful, and what a huge shake-up it will be for the canvas?

RONN:

Oh yeah, we have talked quite a bit and so did Katherine and John McCook (Eric, B&B). We all met and discussed a lot of things.  I think Susan and Katherine and I will get together soon and have a little pow-wow amongst all of us, and talk about future things.

MICHAEL:

If B&B were to ever re-cast Ridge, how would you feel?

RONN:

I would feel betrayed.  I would feel like my 25 years really didn’t mean anything.  I would also feel that I absolutely made the right choice.

MICHAEL:

Did Brad Bell and you leave on bad or OK terms?

RONN:

We left on great terms.  I still love him.  I am sure he thought we should just stay and continue with no change of anything, but everything had changed.

MICHAEL:

Obviously, The Bold and the Beautiful contributed highly to your huge popularity overseas!

RONN:

I think the music part of my career, as well as B&B, contributed to my success overseas.  Our music played very heavily in Australia, and Peter Beckett’s influence with being part of Little River Band was big part of it as well.  But yes, the show was a big part of it, but that was not the only thing.  But now I think I will have a closer touch with those countries and the foreign territories than I did before, because now I have time to be there.  I would totally love to come down to Australia.  We are working on doing some movies and charity functions there right now. And, Katherine and I are about to take off and go over to Italy for a week and half, too!

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MICHAEL:

When you take a moment to reflect back, is there a Ridge or Ronn moment during your time at B&B that was a defining for you as an actor, or the character you created, or a big memory of your time there?

RONN:

The biggest memory of my time at B&B is not story-related.  It’s not even character-related.  The last day will very much be ingrained in my psyche now, from a very emotional point of that is when everything was changing.  But, my biggest memory that I will carry from B&B is how much of a family it is, and was for me for the last 25 years. It’s a huge family – between crew, actors, everybody.  And I will carry that, as that is the warmest thought I have of everybody, and seeing these people every day.  I will carry that, and for me that’s fine.  I don’t need a story point or a character element to remember that.  There are too many of those!

MICHAEL:

You have got to pinch yourself, when you think of your journey as Ridge harkening all the way back to the beginning as Ridge the playboy!  You were part of that, no matter how it ended.   It was 25 years of this role on B&B, and you became very well known to television audiences domestically and internationally.  Cool?

RONN:

It’s very cool!  And I will hold that for the rest of my life.   I feel very fortunate to have been part of this show, and part of this big family of ours. There’s the big emotion of it.

MICHAEL:

Is there something you would like to say to your fans you feel has not been communicated, or that you would like to add to what you have already said publicly?

RONN:

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Just that I hope that they keep the faith and the spirit of what hopefully I did for that long with Ridge in their lives.  And, let it be with me.  Let me take that as my memento.  But also to hang in there with me and know that I am not abandoning them, but that I am including them and taking them on what could be a far greater journey.  I hope they keep their minds and awareness open, and let’s see what the roads have to offer.

MICHAEL:

Do you think you will watch B&B in the future?  Reports are that Katherine will be getting a new love interest!  That may be odd for you to watch.

RONN:

I don’t know.  I will see.  I can’t say I wouldn’t watch it.  I have no reason not to watch it. I have so many other things I want to do.  And Michael, I wasn’t even able to watch the show when I was on it! (Laughs)  I always keep busy and I am seldom just sitting around with nothing to do.

MICHAEL:

And tell me the latest on Ronn’s Garage, the web series you have going through your website!

RONN:

It’s building and I am working on the next episode.  I am not telling people who the next guest will be, but I want it to be a huge surprise.   It’s a very fascinating person! (Laughs)  I am hoping to have it up by October 1st.  I want to get the episodes up in a more timely fashion.  The accident through me off.  My shoulder got fractured in three pieces, and that kind of set us back, but I am back on track.  I want to morph into something else, which we will talk about later, as well.

MICHAEL:

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I have to tell you, personally, I was sad when you announced your departure from B&B.  But then I was so happy about it!  I was like “Good for you.”  You have always been a friend of mine throughout the years we have done interviews together, and our time together in this genre.   So I had all of those emotions going on.   It was very bittersweet.

RONN:

Good and thank you.  Michael, you as well have been part of this.  We have a big respect for what you do and the way you have done it. You have always been right on the money, very fair and very honest.  No b***s that I can discern for anything you have done, so bless you for that!

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Michael
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Michael

I watched the Thursday, September 13th episode where Ridge and Brooke got married. Then tune in on Friday only to be completely disappointed with the episode all together. Brad Bell cheated Ronn Moss out of a proper farewell after 25+ years on B&B and I have to think that Brad was punching Ronn in the gut by not giving him his proper due. What really should have happened is this: The wedding should have aired today, the 14th and at the end of the episode, Ridge and Brooke walk out the front door only to have Ronn Moss turn around… Read more »

e johnson
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e johnson

Hated to see Ridge leave, but I never like Brook. So Ridge I wish you well.

Mike
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Mike

I agree with you on hating to see Ridge leave. He played a big role on the series, however I disagree with you about Brooke. I was always hoping that Ridge and Brooke would always remain together. I am going to miss that.

Claire Churnac
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Claire Churnac

Don’t thank that jerk (Brad Bell) for anything. I wish I knew that was his (Ridge) last day..or maybe not… I think I would have cried-me-a-river..and then I wouldn’t have enjoyed their wedding.

LJ
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LJ

betrayed? after he held out for more money? some of us are starving out here and he can’t act for anything (did he have lessons?) so he should count his flippin blessings.

LLM
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LLM

I think every actor has the right to leave the medium and make choices that are right for them. Some may do it for money, some may do it for variety, some may do it because they are burnt out. And shows have the right to offer what they want/are willing to pay and actors have the right to say no. But NO actor has a permanent lock or right to any character in soap opera. Recasts are a major part of the medium. Whether it’s Ronn Moss stating that a recast would be a betrayal or Vanessa Marcil stating… Read more »

LJ
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LJ

Even Susan Lucci was recastable.

Sheryl Postin
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Sheryl Postin

Good luck Ronn, you ill be missed, your a great actor and we will probably see you soon somewhere else.

Barbara Hall
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Barbara Hall

Do not like Thornston Kaye as Ridge….too scruffy looking.

ethel
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ethel

what a sincere interview & i applaud ronn in the decision he made to leave – i feel that b&b threw him under the bus & have no respect or consideration for his 25 years on the show – soaps are just like any other part of corporate america believing that younger is better & the mature folks need to step aside – i started watching soaps almost 50 years ago because they were about life but now all soaps want to show is life revolving around only the 20 somethings and life includes all ages………

Prunhild
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Prunhild

Even for me, a NO-BRidge-fan, i was shocked and disgusted, how bell wrote the last episode as a total BROOKE-episode! The way he wrote this laughable words, that stephanie loves brooke and the boring “to-many-times-repeat-BRidge-wedding-scenes” was to much for me. i turned of before episode was finished. maybe i will watch again on dvd, but i tell you guys: this will now become a KKL & JY- show! And as for STEPHANIE portrayer Susan: i spent 25 years adoring you and beeing big fan of your character. But as a BROOKElover you are now, i am fine with STEPHANIE out,… Read more »

bc
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bc

Bravo to B&B for cutting Moss. Daytime soaps are not lucrative machines. Jay Leno is a good example. He should have taken the pay cut. Actors are paid too much when all an actor does is blocking and saying the lines. That’s pretty much all there is to acting. Whether an actor is good is subjective. I refuse to even read recaps of B&B anymore and 60 something Moss’s complaints are more reasons to stay away from this soap.

Deborah Kallus
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Deborah Kallus

As an actor….all I can say is I would like to buy him for what he is truly worth and sell him for what he thinks he is worth….Then I would be sitting on easy street.

I say Good Bye and Good Riddance….

Therese Dunphy
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Therese Dunphy

Ronn Moss and the rest of the core four are what made B&B worth watching. In his bid to capture a new generation of viewers, the show has turned into an endless teeney bopper video that holds absolutelly no appeal. Ridge and Brooke were one of soap’s great love stories, and Ronn earned every cent he’s made over the years. Thanks for all the great years of entertainment Ronn!

Lisa
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Lisa

wish you well in all you do.

marciaSYDNEY.Australia
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marciaSYDNEY.Australia

Family and friends laugh at the fact I’ve watched B&B since the very first episode, but to me, its not just because of the soap itself that I continue to show my loyalty. It’s because of the pure nostalgia it has created in my life. I basically grew up with Ridge and Brooke, and remember my first born child singing along to the opening theme song of Bold from its earliest episodes. So, to see Ridge leave this love story is emotional, not because I naively live vicariously thru BRIDGE, but rather, because it feels like a friend who has… Read more »

marciaSYDNEY.Australia
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marciaSYDNEY.Australia

@RonnMoss: true fans don’t need to be convinced that a future “faux Ridge” will somehow be able to emulate ur onscreen chemistry with KKL, as u will always be the glue that binds B&B

Kim lynn
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Kim lynn

Thank you Ronn moss for a wonderful ridge. I wish you had a better ending and I’m very sad with the way soaps are headed…

Marilyn
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Marilyn

In this economy, these people should feel grateful to have jobs; when so many don’t. In my opinion, there’s a lot of arrogance going on here. Very few people in this world feel that they are paid what they deserve, but they don’t just walk away. So be it. I’m sorry to see him go, but he’s made his choice. If he later regrets it, so be that too.

vfocused
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vfocused

Just finally read this interview and want to say. I really hope Ron can get pay to come back at least for one more episode. Susan will be leaving and hopefully Ron will work something out with Bell just to return to send Stephanie off. I respect Ron Moss if no one else does. 25 years is a long time to leave due to these circumstances but I do respect his decision as Hunter Tylo said and understand it. I really do wish you the best Ron but pray that you try to return for one episode of the celebration… Read more »

Sheila
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Sheila

vfocused hits this on the nail for me, I concur, and would like to see Ridge Forester as (Ronn Moss) celebrate Stephanie’s life, and come on back this last time. Maybe silently visiting Momma Stephanie’s grave and visiting his children on the set for closure, I remember the phone call when Stephanie asked him not to come home, on one of the episodes, where she was in her final stage of cancer, that relapased, however, the oldest son paying tribute to his mother on the set would be just loving and bold and beautiful!! Bless you, Ridge.

k/kay
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k/kay

If you ar a fan or not a fan of Ronn Moss check out Ronns garage on the web it really is quite fun and a totally different side to him. A girlfriend of mine who still lives in California turned me on to it it really is clever. He really looks like he is having fun it is a nice change of pace. Pure fun check it out!

Mike
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Mike

I am hoping that Ronn Moss comes back. He is a great actor. Ronn Moss & Katherine Kelly Lang were my 2 favorites on the series. That will make my day when he returns.

lynn
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lynn

Ridge was always one of my favorites Brook I really didn’t like she stayed to much with the family men I will truly miss Ron Moss .I wish him all the happiness and success .There should never be another Ridge played by anyone else it will never be the same. I enjoyed watching you.

Gina
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Gina

Ridge and Brooke were the best! I have watched B&B since the beginning and I was shocked that he was leaving and certainly wished the farewell was different. It was so fake…Brooke and Ridge to have split up over a text from Deacon! Money should have never been the issue because the high ratings for all of these years were so much because of the role of Ronn Moss. I hope he finds all of the happiness and peace he truly deserves.

Debbie
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Debbie

Ronn deserved a hell of a better send off than that! Hate how Brooke became Stephanie’s new best friend after all her and Taylor have been through!

The writers are sinking their own battleship!!!

patrick
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patrick

never did like Ridge as an actor or lack of being an actor.

joyce davis
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joyce davis

i hated to see ridge leave. he was brooks rock and i have always loved them together. the attraction was awesome. now taylor ruined her looks with all of the botox and glad to see her leave. she looks stupid with eric. and i pray hope finally finds happiness with liam. stephy and taylor need to take a pernmanent break. . i would love to see brook back witth eric. guess we will see. but bye bye talor and stephy!!!!!

tina jones
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tina jones

Ridge please come back I hate the way brooms is treating katie cause she has been with every man on the show an katie is the one with the good heart please come back an teach bill a lesson

Elizabeth Harrison
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Elizabeth Harrison

My oh my some are biting him in the but while others are praising him. I have watched the show sense it’s conception . And I have always been a fan or Ronn’s I will always remain a fan. Yes they recast him with the old zac from All My Children which i will always see him as zac. But that is not the point. The point is that he maid a decision to change things for his personal self he gave all of the fans 25 dedicated yrs of his life. He basically grew his life on the show.… Read more »

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And who better to take on the challenge of trying to make Amanda and Devon a couple to root for then the talented Morgan.  In recent scenes, viewers watched as Amanda learned the harsh reality from her biological mother, Naya (Ptosha Storey), that she gave her and her sister up at birth and never really regretted it! Mishael played those scenes as you would expect for all they were worth and then some.

Michael Fairman TV chatted with the Trinidadian-Canadian Morgan, as the United States marked Martin Luther King Day on Monday – a holiday that holds a special place for her – and then the inauguration of Joe Biden and Kamala Harris as President and Vice-President of the United States on Wednesday and its historical significance.

 

While Mishael shares her thoughts on these moments of our time, we also do a deep-dive into how she created a second life in Genoa City and the challenges of playing a twin and making her unique and different, plus what fans should look forward to in the months ahead, which to us looks like it could be a love triangle between Elena (Brytni Sarpy), Devon, and Amanda.  And, as the second anniversary of the death of Kristoff St. John (Neil Winters) is fast approaching, Morgan opens up about the impact her former co-star had on her daytime career.  Here’s what Mishael had to say about it all below.

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Yesterday was such a historic day watching the swearing in ceremony of Kamala Harris, as Vice-President of the United States.  She is the first woman, first Black woman, first Indian woman, so many firsts to hold this office.  I just wanted to get your thoughts from watching it.  What was it like for you?

MISHAEL:  For me it was such a beautiful moment, and such a defining moment because now there is no person in America who can feel like they can’t do it all, that they can’t make it to the highest level of office, or at least one of the highest levels of office.  I think that is going to transform this country and the world in many ways because the rest of the world really does pay attention to American politics, and to what goes on in America.  I think it will really have a ripple effect throughout the entire world.  For me, it was so exciting to see this moment actually come to fruition because I think that the impact is even greater than we all could imagine.  You never know who you’re inspiring.

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It was really amazing, and this was also right after Martin Luther King Day and I know you produced your “I Have a Dream” Project.  How was the holiday for you?

MISHAEL:  It was funny because even though I did the MLK project, I didn’t really think that it was something I could really explain to my son.  Then, yesterday my son really wanted to know: “What was Martin Luther King Day about?  Why was it a holiday?”  It was so interesting because I had to come up with a way to explain it to a five-year-old, and what I came up with was so basic but so true.  I just said, “This was a day when Martin Luther King, a very famous man, who was famous because he stood up for everybody’s rights, and he marched to make sure that everybody can do the same things in this country as everyone else no matter how they look,” and that’s what he was.  He wasn’t just a champion for just Black lives.  I think he is a champion for equality, and he is a champion for making sure that we always remember to see each other the same.

Is that what inspired you originally to do your project?

MISHAEL:  Yes.  100%.  I remember being inspired by Martin Luther King as a child when I was learning about him for Black History Month and stuff like that, and then when all of the social unrest happened, I just remembered him again, and it was something that I wanted to explore.  When I started reading about him again, I just became so inspired by him all over again that I wanted to do something, and that’s what really inspired me to do the “I Have a Dream” Project.

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I just hope that we will make strides in our country in stomping out systemic racism – it’s such a deeply-entrenched issue in our society.  A lot of people talk, but we need action to bring change to the system.

MISHAEL:  That’s the thing, I think that this moment, you can’t stop – like the moment when Kamala Harris got sworn in as our Vice-President – you can’t stop the train now because strides will be made that the next generation will look at as normal, and of what it means to be a Black woman or a woman in this country is going to change forever.  It’s the next generation that is really going to continue to move it forward.  So, I think that at the end of the day.  This will always be something that’s remembered.

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Now on to Y&R, I wanted to tell you that these performances that you gave that recently aired were just great.  I always love it when they give you the ball.  How did you feel about the scenes and the storyline, where we learn the deep pain and hurt of Amanda’s childhood and the truth from her mother?

MISHAEL:  I was so excited to play it because for me, I really love telling human stories.  I love diving into that part of myself, and I really know that a huge part of why I am an actor is because I just have this outpouring level of empathy for every life that’s lived.  When I talk to people, and they tell me their stories, I want to take it on because I want to show that beautiful side of humanity.  So being given this story, I wanted to be very careful with it, because I knew that this is a reality for a lot of people.  I also thought about the fact that twin stories have always been done before, paternity stories have been done before, but I have to make sure that it comes from a truly honest place inside of me and a truly empathetic place.  I was excited to take on the challenge to be true to myself, and be true to my artist, and just find the beauty and the honesty in this real human story.

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Ptosha Storey, who played your on-screen mother, Naya, was amazing in the scenes with you.  What was it like working with her and the gravity of it, where this woman is basically unapologetic that she didn’t want her children and she gave them up, and she did not sugar-coat it.

MISHAEL:  Ptosha was amazing.  I loved working with her.  We really got to kind of know each other a little bit.  She has such an interesting story about coming to LA to pursue acting, taking a break from it, (and I don’t want to speak for her), but then really going full-throttle right now when Black, female characters are being played, and she’s getting an opportunity to get back out there and do what she loves to do.  Just listening to her story was so inspiring to me. We had a true respect for each other when we got on the stage, and I think we made some art.

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It was almost like watching a two-person play in those scenes.  What did Amanda feel at this point?  Was she hoping that her mother would say, “I loved you.  I wanted you?”  Was she hoping for a different outcome in her head?

MISHAEL:  I think anybody who goes into a search for their parents is hoping for a positive outcome.  I think for her, it was heartbreaking to hear that if Naya could go back and do it all over again, she would have made the same choices, and also knowing that those choices really impacted Amanda’s life in an incredible way.  I don’t think that all of it has come out yet.  I think a lot of the pain and hurt that she had to go through as a child, and the loneliness that she had to go through as a child, and hearing from a mother that she would put you back in that situation because it was more comfortable for her, and the level of selfishness is hard to take. Then there is the anger and everything that would come out of hearing that from your biological mother.  It’s funny because the way that those scenes were scripted, there was no stage direction, which to me, I love, because a lot times it will say like, “in this moment she is going to get a little angry,” or, “in that moment she is going to be sad,” but for those scenes, for some reason (and they were really juicy scenes) they really didn’t give much direction. I appreciated that because then it really allowed me to really just make the scene what I thought it was and just really live in the moment.  I know this was a roundabout way to answer the question, but yes, it was very heartbreaking because nobody expects that somebody would say that to them.

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It was just so heartbreaking.  I kept thinking, “Maybe she’ll…” but no, Naya just stood her ground on it even though Amanda grew up in a foster home.  She wasn’t the “chosen” twin either!

MIHAEL:  No, and she was never chosen, and I think that’s an interesting thing that you said because she was never chosen, and I then even to this day, as a grown woman, she still isn’t chosen, and that I think is heartbreaking.  It’s an interesting thing because I do happen to have a bit of a personal experience with this.  My father wasn’t in the foster system, but he was raised… kind of farmed out to two aunts as a young child and didn’t really get to have a relationship with his parents until he was older, and with his mother, until he was in his 20s.  So, it was so fascinating watching my father.  I just remember always looking up to him and thinking he was so strong, and so powerful, and never cared about what anybody thought, and because of his upbringing, it made him a very driven person, very much like Amanda, but there was a weird sense of wanting to be good enough when his father was around, or when people talked about his father.  It was very fascinating for me to watch that.  It was like I would see my father almost turn into a child again, just wanting that love.  I think it’s because that is so organic to who we are as human beings that it just never goes away, that need to know that your parents love you, that there are two people in this world who no matter what will be there for you, and they will love you.  That’s a hard reality to come to when you realize that’s not true.  I think that’s something that’s really hard for the human spirit to let go of.

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Yes, and I think what you are saying is also true that you realize as an adult that we are so deeply affected by our childhood and how it plays into our choices, or how we perceive things that happen in our lives.  So, when you think of that, and because you’re a mom, doesn’t it make you feel even more that you want to do right by your kids? That you don’t want to do anything to screw them up in their later years?

MISHAEL:  Yes, it’s true.  It does make you want to be the best person for them and the best example, especially the best example for love.  You want them to feel accepted, and appreciated, and proud, and you want them to know that you’re proud of them.  You want to do everything you can because you think of every single person you may have met who felt like their parents didn’t love them enough, and you want to do every single thing to make sure that your child doesn’t feel that way.  I talked to one of my friends, and they’re like, “My parents never told me that they were proud of me,” and I’m like, “Alright!  Well, Niam, I am so proud of you!” Every day, “I am proud of you!  I am proud!”  It’s like every day I better make sure to tell my kids that I am proud of them, and that I love them.  I was talking to Bryton James about this because I had a disciplinary moment with my son, and you wonder if they are going to take it the way that you take it, but at the end of the day, that might get burned into his memory as “the worst thing that my mom ever did to me,” and meanwhile I thought it was a life lesson that I think he learned.  You kind of have to get rid of that fear that you are going to screw them up because I think it doesn’t matter.  You’re either going to love them too much, or you’re not going to love them enough, and you just have to do the best that you can, and you just hope that it’s good enough.

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Now, you were brilliant as Hilary on Y&R and had this amazing story send-off, and then you came back to the show as Amanda, a new character.  How has it been to try to define Amanda as her own character without the ‘Hilary-isms’, or does it not matter anymore?  Do you feel you have made the distinction for yourself that they are two very different characters?

MISHAEL:  I feel like now they just are different.  It was active choices that I was making in the beginning, and it was important for me in the beginning.  That’s why, for me, when I was bringing Amanda in, I was trying to stay very steady in my tone and how I spoke because Hilary was very, very up and down, and everything was all over the place.  So, for me, that was my beginning moment, just really focusing on how Amanda spoke and how she conducted herself. I can’t change the way that I look, but I feel that the way that I speak and the way that I carry myself will naturally start to define the character.  After a while, when that becomes more second nature, I feel like more of the character comes through … more of how she is and how she takes things in.  That’s just sort of explaining a bit of my process. It’s just the weirdest situation that I never thought I would ever be in, but I definitely feel like a different character for sure!  I do feel like I know who Amanda is now.  In the beginning, when I read the script, all I heard was Hilary.  I really had to think about how I was going to say things because I didn’t want it to sound like Hilary, and now when I read the script, I see Amanda.  I don’t hear Hilary anymore.  It’s become easier for me now to lean more into the role and get more comfortable with it.

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Amanda had said to her mother that she was also robbed of her sister.  How does that play into her whole psyche?  She does know that Devon was deeply in love with her sister, and now she has feelings for him too.  Did she want to meet her sister?  Does she feel robbed of that?

MISHAEL:  She feels very much robbed of that.  For me, it was very important that the time when she discovered that Hilary was her sister and that Hilary was gone, that I’m playing that loss properly.  It was important for me because if you couldn’t believe that Amanda’s heart is truly breaking for her sister, then you can’t believe anything else that’s coming afterwards.  This is a really defining moment for me as an actor playing two characters on the show.  It was really important, leaning into the fact that I had a twin, and I’ll have a connection to a person who doesn’t exist anymore, and really letting that break my heart, and break Amanda’s heart.  Once the audience believes that, then they can really believe that Amanda is a different character.  Then, our amazing fans will start to just buy into it, and they will figure it out, and they will work it out, and they will wrap their heads around it, but for me, it was that they had to believe that Amanda’s heart is truly broken for Hilary, otherwise we can’t hook them.  Amanda and Hilary have to become two separate characters in people’s minds.

Right.  So, after the confrontation with her mother, she runs to Devon, and she is torn up, and he consoles her.  This week he asked her out on a date.  She likes this guy, right? 

MISHAEL:  Yeah, I think she does!  He’s the first person that she met when she came to town, and I think she’s always been impressed by how he treated her even when he hated her, and the more that she learned of him, the more she became impressed by who Devon was, and his patience with all of this. In seeing his vulnerability with Hilary, and everything that he went through, and then seeing his heart being broken because of Elena and Nate, I think all of it together is starting to give these two characters reasons to be okay with exploring something that may seem strange to other people, but you can’t control who you love sometimes.

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Hilary and Devon were such a hugely popular couple.  Do you feel pressure to hit lighting in a bottle, twice?

MISHAEL:  It’s really hilarious because we’re the same people!  Yeah, there is a little bit of pressure because you do wonder if you’re going to be able to create the same magic, especially because Bryton and I have known each other for so long, and we know each other so well now.  Looking back at some of the Hilary and Devon scenes, there is something that is so interesting about it and fun about it because I think Bryton and I were just getting to know each other at the same time.  So, wondering if we are going to be able to recreate that and just make it feel fun and fresh, I think is the worry or the challenge.  I think we will figure it out.  Bryton and I were talking, and the one thing that is missing, or the one thing that we have to get to in terms of the underbelly of Amanda and Devon’s attraction is that Amanda is more like Devon than Hilary ever was.  It’s almost like Devon realizing that the whole journey with Hilary was meant to happen just so that he could meet Amanda.

Isn’t Amanda going to be kind of worried that he was so in love with Hilary and the way that she looked…

MISHAEL:  Well, she doesn’t need to worry because Hilary is dead anyway.  It’s not like she’s coming back!  (Laughs)

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Since the last time you played an on-screen relationship, Bryton is with Brytni Sarpy in real-life, and Brytni is on the show now, and there is all of that.  What has that been like working with Brytni?

MISHAEL:  Oh, I’m so Canadian!  As soon as I got back to the show, I was like, “I’m so sorry,” and she was like, “Why are you sorry?”  I said, “I just feel very sorry that I’m here.  You guys have your real-life love thing going on, and your on-screen love… I feel weird.  I’m happy to be back on the show, but I’m like breaking up the party!”  She’s like, “No!  It’s fun!  It’s fine!  Maybe we’ll be rivals!”  I’m like, “Yeah, okay it’ll be fun!”

I can see a classic soap bitch-fight on the horizon on Y&R!

MISHAEL:  Brytni has been awesome about it.  That’s been great.  We don’t know where it’s going to go, but it’s going to be fun.  They’re also playing with Devon’s love for Elena still.  They still have a pull.  Devon is still looking at Elena.  So, I think it’s going to be interesting either way.

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We are going to have the fan wars again for the couples!

MISHAEL:  That’s even more fun!  I always said I’d rather people be fighting for me to be with this person and that person as opposed to just always with one person because then to me, I kind of wonder, “Is it just this one actor who makes me better?”  I want to be an actor who makes everyone better!  That I can work off of anybody and get that chemistry or that thing that audiences are looking for, that’s what I really challenge myself to do.

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On February 3rd, it’ll be the second anniversary of Kristoff  St. John’s death, which is hard to believe that it will have been 2 years already.  I keep remembering when I first met you.  Kristoff and you were on The Price is Right, but it was also a crossover for your characters, and you were the new girl on Y&R.  Do you still feel his presence at Y&R?

MISHAEL:  A few days ago, I had asked Bryton, who is s actually in Kristoff’s old dressing room, “Do you ever feel Kristoff in there?  In your dressing room?” and he’s like, “No, not really.  Definitely not in my dressing room, but on set sometimes.”  Even though he’s not here, it’s like he’s still with us because you still see him in pictures and sometimes that happens while you are on set doing a scene.  One time, I was on set doing a scene with Christel Khalil (Lily), and I saw a picture of Kristoff in the background, and it’s just kind of a reminder that I think he is always going to be here in terms of his impact on me and my time on the show.  He means a lot to me because I think I am the artist I am largely because of his influence, and how he really took me under his wing and made me feel so comfortable.  He was such a light, and he made acting so fun, but he always had your back as an acting partner and as friend, and I miss him a lot.

Me too.  He was just a wonderful actor too, when you look back on some of the work.

MISHAEL:  Oh my gosh, yes.

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What does Amanda think of Naya’s other daughter, Imani (Leigh Ann Rose)?

MISHAEL:  She’s just irritated by Imani because she basically got to live the life that Amanda should have had essentially. To watch her be up on her high horse to Amanda, it’s laughable because the amount of hoops and obstacles that Amanda has had to go through to get to where she is standing today, somebody like Imani is just a complete joke to her! In Amanda’s mind, she is who she is just because of the opportunities that she was given and because of the family that she was born into.  It was complete luck, and it had nothing to do with hard work.  In Amanda’s eyes, everything that she is and every ounce of who she is, is because of her determination, and the choices that she made, and the obstacles that she overcame.  So, the way that Amanda looks at Imani is like she is just a person who she doesn’t even think could fathom how insignificant Amanda thinks that she is.  There is a deep-rooted resentment for Imani because I just think that Amanda has been through so much.

Would you like to have more scenes between Amanda and Naya and Imani?

MISHAEL:  Yes.I want more scenes with both of them!  Both of them are so amazing.  So, I’d love to work with both Imani/Leigh-Ann and Naya/Ptosha again.

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What can you say to the fans to look forward to?

MISHAEL:  I think I would say that Amanda coming to Genoa City was a really big surprise, and I think that those surprises will continue … ff we want to be as vague as possible! I think there are a lot of things to look forward to because this relationship with Devon is definitely going, and I think it will be interesting to watch how Bryton and I figure that out, which will be fun!

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Big surprises? Hmm.  Are you going to tell me that there are four of you? That Naya really gave birth to quadruplets … and you are about to take on two more roles?

MISHAEL:  Well, you never know!  That’s all I’ll say!

So, what did you think of Mishael’s recent performances where Amanda met her birth mother? Are you rooting for Amanda and Devon to wind up together, or Devon and Elena? What have you thought of Amanda Sinclair vs. Hilary Curtis Hamilton?  Share your thoughts via the comment section below.

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Watch the Replay: GH, DAYS, Y&R, B&B & OLTL Stars at Michael Fairman’s Virtual Birthday Party for SAG-AFTRA Foundation Covid-19 Relief Fund

Earlier this week on Monday night, several of the stars of General Hospital, Days of our Lives, The Young and the Restless, The Bold and the Beautiful, and One Life to Live, took part in a virtual livestream “party” for Michael Fairman’s 60th birthday.

The event was held virtually to help performers in need who have been deeply affected by the Covid-19 pandemic by letting viewers know where to make a donation to the SAG-AFTRA Foundation’s Covid-19 Relief Fund.

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Participating throughout the 90 minute livestream were: The Young and the Restless, Jason Thompson, Sharon Case, and Christian LeBlanc, General Hospital’s Maurice Benard, Laura Wright, Wes Ramsey, and Chloe Lanier, The Bold and the Beautiful’s Katherine Kelly Lang, Days of our Lives’ Rob Scott Wilson, Eric Martsolf, Galen Gering, Arianne Zucker, Shawn Christian, Santa Barbara favorite, A Martinez, One Life to Live’s Kristen Alderson and Eddie Alderson, and Studio City’s Sean Kanan.

You can catch the replay of the birthday benefit event below or on The Michael Fairman Channel on You Tube.

Throughout the evening, the actors shared stories of how they got their SAG card, played a game of Michael’s trivia, and revealed stories about themselves and other “party” guests in a wonderful display of community and camaraderie at all went down live!

Since March of 2o2o, the SAG-AFTRA Foundation has given out more than $6.2 million in emergency aid to over 6,500 SAG-AFTRA performers and their families facing hardship and uncertainty during this pandemic. Thousands of SAG-AFTRA artists have found themselves in dire need of assistance to help pay their rent, buy groceries, cover health care premiums and other bills.  You can still make a donation of any dollar amount to the SAG-AFTRA Foundation Covid-19 relief fund here. https://members.sagfoundation.org/donate 

Now, check it out below, and let us know if you enjoyed the virtual birthday party livestream via the comment section.

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GH Co-Head Writers Chris Van Etten and Dan O’ Connor Interview – “Soapmakers of the Year” Honors 2020

In a year which saw production of your favorite soaps shutdown for several months due to the coronavirus pandemic, everyone in daytime had to pivot.  As original episodes aired, they eventually ran out, giving way to rebroadcasts, while the audience eagerly awaited the return of the current stories.

At General Hospital, once production resumed over the summer, head writers, Chris Van Etten and Dan O’ Connor had teed-up: surprising homecomings (Dante, Britt) shocking twists and revelations, the conclusion of what will become an all-time soap classic, the Alzheimer’s storyline, dipping into the rich 57-year history of the iconic soap to tie story to the present (Laura, Cyrus, Martin), and crafting stories for its A-list cast which gave 2020 some of its finest on-screen moments.  GH became can’t-miss television again, coming back even stronger than its pre-pandemic self; which also kicked the year off in high-style with the reveal of Nikolas to his family, alive and well, and the long-awaited truth about baby Wiley.

Chris and Dan’s depiction of Mike’s heartbreaking battle with Alzheimer’s gave viewers many tears through its unrelenting and realistic storytelling, plus their commitment to air the standalone episode to honor the passing of the 19th amendment of the women’s right to vote in November.  Both were noteworthy, and illustrated what daytime can do best.

 

Each year, Michael Fairman TV gives our highest honor to a creative or creatives who most delivered to its audience and whose quality of work continues to keep us engaged, on the edge of our seats, or reaching for the hankies. That is why this year’s Soapmkers of the Year honor goes to GH scribes: Chris Van Etten and Dan O’Connor.  Shortly after receiving their acknowledgement, the duo spoke to us about some of the 2020 highlights in Port Charles, and how they work so well together to bring their stories to life.  Here’s what they shared.

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First, and foremost, I want to commend you for the Alzheimer’s storyline  As I’ve shared publicly, my mother died of Alzheimer’s, and I have seen the progression of this disease and the effects it has on a family and loved ones, and the person afflicted with it.  You did a beautiful job of telling every beat of the story within the context of what you could do within a soap opera.  What can you tell me about crafting that and seeing it through to the end?  You never abandoned the story, which at times, can happen on daytime.

CHRISNo, we didn’t abandon it.  Soap operas have a power that I am sure we have acknowledged before, to allow audiences to really get to know characters in a deeper and more profound way than I think most other mediums do.  We get to see characters’ lives day in and day out.  For us to tell a story about Alzheimer’s, which is a disease that is devastating in so many ways, not the least of which is the fact that it can take years to develop and years to finally claim a life, we felt that among our audience, there had to be many people who had experienced this in an up-close and personal way.  So that to tell the story too expeditiously would really deny their experience and would take away from their appreciation of the show as a reflection of reality.  Of course, soap operas don’t do that in every sense on every episode, but when you’re telling a story about a disease that people experience every day, you have an obligation to reflect the real-world experience.  So, by bringing it to a close too fast and by doing it in a way that didn’t honor what at times is the horror of the disease, felt like it would be a cop-out.  We wanted to do our best within the constrictions of the medium to depict that; while at the same time, of course, not wanting to leave people so depressed as to not want to tune back in.  It was a really delicate dance.  We are very grateful to have had the support of the network and Frank Valentini’s (executive producer, GH) ingenious production team as well as a great repertory of actors who were willing and able to give their all to this story.

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Maurice Benard (Sonny) did some of his finest work of his career in this story, and you gave him the ball to do it, and Max Gail (Mike) was amazing.  Two standout episodes included: when Mike passed and was taken to heaven by Courtney (Alicia Leigh Willis) and Mike’s funeral episode.  Did you realize when you were writing it, the impact it would have on the audience?

DANAs for the funeral, I’d say that we knew as we were writing it that not only did we want to give the characters and the audience a chance to say goodbye to Mike, but we also wanted to give the performers a chance to say a goodbye to their relationship with the actor, Max Gail as well.  Max is a fantastic, phenomenal actor, and he formed close relationships with many of our performers.  So, when we wrote the episode, yes, we did want to give the audience a chance to say goodbye to the character, but we also knew that because of the close relationships that these performers have made with each other that the actors were going to bring their all, and it was going to provide the audience with some powerhouse performances.

Did you get emotional seeing it? 

CHRIS:  Oh, personally, I cried.

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I know you both love and appreciate the soap genre and understand that the audience often wants a good cry and is invested in these characters.  So because of that; what’s it like for you when you see these emotional moments play out that start in your mind, go to the page, then to the stage, and now are out in the world for people to see and experience?

CHRIS:  I can’t speak for any of the other writers, but I’m not crying when I’m writing it, but I’m crying when I see it realized and how the actors, and the producers, and the directors realize it.  I personally am always surprised by the nuance and the beats that they find that we, in our first draft kind-of-lifestyle that we have as soap opera writers; where we are writing six or seven episodes per week, we don’t have the time or the luxury to really sit with an episode and mine it for every single beat and every emotion. That’s why we have great directors and great actors who take these scripts and find these extra moments.  So, it is really gratifying to watch – yes, to see something that we’ve imagined be produced and personified, but then to see how the production then takes it in other directions, that’s the best.  I think that’s the most gratifying part of writing for a show, not seeing what you’ve written produced, but seeing how it was parented into life.  When you have a baby, I think you have all sorts of ideas about what the baby will be, and then the baby becomes something else as the result of its environment and of the people who are influencing and guiding it along and that may be a bit of a stretched metaphor, but it kind of feels relative.

As co-head writers of General Hospital, how do you work together to come up with long-term story?  What is your process?

DAN:  Chris and I will meet regularly and discuss the long-term stories that we are telling, and plan to tell, and maybe some adjustments that we have to make along the way.  We get to meet with our writers several days every week as we figure out the best way to tell that story in the form of however many episodes we write a week.  Chris and I also write episodes along with our great breakdown script team, and every week we figure out the best way to either stay on the path of the story we are intending to tell, or find new opportunities or new twists and turns we can take along the way.

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Do you get into friendly, creative disagreements? Is one of you more protective of a certain character than the other? 

DAN:  Chris and I have known each other for close to 15 years at this point, and we are not just colleagues, we are also friends.  There is a certain amount of shorthand that we have with each other which is just invaluable in telling story.  What’s great is that we sometimes come at the story from different angles or we have a different point of view, much like any two fans of the show wouldn’t agree on necessarily everything, but in our discussions about the show’s needs, wants, and haves, and the story trajectory, we ultimately get somewhere better than where either of us could have come up with on our own.  At the same time, there are those moments where we both come to the same idea at the same moment, and that’s definitely when we go, “Okay, we’re onto something good.”

CHRIS:  I can add as a partial translation that I can get really snippy, and Dan has the patience of a saint.  So, often times, I need 24 hours to go away, and sleep on something, and wake up, and say, “Oh Dan, you were totally right about that.  I’m so sorry I was snippy the other day,” and he doesn’t seem to hold it against me.

Do you ever get a writer’s block; as has to happen often with scribes in the unrelenting medium of daytime drama, and if so, I would think having a writing partner would be an asset during those times?

DAN:  I think it’s the nature of the beast.  At a certain point, you might hit a roadblock somewhere, but that’s why having a partner is so valuable that there is somebody else that you can bounce ideas along with, and just as, if not more importantly, our team of writers are always there to sometimes give us even better ideas than what we would have come up with on our own.

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This year you utilized and delved back into a lot of GH history.  How did the idea come about to bring back the character of Jackie Templeton and have former All My Children and NYPD Blue favorite, Kim Delaney, take on the role?

DAN:  Jackie Templeton is a character who has been an Easter egg on the show for many years now.  Whenever we needed to namedrop a famous journalist, she was always our go-to.  It always felt like the character was in the ether of Port Charles for awhile, and we were excited to bring this take-no-prisoners character back and explore her history with Robert (Tristan Rogers), and at the same time, we were finally teed up to tell the story of Finn’s (Michael Easton) falling out with his father and step-mother, and we realized we had a great opportunity to have the character serve both stories and collide with not just Anna (Finola Hughes) and Finn, but Robert as well. Those three played wonderfully with each other. When we heard that Kim Delaney was interested in playing with us, we were just over the moon.  .

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You have also been delving back into Laura’s childhood past and her history. I love that you brought up the death of David Hamilton and her teenage years, which hasn’t been discussed for a very long time on the show while tying it into the present.

DAN:  We were always aware of the story just because we love General Hospital and we love the character of Laura, and there is nothing else like daytime drama, and one of the great things about it is that you can reach decades into the past and expand on stories and themes that the audience actually witnessed. Long reaching history is a tool in our toolbox that not many other series have.  Chris and I love honoring and using our characters’ histories to propel the show into the future with some serious momentum.

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You created and brought the character of  Cyrus Renault (Jeff Kober) on to the canvas. Was it originally a case of, “We need an uber-villain to come and shake things up,” and then you decided to connect him to Laura?  It’s been an intriguing shocker for viewers.  Jeff is playing the multi-levels of Cyrus with great finesse, and whenever you give Genie something, the fans go nuts, and she, in turn, delivers every time.

CHRIS:  The story of Cyrus has a couple of phases to it.  We wanted to bring on a villain who would not only be an adversary to Sonny, but someone who we could use to really test Jordan (Briana Nicole Henry) and Curtis (Donnell Turner), and we knew going in that the first phase of this story would really hit the Corinthos family and also the Ashfords, and as we developed it, we thought about what the act two would be, and we knew that we had an opportunity to really engage Genie Francis and to expand her sphere and expand her footprint on the show, and by connecting her to Cyrus, who is not your typical face or presence for a soap, but is also not your typical person who I think Laura would encounter in her daily life.  So, we knew, as we really developed Cyrus as a villain, that for Laura to find out that this man is her brother, would really allow us to play with Laura in a different context and in a different light and really give Genie a new kind of challenge.

Speaking of Genie, what did you think when you watched back her performance in the episode where you wrote that Laura has to say goodbye to her comatose daughter, Lulu (Emme Rylan), before she was sent off the canvas to a long-term care facility?

CHRIS:  I mean to me, that’s vintage Laura.  I came to General Hospital personally in the late 80s to early 90s, so my experience of Laura really only begins with her, and Luke (Tony Geary), and Lucky (Jonathan Jackson) at the Triple L Diner.  I think that what we’ve gotten to see with Genie is really reflective of the high emotion that she is capable of delivering.  At the same time as the high emotion, you’re also seeing really small human moments that she really breathes a lot of life into.  I can speak for Dan and myself when we say that we are just really thrilled with what she has been able to bring to the screen.  Thrilled, but I guess not surprised.

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Nelle (Chloe Lanier) was such a great interloper and threat throughout the year in story; whether it’s hatching plots to gain custody of baby Wiley, or her “death” scene and confrontations with Carly (Laura Wright).  However, through all of this, when was it decided to make Nina (Cynthia Watros), Nelle’s biological mother?

DAN:  There are very few things that are as exciting on a soap as a character that makes you wonder what they are going to do next, and Chloe and Nelle provided that role with just gusto.  The truth is, the idea that Nelle was Nina’s daughter has been a part of the conception of that character, and over the last few years, the story evolved, and we ultimately got to reveal the truth to the audience.

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As writers, there has to be characters that are just so delicious and treacherous to write for that you have to get a kick out of it! Chloe Lanier is so good that she makes the audience want to slap Nelle when she takes the dialog and then brings it to the screen.  

CHRIS:  It is tremendous fun.  Yes, yes, we love writing for these characters who are willing to do and say anything to get what they want.  We are constrained when writing for characters who have morality.  It takes a moral character a lot of really difficult circumstances for them to make a decision that might go against the grain, but when you have a character like Nelle, who is not shackled by certain societal norms, then you really get to live out the worst impulses that a person could have, and it’s really fun, especially when you take a really great performer like Chloe and see her as Nelle unleash all of the poison that she’s capable of.  At the same time, she can turn on a dime and rip your heart out a little bit when she turns on the water works.

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Ava Jerome’s (Maura West) story this year had her moving into a relationship with Nikolas (Marcus Coloma).  We, the audience, didn’t know how that was going to go – if they were just going to use each other, or ultimately fall in love.  Was that the plan all along … that they would develop deep feelings for each other, or did you want to see how it progressed and played out on-screen, and then make that determination?

CHRIS:  I think that once we saw the chemistry between the two actors, we knew we had gold. So, we wanted to take our time, especially the way that it was constructed.  These were two people who had little use for each other emotionally, and in fact, probably wanted to see one another’s downfall, and that’s what makes it so great to write – that these are people who, in a similar vein as Nelle, don’t live by the same rules as most of the rest of us, and therefore, they might do things to each other that the rest of us would not do to anyone let alone whether we like them or not.  That’s what makes Ava and Nikolas so delicious is that from one moment to the next, you don’t know if they’re going to hatch a plot against each other or fall into bed and ravish each other. That’s what I think we hope to continue to play as we go forward because they certainly have very strong, passionate feelings for one another.  When you’re talking about Ava and Nikolas, these are two people who do not have a lot of fans necessarily in Port Charles, and there are a lot of people who don’t necessarily want to see them achieve happily ever after.  Knowing that there was so much initial mistrust and suspicion between the two of them could really provide the foundation for their own undoing or their undoing from someone who does not want to see them happy.

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Back in November, GH made good use of a standalone episode spotlighting the history of the women’s right to vote and the suffrage movement; just as the presidential election was happening.  What made you decide to write this special show, and how do you feel it turned out as it also spotlighted the female cast?

CHRIS:  We had long intended to honor the one hundred years of American women’s suffrage with a special episode to air on the anniversary of the 19th amendment’s passage, but we missed the date due to the pause in production.  We realized we had a second chance as the election neared.  Going forward was a no-brainer. The biggest challenge was in distilling such an epic story into one episode. We think ABC would do well to consider a spinoff: “Port Charles, 1920”

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You have such a powerhouse cast to write for.  It’s loaded.  It’s got to be a challenge for you to construct the story for GH when you’ve got to front burner people and back burner people, and then you’ve got these huge daytime stars all in one show.

DAN:  It’s an embarrassment of riches to have a cast as talented as we do quite frankly.  We are fortunate enough that we know that we have these amazing performers that we can trust with whatever stories that we throw their way.

CHRIS:  I will say that we do have a great cast.  They’re all wonderful, and when you have a show that is only approximately 35 minutes of airtime on any day, it’s a real balancing act to make sure that everybody gets a story that really is worthy of their talents, and we’ve got one for everybody.  Sometimes it’s just a matter of which story takes precedence in which moment, which is why occasionally some characters aren’t featured on a daily basis, but you can bet your bottom dollar that they will be.  If you were to ask me, “Who are the standouts?”  I would say all of them.  You saw this year: Maurice Benard, Nancy Lee Grahn (Alexis), Maura West, Genie Francis, and Laura Wright (Carly) to name but just a few.  They’ve all done such fantastic work, and we can’t wait to give them more material to give them more moments to shine.

DAN:  A priority of ours is every week, we meet up and look (well, it’s virtual now during Covid-19) at the big board of our cast photos and we go through each character and always make sure that they have some story percolating even if it’s not on the air at the moment.

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As we close out 2020, and look forward to 2021, any parting thoughts, and perhaps a tease of what GH fans can look forward to in the New Year?

CHRIS:  In general, I would just say that despite all of the challenges of the year, we are really grateful to our cast and the crew back in Los Angeles for realizing and improving the show that we imagined, and we are so excited for everything that is coming in 2021.  We hope to continue to throw a lot of surprises at the audience, and at the same time give them a lot of moments and stories of heart and love and excitement.

So, what did you think of the year in story on General Hospital in 2020? Share your thoughts on Chris and Dan’s comments and their year-end honors via the comment section below.

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